Pidge from Nvidia has asked that user experiencing problems with the 880m list them here..

GTO? What kinda ridiculous designation is that? GTO because it just wants to get the **** out of your case. wut

 

Its Great Teacher Onizuka edition XD

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Lmao. I need sleep.

But yeah, they had GTO and then GTO2. lol. Sounds like an MSI laptop model

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Don't worry. PC building has only gotten easier over the years. Like there was no such thing as AIO's back then. Liquid cooling was reserved for the truly hardcore. You had to go the hardware store and buy non-standard parts and jerry-rig it together yourself. Nowadays, it's pretty much just plug-and-play, like Legos. The real challenge is knowing what components to buy in the first place. After that, assembling it is a walk in the park.

Yeah those were the days. I have a 6950, but since it's a non-reference design, I can't flash it to a 6970 like the reference ones can. More recently, some R9 290 cards could be BIOS flashed to become 290X, and I'm sure there have been many others in the red team's history that could be unlocked in a similar manner. Ever notice how it's only ATi/AMD cards that can do this?

It's another car abbreviation which GPU makers love to use to suggest that their cards are "fast."

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I didn't realize there was a recent AMD card that could be flashed. Interesting.

I never really got the GTO thing, it was launched as a mid range card and not all of them could be flashed, mostly just the Sapphire and a few HIS cards.

And we didn't need water cooling... Until Haswell.

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Hey, a mid-range card that could be flashed to a top-of-the-line card costing 2x as much? I ain't complaining. "Hey AMD, let me turn my 7950 into a 290X. Kapeesh? Kthnxbai."

I think we needed water cooling with Pentium 4 Prescott and Pentium D, or at least I did. And let's not forget AMD's shall-not-be-named 220W chip. :laugh:

 

I agree, AMD reference boards are extremely durable. I still remember the GTX 570 fiasco and the grossly underspecced explosive VRMS. Apparently, Titans and stock GK110 cards don't have fantastic VRMs either as the guys who have used the Sk3net BIOS have found out the hard way.
The AMD Tahiti and Hawaii cards are built like total tanks, hell the VRMs are extremely expensive heat resistant metallic packaged models, shame they had to try to abuse thermodynamics in order to squeeze more cooling out of the anemic Tahiti blower design.

 

OMG Prescott. When I first read about its TDP I was like "this thing is HOW MANY WATTS?!". I remember when Intel finally released the 4GHz Prescott I was thinking "you had their last hurrah, let P4 die in peace now". But then Cedar Mill showed up, and I was just like

I still can't believe we had 115W TDP single core chips back in those days. I wonder how people ever managed to cool them, or maybe this was when "I'll just run it at 70+C 24/7" was still <del>fashionable</del> tolerable

 

There was never a 4 GHz Pentium 4. They stopped at 3.8 GHz, thank god. Intel didn't break the 4 GHz barrier until the i7-4790K.

And yeah, they were super hot. I remember idling in the 50's (60's during the summer) with the Intel stock cooler and default fan speed.

 

I didn't have Pentium chips back in the day, I was team AMD until Core series so I never had to deal with the Pentium 4 mess. I know they were hot though, my dad had them in his machine until I built my Athlon machine and he got jealous.

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Yeah AMD was the shiz back then, now look where they're at.

 

Huh I could've sworn a 4GHz existed (everybody knew Intel was shooting for that magical mark regardless of heat or cost at the time), maybe it was just a rumor. But yeah prior to Prescott-2M EIST didn't exist on desktops, which certainly didn't help the heat.

With that being said, we have a couple of really, really old desktops in our lab that are still running P4 HT! Most are on XP but one of them still has Win98 Not sure which P4 it is but does show that these chips are resilient (I guarantee you these machines were abused to hell and back, nevermind they're in a goddam chemistry lab which means any plastic surface has pretty much corroded)

Funny how the tables have turned. Now it is AMD who is playing the numbers game and creating ridiculous TDP chips. Well at least they can claim they have a 5GHz chip LOL

 

we need an update on this 880 stuff pidge.. give us some thing here!

 

The derailing is too real! =O.

But yes, as dumbdumb pointed out, I want to see how this 880M update is coming. Let me have faith in the green GPU gods that they love us enthusiast mobile users.

 

AW in the UK have stopped advertising it, although it's still selectable....

 

Yeah, but bragging rights about clock speeds tend to quickly fade when you start measuring results. Even their baddest bad boy desktop octo-core FX-9590 @ 5.0GHz runs no more impressively than an ordinary i7 QM CPU operating at around 3.5GHz. And, it gets its butt torn off, shredded and rammed down its throat by an overclocked mobile Extreme or desktop K and X processors. It's really pathetic how poorly they fare in the performance arena. Considering these are 220W+ TDP they only deliver around 50% of the performance that they should.

