The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
 Next page →

    Please, help me to eliminate AMD Enduro driver bug

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by AgentYura, Apr 26, 2013.

  1. AgentYura

    AgentYura Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    37
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Hi guys!
    I can't run OpenGL games or software. I get "LoadLibrary failed with error 126: The specified module could not be found." I found some solutions here for desktop and mobile AMD video cards, but I have no idea how to fix this on my AMD 7970M which uses Enduro. Could anyone help me, please?

    Does anybody know:
    -Where is atio6axx.dll copied after executing "C:\Windows\System32\ copy atio6axx.dll .dll" in Command Promt ?
    -Why is it atio6axx.dll and maybe there is a similar file for my GPU?
     
  2. goussama

    goussama Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Try switching enduro off? I'm not an AMD user but from what I heard switching enduro off helps
     
  3. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    4,879
    Messages:
    8,926
    Likes Received:
    4,707
    Trophy Points:
    431
    You can do that on an Alienware, but not on a Clevo.
     
  4. goussama

    goussama Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Ah my apologies then, good luck with your issue agentyura, these things can be draining
     
  5. Rudlin

    Rudlin Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    16
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
  6. king601

    king601 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    55
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I never had error with open gl using amd drivers. I use a lot of open glad software from vitual box to cad. Besides Enduro has no effect on compute performance on your card. I think the problem relying on your windows 7 or some software causing a conflict issue.

    Can you tell me what type of software you are trying running on opengl. I might help :)

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  7. Nick11

    Nick11 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    72
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    31

    I will be real with you. I have had a P150EM with a 7970m since day one of launch "Pre-ordered". I tried everything "Reinstalling OS, Drivers, etc." and nothing completely resolved my problems. Some drivers releases help, but the problems never completely went away. Until I eventually got rid of my machine all together, I am now using a laptop with a 660m and as sad as it to say it actually provides a better gaming experience than the 7970m.

    Yes the 7970m is a much more powerful card but the utilization issues caused soo much grief and soo much inconsistency, the 660m which still plays all games on High settings was like a breath of fresh air....

    So I guess I am saying I would recommend just swapping out the car for another if you can afford it, believe me it will be worth it!
     
  8. Rudlin

    Rudlin Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    16
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    What are you saying is total rubbish or you had a defective 7970M.
     
  9. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

    Reputations:
    2,321
    Messages:
    4,165
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    151
    I believe him.
     
  10. Nick11

    Nick11 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    72
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    31
    I am sorry comments like yours really me off. Fan boys like you were disputing me on the enduro issues originally as I was an early adopter.... resulting in myself actually getting flamed from warning prospective buyers away from this product.

    Read my statement carefully "I tried everything "Reinstalling OS,Drivers etc." and nothing COMPLETELY resolved my problems"

    I will admit that some people had more success with their 7970m than others, but if anyone makes a statement that the latest drivers fixes all the enduro & other issues completely in all games is a complete out right liar & fan boy.

    I mean you have a 7970m it's a piece of equipment, why do some people on these forums feel the need to defend it like its their girlfriend...... they know that the girl is fat but they will deny it to the end if any of their friends point that fact out.... lol
     
  11. Rudlin

    Rudlin Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    16
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Don't get so worked up about it. Where did I say that there are no issues in all games with enduro or anything to this matter? All of the drivers have various sort of issues and that is including nvidia and intel and voodoo and anything that came before. And just because you say you reinstalled OS and everything else does not mean you have done it properly.

    Saying that 660m is faster performing card than 7970M does not make any logical sense. Numbers doesn't add up and don't just quote my 7970M for that I've many more hours on 325m and I'm fairly familiar with issues on both sides.

    Take care
     
  12. Nick11

    Nick11 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    72
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Please stop misquoting me......

    What I said:

    "I am now using a laptop with a 660m and as sad as it to say it actually provides a better gaming experience than the 7970m. "

    What you claimed I said:

    "660m is faster performing card than 7970M"

    If you can't tell the difference between the two statements I suggest some English classes......


    The reason I get so worked up, is I hate how people have mislead prospective and current buyers about the 7970m.... I realize that all cards have some driver errors.... However comparing the 7970m's driver issues to Nvidia's is like comparing America's obesity problem to Canada's .......


    Cheers!
     
  13. Deks

    Deks Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,272
    Messages:
    5,201
    Likes Received:
    2,073
    Trophy Points:
    331
    However... most people who seem to have been experiencing driver and Enduro issues with 7970m have been mainly Clevo P150EMm owners.

