Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Based on what we saw them announce vs the pontification to that point in this thread, I would not ask and wait for them to release info
Granted at least with this release there's something concrete to base an assumption on. But still, just wait.

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Thank you for that.

I am a bit new, and have only been in this hobby since 880M, so I have to read from what happened in the past to make an idea on how things are.

Okay then, Let's wait to see how skimped the M version is, and if it surpasses GTX980desktop.

 

There's a very good chance the 1080M will perform at the 1070 level. That's how it has almost always been - 980M performs closely to a 970, etc.

This means that the 1080M should be near or better than a Titan X.

 

Oh yeah... Let's hold our horses and wait then

 

I don't see 1080M being at Titan X level, mostly because 1080's efficiency over 980 isn't very good. Also if you look at heir efficiency curves 980 drops off quite a bit at higher TDP while 1080 is mostly flat. What does that mean? It means GP104 loses a lot more performance when you reduce power as 980 doesn't have that much performance to lose at higher TDP. As for 1070 performance faster than Titan X that sounds a bit fishy, the 1080 is only 20% faster at best and it has 8.87 Tflops of SP performance while 1070 has only 6.5, that's nearly a 37% performance delta and it has weak memory bandwidth so how in the world can it outperform a Titan X. As for 1080M performance desktop 1070 is 150W+ so there is gona be another 15-20% gap between the 1080M and 1070, even at 125W TDP. I would say it will be 50% faster than 980M when not bandwidth starved, 60% at best in rare cases.

 

So this video almost made me loose my coffee right at the start...

 

Lol Logan saying "This river is about knee deep, so that's all I expect for the performance increase." Turns out he was right.

 

The last part of that video when they're chatting about the performance after the event has finished, that was a real snore fest, they seemed impressed but I don't think they've really looked at the numbers like I did earlier - I mean it's only 65% more performance per Watt than Maxwell, and that's on a new architecture and also after 2 node shrinks all the way down from 28nm->20nm->16nm - when it's looked in that context 65% is not impressive.

 

1080m will definitely be Titan x performance. Possibly more. I promise that. Plus Jen loves his hype trains and I can just imagine him yelling " Titan x in a laptop!!" And the crowd going crazy.

 

if that happens, even I might be forced not to buy Polaris... AMD better come up with a GTX1080 killer when they release Polaris or they will be royally screwed!

 

I'm not sure why you think 1080M is gonna definitely be Titan X performance when the desktop 1080 is only 20% faster than Titan X, it might be close to Titan X, but I doubt more.

 

I'll skip this round, currently running a 390x and performance is great still. The Ti version might be something to look forward to down the road... and still hoping AMD releases something competitive.

Curious to see where mobile versions land.

 

Biggest question mark is on whether we get the full GTX 1070, or a chopped down derivative.

Even I will upgrade my GT72's GPU, if it's the full bore 1070. Nvidia pls!

 

I guess they'll just reserve it and milk us with the cut down 1070 GP104-200, finally If we see the light they may give us GP104-400 with similar cycle, It's NGreedia, 3-5 times milking !! GP100 is not happening at all unless Vega pans out and rekts the 1080 GTX, Polaris can't and wont beat the GTX 1080 from the exlc. ars interview they summarized that Polaris will be a midrange GPU, Still I'm positive with AMD.

Also from the analysis here the 1080M beating the TitanX seems not possible unless we see a real benching with the GTX 1080, even the GP104-400 is just a bit faster how can we expect the cut down GP104-200 beat the TitanX, also considering the TDP vs Perf/watt ?

All my hopes are on AMD and their Polaris / Vega if they get this, Nvidia might give us a full GP104 atleast on mobile like the GTX 980 mobile chipset types..and there will be real competition, maybe we can expect some real better work in drivers and no gimping mess from both AMD and Ngreedia.

Finally I guess we can forget about HBM2 making into mobile realm, the redesign of heatsinks and R&D takes much more cash investment & less milking, they'll go G5X until Navi / Volta come..

 

I meant definitely better than Titan x when over clocked, no doubt about it. Pascal over clocks better

I'm using going by nvidias trend in closing the gap. 1080m should be closer than 1080 than 980m was to 980. 980m was pretty much a 970 desktop. 1080m should be even closer to a 1070 desktop, which is already faster than Titan x. Give or take 5 percent performance. Then pascal overclocking better than maxwell, a slight and easy over clock will put it on par or faster than the Titan x. Only thing I don't know about is the VRAM. Idk if it'll stay at 8gb or they will bump it up to screw with people again. Also pascal is a shrink and has better power efficiency which is a win for laptops.

