It should be much better.
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I honestly don't believe in this much improvement over 9**M series. Or it will be for 4k specifically. Why would someone need increased memory bandwidth if it is already sufficient?
With Skylake CPUs on 14 nm we barely see any improvement aside of temperature drops, so why should it be much different for GPUs?
I'm most likely missing something, but my guess is if we ever see a 100% jump or something, it is for 4k, for FHD it will be less spectacular.jaybee83 likes this. -
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In the case of my M18 R2, it came with an i7-3720QM. I bought an i7-3940XM and didn't install it for a couple of months because I didn't see 100% utilization of the CPU. When I finally did install the i7-3940XM I saw a 20 fps jump in Mechwarrior Online. I didn't do any formal testing of this as it wasn't expected. I simply dropped in the faster processor. Neither CPU has been overclocked.
I have also noticed that when running multiple VMs and other memory intensive applications with the CPU loaded up to about 70% the machine gets sluggish. Taking into consideration that at that time I had 32GB RAM and 21GB was in use. My theory in regards to gaming: The idea that CPU performance isn't important because CPUs are fast enough simply isn't true.
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Look at the leap from GTX 580m at 40nm vs GTX 680m at 28nm... resulted in a solid 60-70% improvement at 1080p, and architecture change at 28nm from Kepler 880m to Maxwell 980m resulted in another 50% improvement.jaybee83, TomJGX, hmscott and 1 other person like this. -
Theres more Cache in the XM for example. I wonder if things like that influenced the difference.
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That said. As long as my 970m is bottlenecking GW2, I get the same FPS regardless of running the 970m @4.2 or 3.0deadsmiley likes this. -
There is a noticeable fps drop for everything weaker than 6700k, and that's for a single Titan X. In my book, it's a bottleneck, and this means that any stronger GPU will be hindered even worse.deadsmiley likes this. -
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That's not a bottleneck in that video. Skylake holds clock speeds more consistently resulting in a higher overall FPS. In other words, the newer technology is better at performing tasks. But that's not a bottleneck. It's just a "missing feature."
This is exactly what we expect to happen when new hardware comes out. That doesn't mean old hardware is a bottleneck. It just means new hardware is more efficient as Skylake communicates with the motherboard much faster because of the socket type.TomJGX and Omnomberry like this. -
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If NVidia revamps their drivers with full DX12 features, then I won't upgrade to Pascal next year. But if they don't, they I'll probably get Pascal.
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this thread is a 67 pages long so i just need the answer to particular qeustions
1 - i have the msi gt70 dominator originally equipped with the 870m . i managed to upgrade it to the 980m 8 gb . what is the probability of seeing pascal mobile gpu's with mxm slot and the same size as the 870m/970m/980m so we would be able to upgrade our laptops ? because the new 980 laptop version's size is ridiculous
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I'm hoping for that much. That's what my earliest predictions were. But I fear NVIDIA will intentionally dial it back so it's much weaker than the desktop 1080, all so they can put the desktop 1080 in a laptop (again) and still outperform the 1080M by a good 30%.
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So - at what point will these cards be doing 4k @ 60fps? Because after watching the below - I'm tempted to hold off on upgrading anything until I can do this
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Unless AMD brings out a 500-600mm2 die in arctic islands, there is almost no chance we will see GP100 outside of Tesla before the year end. Nvidia is using mostly kepler for their high end teslas. Maxwell was completely useless in terms of FP64, its a pure gaming arch. The professional markets pays a lot more then we do.Last edited: Dec 1, 2015 -
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But dint Nvidia say that pascal will have 10x performance of Maxwell.
So if we are getting 120FPS shouldn't we get 1200FPS. Too bad its still too less. I want at least 9000.
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One of the reasons why Maxwell is better than Kepler, why GTX 980M is faster than GTX 880M, is because the Maxwell dies are huge. Nvidia built these monsters to get more room for more cores and to have additional products to sell since we have been stuck at 28nm (like Kepler was) since 2012.
So these huge dies consist of a a lot of silicon which cost Nvidia money. So you can bet Nvidia will want to go down in size again with Pascal. Especially since 16nm FinFET silicon cost more than 28nm silicon.
So what happens when GP104 is reverted back to 300mm2 die again? You lose a lot of silicon area where they would normally cram in more transistors and cores.
GTX 980 vs Pascal mobile might be 400mm2 vs 300mm2. Not 400mm2 vs 400mm2.
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GDDR5X hasn't been confirmed to be be the only memory available for mobile GPU's during 2016. That's what I'm most interested in knowing at this point. Hopefully CES will shed some light on GDDR5X. If they go with GDDR5X for 2016 instead of HBM, we'll most likely see less overall performance gains over Maxwell.
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any chance they release pascal gpu's in march/april???i wanna gift myself a present for fiishing college with some good rig hahah
definetly looking to buy something similar power of 970gtx or a bit better with more vram(desktop)
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The GTX 965M was released in January of this year. It's possible we'll see some low-end mobile GPU's early, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Computex 2016 is most likely the official launch for mobile. They've reserved a big booth there and have listed multiple products for presentation.
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Not surprised, and I don't care about those rebrands. This is a Pascal discussion thread.
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If Nvidia can reduce silicon cost while still netting sales from customers, they will cut down on size.
50-60% gain over GTX 980Ti is more than enough for them to wow the community, and that can be done with a smaller die.
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+50% compared to a desktop 980 Ti is just ridiculous for the mobile flagship
never gonna happen...
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