Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

After some further consideration, combining both your thoughts, it seems like you are both on to something

The desktop 1080 is 180w TDP and the desktop 1070 is 150w TDP, to meet the desktop performance results of either GPU is going to be outside the reach of many existing designs that previously had a 980m or a 970m.

They won't even get close to handling stock TDP of the 1080 or 1070, they will be woefully unable to cope with that heat dissipation, or provide enough power or cooling to drive them to desktop OC performance levels.

Detuning the 1080 / 1070 to fit the TDP dissipation design envelopes of the various laptop form factors might be a waste of those expensive GPU's, wasted performance and wasted $.

Many 980m/970m slim models may need to consider the 1060 with 100w(?) TDP as the upgrade path for those models - upgrade as in issuing the same model with a new GPU - some will be soldered GPU's in that lower end TDP range.

Hopefully all MXM 970m models will be able to handle a 1070 deep into it's potential performance range - making it worthwhile to use such an expensive GPU, otherwise upgrade with an MXM 1060/1060ti?

The MXM 980m models will have the same issue, whether to spend the $ for an expensive 1080 and make it work as well as can be, or use a cheaper 1070 that fits the power profile more closely - and save some $.

It will be interesting to see how the vendors create MXM upgrade kits for the different models that can be upgraded.

And, how the laptop designs with 980m/970m cope with matching the proper TDP range 1080 / 1070 / 1060 / 1050 GPU's into their new Pascal models.

The laptop makers may be tempted to ship detuned 1080's and 1070's to give them high perceived value, but the benchmarks and game FPS will tell a different story if those GPU selections are mismatched to the laptops capabilities; they won't perform nearly as well as they should compared to full performance desktop results.

Hopefully the laptop designers will take a look at how to provide the full 1080 / 1070 desktop performance in laptop design's that are both attractive while providing enough power and cooling to attain full desktop GPU performance levels.

 

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This. It's mostly just the matter of marketing. We'll get whatever chassis thermals and power supply limits would allow, no matter under which label it would be sold as.

MSI changed their GS60's successor chassis cooling to 3 fans, so that could be a sign of what's to come for Pascal.

Clevo already switched to 3 fans for Maxwell for their lightweight chassis, so they should have enough headroom there.

For "full" GTX 1070/1080 in notebooks, in hindsight notebook GTX 980 now seems like it was a test case.

Already for it there were notebooks with different performance levels depending on how much heat and power their chassis could handle (from thin Aorus X7 DT up to the extremes of Asus GX700 with external water cooler).

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The more interesting question is - when we'll get notebooks with Pascals?

The answer so far seems to be - October 2016 (MSI indicated this, plus rumours from resellers).

Though this should be "notebooks on the shelves" , so there may be some noise earlier (both Nvidia and AMD seems to like making announcements way before real availability).

 

3 fans on gs63? Pics?

 

Check notebookcheck. It's basically the same design as Clevo has in their P6xx series for a while - single for the CPU, dual in one casing for the GPU and common pipes between the CPU and GPU (the pipes are not visible, so just a guess of mine).

A detuned but still mismatched (in terms of cooling) 1080 laptop could as well perform worse than better matched 1070 machine. Boy, are we going to see some sick and twisted ideas (both good and bad).

 

From here:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-sh...ook-with-unannounced-Nvidia-GPU.167240.0.html

 

Oh that's too bad, was hoping to pick up new P750DM or similar model by August or so. Been waiting a long time!

 

Oh, nice to see.

 

Yeah, they were 4 way 980Tis afterall, I hoped there was some 1080 4x SLI there.

 

Could a combination of pascal gpu & broadwell extreme edition processor for clevo laptop a possibility?

 

lel, the MSI GS63, GPU says it's 970M, prolly there are no laptops running with Pascal chips on mobile end, for now atleast.

 

Possible but very doubtful IMO .. P570WM will most probably the last beast of it's kind from the looks of it...

 

why have everyone ignored it ?

 

What do you mean by everyone? This was discussed over the last 10-12 pages in this thread.

 

Yeah... For the first time, perhaps we now really can see which of these OEM's taking it out completely. Either with a proper TDP lock due to weak cooling (slim design) or the hardware throttles all by itself. Thin slim laptops will more and more be connected by Graphics amplifier. My best bet on this topic...!! Thicker laptops with highest TDP hardware and slimer models connected with Graphics amp and not the best internal hardware.

 

So that watercooled laptop teased by Asus was likely using GTX 1080 (Notebook), correct?

 

thought it was just a rumor

 

For me, I understand the trade-off and welcome it to get a 4lb notebook that can game well. As long as they can keep dumping a ~100w tdp gpu in there that has respectable performance I'll keep buying it. I don't need the extreme top of the line. I'll leave that for people that don't mind larger and heavier notebooks.

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People are being way too supportive of NVidia. When was the last time nVidia did anything that was consumer oriented instead of profit driven only?

 

To be fair they are a business and their goal is to make money.

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I think it's dual 980 but allow 200w

 

I dont really get what's so exiting about droping the "M". I mean its just a naming scheme, until we have confirmation that mobile GPU will exactly have same specs as desktop ones, this news means nothing. I mean if they decided to rename 980m "TITIAN X for laptop", will it change anything.