I'm not going to get the 1080m though. I'm jumping ship to desktops. Biggest thing I'm interested in is how well the 1070m will perform or even the 1060m. Carrying around a 10 pounds thick laptop isn't worth it to me. Curious to thinner gaming laptops with more power and also more battery life. I'd estimate the 1070m being slightly faster than the desktop 980. Maybe stock. Maybe over clock.

 

There may very well be special edition mobile cards as well (e.g. Founders Edition).

Pascal cards do overclock INSANELY, according to the videos I saw. LinusTechTips is reporting 1600~ Mhz base clock, 1700~ Mhz boost clock, and then overclocking to a stable 2000+ Mhz, which is incredible. Seems like these cards are going to run much better than any of us had anticipated, and may be a true enthusiast generation.

They're keeping the lid closed tight on this generation. No new benchmarks leaked yet!

 

Well, I'd still be surprised.

 

Don't really believe it will beat the Titan X, but I do believe it will match whatever the 1070 has to offer, and maybe give a little more.

All depends on the 1070.

 

Do we have any info regarding the die size of 1080? I looked at Nvidia page but couldn't find any.

Also i do not think that AMD will try to compete with Nvidia for the top performance crown at the moment. To me it seems like that AMD policy is to corner Nvidia into into the top performance area while they themselves focus on mainstream market (likes of GTX 1060) for the time being.

They know that due to their dominance in consoles, they will take over the performance crown in PC as well as developer become more and more lazy to optimize the game for PC and anomalies like hitman and quantum break, where AMD performs unexpectedly better than their Nvidia counterpart will become more and more common.

AMD has played their game very well so far. Their major problem was their driver support because games were based on gameworks. But with directx 12, they have pushed most of the work to the game developers and with their GPU architecture its alot easier to come up with game ready drivers for directx 12. Mantle was a masterstroke on their part.

 

If it's a full 1070, it will match/beat the Titan-X at 1070 clocks. It's that simple.

 

I wonder how much time until all of us are bored and they will come again screaming "Look, here is benchmarks!"

I wish they would push everything a bit faster.

Not anything else, but they already declared they won't sell much more 980, they personally destroyed any chance a good knowing man will be seeking a 980.

I am still pondering why Acer is still producing and just releasing GTX980Desktop in a laptop at this moment. They seem way late to the party this time. Well, They were never very early, nor very there, but they were cheaper, and maybe a bit more reliable in my experience than asuu,

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-doom-vulkan-api/

 

The performance increased at 4K - http://wccftech.com/heres-how-nvidias-simultaneous-multi-projection-can-benefit-4k-gaming/

 

If the 1080m comes out, what are the chances it will be compatible to Sager NP9377?

 

I asked sager this before I sent my 9870s back for a refund yesterday , they said they have no clue. The cost will be phenomenal and I'm sure they will have a new model out (he hinted at a new model mid end of summer )

 

Who knows with Clevo, they tend to hang people out to dry. rarely plug and play with new GPUs.

But Prima usually picks up the slack.

 

You mean Prema I guess? Are you drunk by any chance Kevin?

 

Unlikely to be upgradeable - at least not plug and play. Not only physically but with firmware as well (VBIOS).

Can't know for sure but I wouldn't count on it.

 

Has the day finally come where we can play 1080p @ 120Hz (120FPS) on the highest settings in games?!

 

GTX 1070 is 150W with monstrously high clocks. It should fit.

Nope, not drunk at all *burp*

Physically? Why not, if it's still MXM 3.0?

 

I hope I didn't return my sager to find out I will need to wait months and months for pascal mobile, im already bored out of my mind. My laptop is at the local fedex shop till Monday , I keep thinking to go back and grab it and just stick with 980m sli for a year or two.....:0 trying to practice patience

 

I can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel to buy a new laptop. I am thinking to retire my G73JH since the time of 780m.

When 880m came up, I was put off by all the thermal issues. 980m was a golden time to upgrade because it offered substantial performance upgrade and also because my son broke my laptop screen. But unfortunately financially I was not in position to buy a new laptop. So i just fixed the screen. By the time I had money, 980m was already 1 year old. So i decided to wait out till pascal. Which took forever. Hopefully i wont have to wait till volta.

