Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

As Jaybee said, you can't compare the progression of CPU performance vs GPU performance. CPUs aren't increasing their number of cores by a great amount, we've essentially got 4 core CPUs with hyperthreading, so they're gonna be limited to performance improvement due to architecture alone, whereas GPUs double their number cores/stream processors every 2 years or so.

Oh yes, of course we don't know for sure, but Pascal is supposed to be offering twice the performance per Watt compared to Maxwell according to NVidia - so in relation to my original reply to Georgel it will undoubtedly be faster than the 980 desktop-card-in-a-notebook, and probably twice as fast 980M.

 

Check this out:

I'm too lazy to do the math, but if these specs are accurate, performance will be very much improved. If what NVIDIA claims is true, that a single Pascal core is twice as efficient as Maxwell, then performance gains should be greater than or equal to 100%. The only thing odd is GDDR5. GDDR5 will bottleneck.

 

Posted last week, with some links for description:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-152#post-10221813
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-152#post-10221775

It's not confirmed, but it's interesting

 

Last week I was on vacation without a computer, so didn't see it. Catching up on everything now.

 

Performance doesn not scale linearly with efficiency though. I'm excited for Pascal and sure we'll see big improvements but I don't think we'll see the next flagship **80m with an effective doubling in performance, and that's not taking rumoured heat issues into account or Nvidia's internal milking roadmap.
I hope I'm wrong.

 

I'm expecting the last iteration/generation of Pascal to be twice as fast as 980M, not the first generation (e.g. what 880M/780M was to 680M) - NVidia gotta milk!

 

Yeah, exactly.

 

so would the smaller node allow thinner laptops? better power efficiency? what type of performance should we see with the 1070m? maybe even the 1060m?

im going to build a beast desktop and then get a thin gaming laptop for travel, so hopefully a razer style laptop. just not from razer because i dont want a 14 inch screen.

 

Swear I've answered this before, lol. Maybe even from you.

 

I think power consumption of the GPU has always been roughly the same between architectures, they just increase the performance with each architecture to make use of that improved efficiency. So, if you want a thin and light laptop, then you probably want one of the lower performing GPUs, like the 1070M & 1060M that you mention. Who knows what the comparitive performance will be to Maxwell for each of the models, maybe something like 70/80% better performance for this first iteration of Pascal, which gives them a bit more space to create a second iteration/generation of Pascal later that is maybe twice as fast as the current generation (100% faster).

 

Nvidia has not given 50% between two generations until now, if memory serves me well )

They always say this each two years, and it always is 40% at max between two same code GPUs (GTX780 vs GTX980, both desktop in a good cooled desktop)

 

Well, there is this when comparing 3DMark11 GPU score results (taken from notebookcheck.net):

GTX 580M = 3100
GTX 680M = 6100

That's a 97% increase in performance from one direct generation to the next (subsequent releases).

 

I think people are confused. They think 780M, 880M, and 980M are different architectures (or generations).

580M to 680M was a process change. There has not been one since. The 780M, 880M, 980M are all based on the same process. Pascal introduces the next architectural change - among many other things - which means performance will be substantially higher than a "re-brand" of previous generations.

This is why there has not been any substantial gains since then.

 

Okay, so this means that this change in process might bring that much of a change?

That would be great!

 

Yes that will bring an increase in performance and also a new architecture should in theory mean a jump like that of the 580M to 680M is possible!

 

Then I must get my hands on that thing when it comes out!

Have there been any news lately?

 

Here's a Pascal, spotted in the wild, just last night...

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Oh, that's a beautiful one! Twice as beautiful as this one:



Gesendet von meinem LG-H955 mit Tapatalk

 

HaHaHa. Well jokes aside, this is real Pascal.

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has a passing resemblance to @Prema! maybe a cousin?

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Yeah, that shot was just taken from 'another angle'...

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 To Feature GDDR5X & GP104 Core & Launches In May

 

I didn't want to spend a whole 10 mins listening to that, but I skipped through parts of it (this is why I don't like reports based in YouTube formats, printed word more efficient!) - where are his sources?

 

His source is his cat lol

 

Haha, I didn't watch enough of the video to know if his cat even makes an appearance or not!

 

He mentioned the cat 2 times.

Anyways, we will know for sure in some weeks. My panel broke yesterday and im planning to get a new notebook. Welcome pasqal!

 

Back in those days there were some serious competition from AMD. I expect Nvidia to slip Pascal in at 5-10% above Polaris and save the rest (if any) for rebrands.

 

I am ordering a p870dm-g in the following days and I am so afraid that I might regret doing this due to pascal coming so soon.

But, at the same time, it would make no sense for them to not make these cards mxm compatible. if they should bring enough of an improvement, I would be 90% sure I should be able to upgrade... I mean, apart from gpu, a p870dm-g with 4k auo display should be future proofed for the next few years, no?

 

"supposedly if rumours are accurate"....that overused phrase sums up this video.

Load of crap.

 

Depending on the configuration you are ordering, it could be very expensive to upgrade, so soon after purchasing a new laptop.

IDK what you have to use now, but unless you really need it, now is like the sweatiest time possible to order high dollar last generation hardware.

I would wait for Nvidia's announcements which might come as soon as April 5th at the GPU Technology Conference where the CEO of Nvidia is scheduled to be a keynote speaker:
http://www.gputechconf.com/

The other rumored time is May 31st - June 4th at Computex.