Look at this laughable physics score from an FX-9590 clocked at 5.35GHz. AMD Radeon R9 280X video card benchmark result - AMD FX-9590,Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. 990FXA-UD7 What is even more sad is that this is the highest 3DMark11 score on record for a system equipped with this CPU. Compare that to the physics score of a 4930K running at at slightly lower clock speed (which is not the highest score on record). I would say the extra $150~ price difference for the 4930K more than adequately compensates for having double the performance with 2 fewer physical cores and 4 more logical threads, not to mention lower TDP and lower core temperatures. That's what I call a "blood bath" LOL.

 

Yep, that CPU score is only 46% better than mine, and my CPU runs at less than half the clockspeed of that AMD chip. AMD have some ways to go!

 

Man, the silence over this unresolved issue is deafening. Tick-tock, tick-tock... it needs to be fixed. It's very sad what these 880M owners are having to put with. Should have been amazing...

I certainly hope it doesn't bring back bad memories, like this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-hearing-tomorrow-almost-time-make-claim.html

That did not have a happy ending for HP or Asus owners: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...-cq56-115dx-life-after-nvidia-settlement.html (we really got shafted by HP on my wife's defective laptop)

Dell and Apple took care of their customers even though NVIDIA did not take ownership of their mistakes. My, how time flies. Doesn't seem that long ago that I started both of those threads, LOL.

And, all of this waiting gives trolls an extra opportunity to talk stupid in public... like the one I had to correct the other day... [ LINK]

 

The sad thing is that I checked the 880M scores yesterday and I hold the record for the fastest mobile CPU (I'm right under the 4930K machines) SLI 880M on firestrike, firestrike extreme, and 3dmark 11 performance but the GPUs burn up so fast when gaming that I have to run them @ 849MHz if I want to make certain they won't hit upper 80s.

Such a sick joke.....

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And the thing is, NOW is the time when places like Linustech are doing their "checking up" on new strong mobile hardware. They'll grab 880Ms, it'll overheat or simply not perform properly, they'll say "oh well mobile hardware is getting close... but not really there yet" and people will go on assuming that our stuff is either meant to get that hot or is a waste of money. Then you show them 780Ms at the same clocks but they aren't willing to believe, or dismiss it as "not being an 880M" or something. Or will look at GPUBoss and see 771MHz and say "ha ha, so weak, can only play 720p games, ha ha" or something.

I checked back through that thread. It's been 10 days since he said it's probably a vBIOS flag, but no new drivers have come out even in beta (except the 340.76 one that someone found, but I searched beta drivers today and it doesn't show up) and there's been no word about it from any of them. I hope AMD brings out a monster mobile GPU soon and makes nVidia release not-broken hardware. 680M could have been a lot better with its memory and 880M needs fixing, or simply even recalls, which should be at nVidia's expense, due to design problems.

 

So apparently Nvidia is skiping the 800 desktop gpu series.... going straight to 900 series. LOL, gg 880m fix.

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Ummm... Where did you hear this? 880 is all but confirmed at this point and 980M for mobile so they can bury these cards...

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Only at VC: NVIDIA to skip GeForce 800 series, GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 mid-September | VideoCardz.com

More confirmations that 900 series desktop and mobile GPU releasing October, white paper in 2nd week September.

 

Awesome. The 880M is such an embarrassment they don't want to have any parts attached to it lmao and smh at the same time..

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well if thats the truth then i think we all need to crawl up the respective @22es of are manufacturers of are laptops. ill start the thread in the alienware section.. any one have any other ideas?

 

I sincerely hope that NVIDIA fixes the temperature issues. Even with the stock vBIOS temps are around 4 - 5 degrees above 780m @ 900mhz temps. My one with modded vBIOS goes up to 93 degrees flat out. :/ At least they can optimize drivers to fix this issue!

 

sounds like you need a repaste asap/

 

Its not a repaste issue for the five billionth time!

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Ethrem is right. However the only paste I use is IC DIAMOND.

 

To be honest I don't know what NVidia is going to do about this 880M issue, they've put themselves between a rock & a hard place! The 880M is running at the limits of thermal/voltage/Mhz stability, and that's what the fundamental problem is - they pushed this architecture too hard (right to the limits) for the 880M of what is possible on a laptop with all the respective different systems, manufacturers, and manufacturing tolerances of cooling systems, etc - I don't think they've got anywhere to go. I'd personally like NVidia to fix the 880M throttling issues with vBIOS or whatever they need to fix it with, and then it'll be down to the manufacturers to help customers with overheating issues by replacing examples of poorly cooled units until disappointed customers happen to get a unit manufactured to tighter manufacturing tolerances (talking cooling system manufacturing/assembly tolerances here). (As for laptops with inadequately designed cooling systems in the first place - well there's no answer then). That's my thinking on it anyway.

 

I think that nVidia's "fix" will be to release the 980M and call it a day.

If it is what we think it is, everyone will buy it and forget about 880M. Just like 580M?

 

It would be nice to see Nvidia actually taking ownership of the problem - even if that involves them maning up and saying "tough luck". I'm not impressed with how they're handing this at all.