Even if this is true, I am not too happy about it, because, as much as I like GTX 980, I cant ignore the fact these"desktop cards for laptop" is just another ploy from Nvidia to cash grab. These will be unreasonably expensive. And to be honest I dont confirm to the gimmick of having "Desktop card in Laptop", after all its still not same as desktop card. I will consider this desktop card if i could use it in desktop.

 

They are kinda cagey about it even on the official site (specifications page is basically just empty):

https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-GX800VH/

Their performance claims though would fit more with just GTX 980 SLI (or some SLI Pascal weaker than GTX 1070):

Probably right now it's just GTX 980 SLI, but they try to suggest Pascals will get there once they would be able to go public with that.

 

At least there is a product page now

Asus have changed the product name a bit, from the GX800VG found in the 3dmark11 tests to GX800VH on that product page.

$6000 is a bit high for Maxwell, I think I'd wait for Pascal

 

A $599 GTX 1080?!? MSI GPUs and Mobos @ Computex

 

Yeah, but you as costumer are directly affected from quite the list they made last year alone. If there weren't people buying their stuff, they'll change the tone to more costumer friendly one. In my book it's a good business when you care for the costumer as well, not just the bottom line. The trend is the opposite though, not just for the company in question, and saying that it's sad is a huge understatement. Everyone works hard for their money and it's a shame to receive such treatment in return.

 

Amen. So far I'm on the fence looking for msi titan or clevo used deal or a new alienware 17r3 in ebay....but so far is better wait....and wait...

 

They are a company beholden to shareholders. Who's competing with them heavily driving them to not maximize profits?

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I'm not an AMD fanboy but AMD is definitely giving them a run for their money with the RX480...hopefully.

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OT : What's that MechTag keyboard, in that GX800VH ?
Also do the sound cards on the MSI's with echo sabre and the ASUS sport the best sound cards in laptops vs the P7xx / 870DM's X-Fi soundblaster ?

 

MSI have been known for exceptionally good sound on their laptops

 

This is exactly my point though. We should all expect the worst from this change, not the best. "Razer introduces the first 13 inch notebook to sport the new GTX 1080 GPU!" Of course in reviews it throttles to the point it performs no better than a GTX 980 but nobody is forced to advertise it as inferior and nVidia and Razer make a killing. Don't forget the 7700HQ @ 90C!

 

rofl, and all that coupled with an 8k screen and soldered ram, definitely the new dream machine for @Mr. Fox

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With kabylake ofcourse, so windows 10 only.

I am sure @Mr. Fox would love it....

Seriously though, this 1.25v die limit kinda bothers me. Higher ASIC cards should do better then.

 

Do not destroy day for this man. He may be sick by the idea and can not go to work for 3 weeks . Not good at all!!

 

Watercooled GTX 1080 Seahawk by Corsair & MSI


Corsair's Fastest Video Card (Starts at 2:42) & DDR4

 

It is kind of scary how many CLC designs we are seeing.......

 

Even though one can hit the 120% TDP limit with 0.2V less than that. How much did you want?

 

Water-cooling is what's needed to push Pascal to OC past 2050mhz.

The 1080 is 180w TDP - 15w higher than the 980 at stock, and pushing the clock's up for core/memory brings it even higher.

Raising the power limit to 120% or about 220w, is even above the 980 desktop mobile max of 200w in the P870, so even more cooling is going to be needed to do single and double card SLI in a laptop.

The Asus GX800VH/VG water-cooling is looking like a pretty good idea for desktop Pascal for laptops.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52368...ual-gtx-1080m-sli-4k-120hz-display/index.html

sorry if old news/already posted

 

Asus put up a product page for the GX800VH, not a lot of info, but they do have some info on the keyboard:
https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-GX800VH/overview/

"MechTAG mechanical switch keyboard with ROG Aura RGB LED effects on each key

The MechTAG (Mechanical Tactile Advanced Gaming) keyboard employs tactile switches with a positive, clicking action, and provides a generous 2.2mm of key travel — and that means solid, responsive keystrokes with a great feel. And MechTAG's anti-ghosting technology logs every keystroke, enabling complex input across as many simultaneous keypresses as you need!

The MechTAG keyboard features RGB LED backlighting that can be customized by you. You can tailor the light effects to your own preferences, as well as program colors for individual keys"

 

Do you guys think that Clevo will support 1070-1080 SLI in their biggest laptops?

Was looking to buy P870DM with 980M SLI but will wait for mobile Pascal.

 

Most likely but not for a while. I'd expect late September or early October before available for sale.

 

What about custom aib cards??

 

Lets say 1.05V @ 2050MHz can hit 120% TDP or 1.2 * 180W = 216W

Now lets say you want say 1.35V @ 2500MHz that's (1.35/1.05)^2*2500/2050*216 = 435W !!! (roughly)

I'm just asking if this Is this really what you want?

 

My titan at 1.274v pulls close to 400w, I don't have a problem with it.

OC for lyfe yo

 

Yeah I have no problem with that if I can cool it.

 

Fair enough.