Of course, these are all rumors.

A set of 980m's go for $1500 for SLI, not sure what the 980 goes for, but if/when Pascal is available, those 980m/980's won't be desirable at the price they are worth, so will need to be sold for a steep discount. Or you could keep them as backup's.

And, to make things more confusing, Nvidia just released another Maxwell GPU, the M6000 24GB, a few days ago. An odd thing to do if new Pascal based Professional GPU's are close at hand.

NVIDIA Announces 24GB Quadro M6000
by Ryan Smith on March 22, 2016 9:00 AM EST
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10179/nvidia-announces-24gb-quadro-m6000

We really don't know any more than we did when it was rumored that Pascal might get announced at CES 2016, but 2016 is getting long in the tooth for Pascal to get released this year, so we must be getting close to an announcement

 

There is nothing to regret in owning the P870DM-G. It's one of the most powerful Notebooks atm and of high Quality build. It's future proof for the next 2-3 years at least regardless of Pascal/Polaris! In combination with Premamod (v)Bios there is nothing left to be desired.

Now, get this sucker and be happy!

 

Yeah, I dropped watching that guys stuff a while ago. If you check his video list, he has been saying the same thing for many months.

 

I honestly couldn't care less for the high-end GPUs. How would a 1060M fare with respect to an 860M (GM107)? The 860M averages about 4500 in Fire Strike. Based on what you guys say here, that Pascal's process change and If the 1060M approximately doubles that to 9000 or even breaches the 10K mark, that'd be well in excess of what a GTX 980M does.

 

The 1060M will not double performance. The 60M series never has doubled. The 70M and 80M have the largest gains.

I'd expect the 1060M to have about a 30%-40% increase over the 960M, which is very respectable.

 

While that sounds good on the one hand, if you only want to play the games that run well on a 980m right now, but as soon as Pascal is released the new games will be written to take advantage of the new performance levels, and the 980m will be the 860m of today... you are just staying in the same place, effectively.

 

Sources are probably this thread.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

All good points, apart from your last sentence - I think Pascal is for sure coming this year.

 

That's what I tried to say, we are running out of time, and it's coming out this year, so we must be getting very close to an announcement.

Fixed it

 

I have been using an i7 - 4710HQ CPU + 860M GPU in an Acer VN7-791G. It is a very decent performer, but I plan to get GTX980 + 6700K, which are around 350% - 400% better, if my calculations are correct.

I would so much not want to make a mistake now, but at the same time, my project is progressing with great speed, and I need more processing power for the complicated parts.

This is something I am really looking forward to, actually.

My thinking was pretty similar. Even if Pascal hits, it would not mean that P870 is any weaker, but that there are stronger things.

 

It wouldn't be a mistake if you need it to do work now. There isn't always an optimal series of events that fall in place just so, you have to do what you need to for business and work to keep income flowing.

You will love the P879PM-G with the 980 compared to what you are using now

 

That´d put it right at 980M level. My 980M gets 9600-10100 GPU score in Firestrike stock depending on driver.

 

The 960M in turn is about 10% more powerful than the 860M. Be aware, we're comparing first-gen hardware against each other, so we have to be fair.

I don't mind - there were plenty of great games released in the past two years that I still haven't played, and I'll get to play them at ever-higher specs.

My bad - I thought the 980M was in the 8000s range.

 

That's because they are the same card. The 1060M will not be the same. 960M is literally an overclocked 860M. The 1060M will be Pascal.

Don't confuse a new number or "series" for a new card. They trick consumers into thinking it's all new and shiny when it's just a re-brand.

 

Multiplayer is always best fresh around release, everyone is starting at the same level, and there are more people online playing. Waiting 2 years eliminates a lot of great game play.

Why limit yourself?, save up and get that 1080

 

I detest most multiplayer games (with the exception of War Thunder) - which is why I'm not getting The Division. Great single-player games release once every several years, and there are a fair few of them, so I'll take my time

Of course. But then your comparing the 960M with the hypothetical 1060M is literally comparing an OC 860M with a stock 1060M - still not fair. Stock has to be stock.

 

No sure what you mean. I didn't compare the 860M to anything.

 

What he stated was that the 960M is essentially a rebranded 860M with a higher clock, and that unlike that similarity, the hypothetical 1060M will have an entirely different design process and architecture.

 

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Admiral Ackbar says something else....LOL

 

So... not any more news yet, no?..

It is so itchy having to watch this unfold and wait for it.

I guess that trying to sell a GTX860M laptop, I should do it before Pascal 1060M comes out, or else the price at which I can sell will drop even further, no?

 

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Yeah, that is what I hate most about the newest tech coming out, because we have no idea of when it's going to be out, and we have to wait, and wait, and wait, for it, with the suspense being way too hard to handle.
I really do want Pascal to be out no later than this summer, so I/we can see what advancements have been made to the 980m GPU, as it's true successor for the gaming performance winner.
I am going to wait it out until the Pascal "1080m" is out in what will more than likely be the late fall of 2016, and not waste any money on the Maxwell 980m offering.
From what I have pieced together based on past theoretical performance benchmarks of the 980m, 880m, and 780m, the 1080m looks to be of the same output and performance level of the current 980m Desktop GPU that Nvidia released last fall.
That is roughly what to expect to it, so it's worth waiting 7 more months to get our hands on it.