During all this my trusty G73JH has served me very well. I am surprised how well it has performed. I could never have imagined it to have last almost 6.5 years!

 

Clevo cards should be a drop in upgrade as long as they are standard MXM cards. Clevo implemented true MXM support in the SM and beyond. My SM-A was running its 980Ms on a system BIOS that didn't support them (card was read as Unknown) for months because Sager didn't bother to flash the system and when I had a soft brick of my 880Ms, I stuck an old 260M in and the system successfully passed POST with it instead of shutting down, I just had no display because of my 120hz screen. Even Prema was surprised to find out my 260M actually passed POST and went on to boot.

 

I wonder how much faster is the 1080M going to be compared to the dekstop GTX980, considering that the 980 is already 30% faster than the 980M.

 

Was that a single 1080 or SLI? Impressive if it's a single.

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Has to be single , doom doesn't support sli or crossfire. I'm pretty sure it never will too

 

Vulkan supports multi GPU though so who knows.

 

Looks like 3+ multi card is also being dropped with the new bridge.

Sad...

 

I think nvidia is hinting at multi GPU going away. Unless they kick developers in the butt to start coding for sli, I see it going away also. The ONLY way I see it becoming supported in UE4 and DX12 is if consoles also utilized multi GPU architectures, which won't happen. They shifted way too much on the devs to code for sli with dx12. This is why nvidia flaunted how the single 1080 can max out any games with 60+ fps and that it beats Most of their other dual GPU solutions based off maxwell

 

First 3DMark Benchmarks -
http://videocardz.com/59558/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-3dmark-benchmarks

 

Is this a type of sick joke?

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11061015/3dm11/11223371#

 

Its faked.....

 

Or call it a joke. Obviously, HaHa. If the graphics scores had been at this level, would the new graphics been a major disaster for the Greens and Amd would run over Nvidia with aplomb.

 

Doom should be on ID Tech 6, which should support multi-GPU. ID Tech 5 doesn't support SLI.

By the way... this thread exploded a while ago. I'm not reading through it all. Has anybody noticed yet that the GTX 1080 doesn't beat 980 SLI? And isn't 2x perf per watt? And is a $600 USD MIDRANGED video card launched as a flagship? And that the 1070 uses GDDR5 alone, not GDDR5X?

Also, Pascal apparently needs new SLI connectors which improve interconnectivity bandwidth beyond 1GB/s (though to what I don't know), and the connectors are rigid-type only. Non-rigid connectors thus far as not going to be supported... which means mobile either is going to be limited to the old connectors (and thus won't scale as well as desktop would) OR will lack SLI entirely, unless rigid-only connectors was purely considering desktop cards.

 

Yes a few of us addressed it. Pascal is basically Maxwell with some tweaks and a die shrink. 50% of the performance increase can simply be attributed to the boost increase and the CUDA core increase alone. They didn't do anything but put lipstick on a pig.

The 1080 uses the new SLI bridge but I have a feeling that's due to the bandwidth of GDDR5X (and likely will be used for HBM2 as well) I would imagine the 1070 will use the old connector.

For someone like me with a 780 Ti it's worth the upgrade to the 1070 but I'm going to wait and see what Polaris brings to the table.

 

From GeForce.com

 

Thanks for your post, needed the laugh this morning...
Anyway, do you think AMD could potentially challenge Nvidia's lineup? Every single year I try to keep my hopes up but end up being disappointed.
My last ATI card (yes before it was purchased by AMD) was the X800 XT PE... I know they must have had decent GPU's since then but somehow I have been with Nvidia since then...

 

Can they? Without a doubt. 14nm FF is much more mature than TSMC's 16nm FF but AMD seems more interested in mainstream and consoles unfortunately so it's anyone's guess at this point. On the desktop side, Vega will probably steamroll Pascal but they don't seem too interested in high end Polaris.

 

There is a possibility AMD will win the war, even using much crappier hardware, with game devs catering to console gamers (which is dominated by AMD).

 

Yeah that's what I'm waiting to see. Since they secured contracts for three new GPUs (the PS4 Neo, the Nintendo NX, and presumably an Xbox successor), all built around Polaris, AMD will have the advantage of basically every AAA title being made to take advantage of GCN 4.0 and with the huge performance benefits of async compute, I don't think nVidia can muscle them out of it.