Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

that might mean a system upgrade!

 

Corrected that for you

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-trouble/
Well then...

 

I'm not surprised. Last thing I heard, heat was a big issue with Pascal but I bet nVidia will just release another fireball first time around.

 

No Nvidia Pascal at CES 2016, but AMD was giving some demos of Polaris:


Polaris Demo + HDR Demo

 

Ah, that's interesting, I'm pretty sure we've used that pic of the board a week or so ago to conclude at the time that Pascal would be MXM and have the same chip layout as 980M - but all along it was a pic showing 980M - I guess we have to scrub those previous conclusions! @Cloudfire , I think it was you that posted a pic or similar pic, so maybe we have to rethink our conclusions?

 

Is it just me or did CES seem a bit underwhelming this year?

 

true that, so far nothing that really made me squeal like a little girl in anticipation

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Heh you might've been onto something there.

Source: http://videocardz.com/58101/nvidia-gp104-and-first-polaris-gpu-supposedly-spotted-on-zauba

So nVidia might also follow in the footsteps of AMD and use an AIO for desktop Pascal. It'll be fun seeing how many people flip flop and suddenly think this is the best thing ever, when they blasted AMD for slapping on an AIO on Fury X heh. (talking about desktop "enthusiast forums", NBR excepted of course )

 

This is interesting! There could be quite the turn around for AMD this year.

Nvidia's credibility is finally seeing some damage. It is about time considering they are happy to lie to customers and not listen to their needs at all.

I think we all remember the no overclocking driver fiasco!

 

If it is delayed, then early adopters of even mid-range GPU's like 860m will get their money's worth. It's been basically two years, and probably another at least six months, probably nine months before mid-range Pascal will be released. And even 970m/980m users will get at least a full two years being king.

Problem is unless AMD can perform better than 980m at same TDP they still will have a hard time convincing users to go with AMD on the mobile platform. The problem is games requirements will keep trudging forward, where mobile tech will stagnate. Here's to hoping AMD pulls out all the stops and makes significant ground on Nvidia.

 

By "new" Alienwares, you mean the 2015 ones that have soldered components? Or anything past 2012?

Either way, a BIOS issue will present. That's what I was getting at. Not physical installation problems.

 

The M15x of course so anything past 2009.

It is not with happiness I say this. Even legendary laptops like the M17x R2 and M18x R2 have difficulty upgrading to certain cards.

Why couldn't Alienware replicate the M15x compatibility across all their systems? I guess M15x was a mistake

 

I'd happily still have my r2 to this day had it played as nice with Maxwell as the m15x did. You m15x folk got some sweet longevity there.

 

I would have kept my M15x if it wasn't for the weak CPU compared to sandy bridge and lack of SATA III

I'm working to try to retrofit proper VGA support to the M18x R1 but it seems very difficulty to do. Only hope is AMD or revised nVidia cards.

 

LOL

 

I certainly hope not. The GTX 860M already gets half rekt by newer games (read: Witcher 3)... I think a repeat of 2014 is in order, going by Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell: an April release of GP1xx, and a November release of GP2xx, and a release the following year of GP200.

Likewise. Nvidia hasn't had much competition, if at all... Like Intel in the CPU market. I hope AMD does something about its mobile division... Milking GCN for so long can only bring them so far.

 

Polaris is a step in the right direction, at least they're taking note that people care about efficiency now.

 

We finally get some news and it isn't great. Bummer.

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Let's be realistic here... These articles are exaggerating and creating drama. Since when do GPU's in vehicles determine the launch schedule of gaming GPU's? This is two entirely different sectors; two entirely different markets. Consumer grade GPU's have nothing to do with GPU's in vehicles.

If the articles said Quadro was delayed, then it is likely GeForce cards are also delayed. So, what am I saying? We still don't know (w/100% certainty). But, if history serves us well, Computex and E3 is a very common time for new GPU platforms/architectures to be launched.

P.S. It still seems more likely that desktop will launch first, as usual. A lot can happen in six months.

 

All I'm gonna say is, listen to Ethrem, man has connections and knows stuff.