 

I have held off purchasing an Alienware 18 for 2 months now in the hopes they find a solution to this problem. They are having a really good sale this weekend, but I guess I shouldn't pull the trigger

 

No, there is a reason for all the specials. £625.00 instant saving in the UK for the top AW17!

Obviously offloading...

 

I agree, the least they could do is release a vBIOS that fixes all the throttling issues, and then if the card overheats, they could at least blame it on the laptop manufacturers and their "inadequate cooling system". Really what do they stand to lose if they released a proper vBIOS?

 

NV never release vbios' for mobile cards. They provide the reference to the OEM's and it's up to them to set things like the fan and throttle points. NV cannot know the thermal characteristics of a laptop and are not going to get directly involved with anything that might cause a meltdown or even a fire!

For the same reason you see the disclaimer NV post on the drivers they supply. 'Use you OEM driver'. Not warranted to work in any way with their drivers.

The OEM's on the other hand have their own reasons not to mess. Mainly around liability admission, put head in sand and hope it goes away - without a lawsuit - once a quick fix is not on the cards!

When a similar debacle arose over the 580m we even had one of Dell's high level techs on a conference call to explain (among many things) why we couldn't just get a simple fan control software. It was said to be 'under consideration' but never appeared. Appears it risked the machines international certification, requiring re-submission...

 

Are there new AW17/AW18 R2`s coming?

 

No idea for sure but it's overdue and they like to have a new GPU to launch a model with. The R4 was late because of delays to the 680m and they ended up releasing it without a new model GPU (675m which was the 580m).

You are never going to get any statement until dell are ready, they don't want to crab current sales but the discounts ATM are just another sign IMO...

 

Well a vBIOS has already been released (custom one though) to eliminate the throttling issues, and yes, temps do increase by about 5-10 degrees.

 

(And, all of this waiting Gives trolls an extra opportunity to talk stupid in public ... like the one I had two correct the other day ... [LINK])
This speech, I liked :thumbsup:

 

Both Dell and other PC manufacturers set the clock speed to 771mhz on gtx780m while Nvidia said it would be at 823mhz without boost.

 

you reaching 94c flat out is the issue correct.. while there is a mixed bag of issues plaguing the 880m temp hasn't really been one.. its the performance and throttling thats the issue.. evin with a custom vbios i still throttle.. lag what ever you want to call it.. i suggested a re paste because if you are hitting 94c right away then that might be the issue.. nothing more.. now if your hitting 94c gaming then there is alot of other reasons iot could be.. me my self i dont have the temp issue i have my stuff just doesn't work right and nvidia needs to respond before i drive down there and give em a piece of my mind effects going on..

that or we need a dell rep to come on here and tell us flat what is what..

 

You really don't pay attention do you?

That's the reason so many of us have been ing. Stock vbios throttles to maintain low 80s, modded vbios goes up to the 90s and will eventually throttle.

NVidia pushed these cards way past where they should have. Why would we be complaining if the modded vbios fixed our issues? -_-

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Yeah, but you guys have totally different machines and their cooling effectiveness appears to be quite different.

As johnksss has pointed out several times, a couple of components (not the core) get sizzling hot with the machine just idling and doing nothing else. If you touch your heat sinks above these components (see image) you might actually burn yourself. These get really warm on 680M and 780M, but not to the extent that 880M apparently. Making the voltage and clock speeds run lower to match 780M is not a legitimate fix because 780M does not overheat like stock 880M does even when 780M is massively overclocked and overvolted. I don't buy that rationale at all. It's not pushed to its limits... it's just messed up. Better heat sinks probably isn't going to fix it and neither will thermal paste. Something is engineered incorrectly or they built them with defective components. Everyone called 880M a rebranded 780M, but at this point we can only wish that were close to being true. One is completely amazing and the other one is pure junk. There needs to be a product recall and everyone should be issued new 780M GPUs as replacements.

 

Any idea if the same components were used on the Quadro K5100M cards? On stock they're clocked much lower so the problem might not be that noticeable unless they're overclocked.

 

I have burned myself... The left one gave me a nice burn when I was removing the heatsink and the machine had been off for 5 minutes or so.

I'm by no means saying that I am thrilled at running them so low but I'm much less worried about failure this way.

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I was pretty surprised when john mentioned it was the inductors (R22 components) and not the VRMs that were responsible for generating so much heat

 

This is news to me. But then again this is my first fay off in 8 weeks.

Got a link do I don't have to dig for it?

 

No telling why that is. Only a guess, but it is probably a symptom of something else that is not right that makes the inductors (R22 components) overheat. Maybe with double the vRAM it needed more or different specs for the VRM and/or MOSFET chips than what 680M and 780M needed. It is a shame, really... 880M could have been really awesome with the 8GB of vRAM that overclocks higher than the 780M vRAM does. Then again, might just be something screwed up in the vBIOS causing it. Somebody (or a group of somebodies) at NVIDIA clearly didn't do their homework before deciding that it was ready to go.

 

john's post

 

Thank you. Reading it now...