 

More Pascal news:

http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...gpus.will.be.smaller.and.more.dense/76538.htm

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-gpu-analysis/

The first one suggests they won't have HBM in the first of Pascal GPU's because of the size. Not sure if it was referring to mobile or desktop, but I can believe it for mobile. That's what we've been expecting for a while now.

 

"Nvidia is scheduled to release a new set of Graphics cards sometime in the end of 2016, so users will be hearing pretty soon on more official news from the company."

 

I doubt it will be that long, but anything is possible. Maybe they are referring to mobile HBM. My guess is that desktop will see HBM around June. Mobile will launch soon after with GDDR5X, until the end of the year or early 2017, at which time we will start to see the first mobile HBM chips.

EDIT: There was a rumor going around that HBM2 was delayed (again).

 

I can live with that


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Isn't GDDR5X still about 2x the speed of normal GDDR5 or was it double the bandwidth?

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Still sounds pretty good to be honest. Hopefully doesn't come at a power cost, needs to be more efficient than GDDR5.

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Had a dream last night that NVIDIA launched in March. Guess my subconscious is more excited about Pascal than my conscious self?

 

Lol, I went from "I want it, I need it" to "do I want to spend the money to update from my 765m" especially since I have been hearing about delays and that apparently it's gonna run super hot.

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i wonder if the R9 M390X is available on MXM?

 

What year?

 

It is.
http://www.zentrica.com/product/amd-radeon-r9-m295x-mxm/
Then get the latest AMD driver. Boom, you have an R9 m390x.

 

If nvidia cant even demo a working MXM pascal chip now, well, its pretty bad in terms of yields. It looks like AMD is targetting late Q3 2016 for polaris, I wouldnt be surprised at a Q4 launch for nvidia.

 

AMD promised mobile GPUs first and they said they are gonna release them before school season begins. May-June seems plausible for Polaris

 

It doesnt when you realize amd have actual working part of polaris on 14nm demo while nvidia was using 980m MXM in place of it during that self driving demo.

 

I meant to write Polaris. I think AMD and Nvidia might be close in releasing their next architectures for mobile while Nvidia will release Pascal desktop GPUs first

I think Nvidia didnt really want to show Pascal die at CES, just show how the whole PX board looks like or something. Not that they dont have them working in their lab. AMD choose to be more transparent and open while Nvidia choose the closed and secret route imo. Thats why AMD could show a demo while Nvidia cant

 

Ah I see. But if you dont want to show you, you dont outright lie about it, just say its a mockup or something. Considering the same thing happened before and nvidia actually had no real working die to present, I feel like its more likely that pascal just aint ready,

 

To be specific - I think high-end Pascal isn't ready, but Pascal itself is. Basically we may see a repeat of Maxwell: GP1XX released in March to fit the GTX 1060 and GTX 1060M, and flagship GP2XX for the GTX 1080 in Q3/Q4 2016.

 

If we are lucky, we will have Pascal for the holidays...

 

Im starting to feel the same.
I used to play on my crappy Radeon HD6770 where maxing out most games was not even possible.
And suddenly Im on a fps trip. I dont know what made me think I have to run every game maxed out at 30+ fps.
Perhaps its just envy from reading threads like the P870 one

 

i want to give it a try but no monies

 

Beg your pardon?
Unless I am mistaken, the articles mention that Nvidia gpu used was a dektop GTX 950, not a 980m.

 

Sorry I meant it as the demo for pascal in CES.

 

Out of curiosity though, how much more powerful in contrast to 950 is the 980m?
To which desktop gpu does the 980m specifically corresponds performance wise?

 

If i'm not mistaken, it is the GTX770.

 

Usually bit below GTX 970: comparison

 

if you go by synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark the 980M scores around the same as a GTX 960 / GTX 770....a bit of OC will obviously score better.

 

Probably more closer to a 970 but I always was running OCed 980ms and they are around 970 performance.

 

Stock clocks, it scores near, if not, 10k gpu score, which is about 15% slower than a GTX970. This is core is higher than GTX770/960. The combined scores are not really representative unless the 980m was used with a desktop CPU, otherwise you would get lower total scores due to mobile CPUs.

Overclocked 980ms have no problem reaching stock 970 scores.

 

though a stock 980M is about 80% of the full desktop 980. with an OC you can get it closer.