    I won't deny the premise that Enduro isn't working properly... but, Clevo seems to have the most problems with 7970m when it comes to working at all.

    For this particular laptop, it could easily be down to the manufacturer - it wouldn't be the first time.

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, many problems with 7970m have been addressed with latest driver releases, even on Clevo's they shouldn't present too much of a problem.
     
  14. Rudlin

    Rudlin Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    16
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    You obviously misinterpreted my quote. Since you said 660M provides better gaming performance than the 7970M that does mean that in your case 660M > 7970M, which generaly speaking is not true, is it?
     
  15. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

    Reputations:
    2,321
    Messages:
    4,165
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    151
    It depends on the game. But wouldn't surprise me, overall consistency, and ease of use, it's a better designed card with better driver support. So for him, yeah, it may very well be a better performing, better card. 7970M is not awesome. It's decent. For the money, I think it's way overpriced, cost/performance is dismal.
     
  16. Nick11

    Nick11 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    72
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    31
    were in my post did I say 660m provides better gaming PERFORMANCE.....

    Exactly what Zymphad said it the consistency, ease of use, driver support, etc. just make the 660m in my opinion a much better overall card.... Doesn't mean I am not acknowledging that under most circumstances "No Enduro/Driver issues" the 7970m should perform at least 40-60% better than the 660m. For me it just never seams to work out that way, for example it was 6 months after the release of Max Payne 3 until I got drivers that resolved my graphical errors and FPS spiking issue.

    With the 660m I can tweak my drivers settings and get good performance and quality in all the modern titles "including Crysis 3". With my 7970m I didn't have that ability, when I would the drop the graphics settings in games it would just decrease the utilization % of the card, netting a very un-noticeable FPS increase.

    I am sure there are many people out there even with Enduro laptops that are advanced users and are comfortable constantly playing around with drivers to get a decent overall experience out of their 7970m, but for the majority of users the overall gaming experience with this card in an Enduro Laptop will suck ballz!
     
  17. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    You're doing something wrong then, you realize the latest "enduro" drivers bring the performance hit to below ~5%..............I wish people would stop typing crap that they can't back up with factual information. People feel the need to defend it because people like you are putting out information that is borderline stupid and does not at all apply to the situation.
    Oh really? Maybe you should read this http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Update-Radeon-HD-7970M-vs-GeForce-GTX-680M.87744.0.html because like I said, you are clearly not informed. Also agreeing with Zymphad gives no weight to your argument because has just become a disgruntled fanboy that complains about stuff that has been completely irrelevant for months.
     
  18. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    The 7970m is still flat out broken when it comes to some games, and minor issues remain for many more. Even after a year on the market, AMD hasn't been able to release reliable Enduro drivers.

    He's not informed because he's speaking from his past experience with the card? It wouldn't surprise me if someone did enjoy their experience with the 660m more than the 7970m after living through the Enduro debacle. Hell, there were quite a few times during my ownership of the 7970m NP9150 when I wished I could go back to my NP6165 with 650m... even after 12.11, there were still some games that ran better on the 650m than they did on the 7970m. Before 12.11, it was about half and half... some games the 7970m handled fine, while most others ran like complete garbage.
     
  19. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    I can't think of any games that it's flat out broken for, maybe if you are referring to very old Dx9 games then I would agree with you...........for me Company of Heroes barely breaks 90fps, that being said though there's little need for anything above 60 in older games that do not have 3D support.

    Also to touch on the 12.11 update, prior to that update there were only a few games that had any major issues, most notably BF3, and even then at its worst was still very playable. There's a point where people complain just to have something to complain, and to me this is a great example of such an occasion. Early adopters knew or damn well should have known that they were purchasing an unproven product that might very well come riddled with issues that would take time to solve, that goes doubly so for anyone that purchased the card even after some of these issues were made known. However, at the moment I think anyone who is trying to claim that the 7970 is a crappy product needs to take a step back, pull their heads out of their you know what and take some time to read what the actual facts are.

    What grinds my gears even more is that people are swearing off a product for issues that are primarily development based, i.e. something that can and WILL be fixed with time. Unlike the situation involving the still recent Nvidia G-8XXX-9XXX series where people fell victim to TWO entire generation of cards that were sold with KNOWN manufacturing defects, yet people are now back on their side?
     
  20. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

    Reputations:
    2,321
    Messages:
    4,165
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    151
    WarFrame is absolutely broken on AMD still. I stop playing WarFrame because of Enduro, not because of the game itself. The GPU utilization never goes above 30%, but the FPS just keeps getting lower and lower as the mission progresses and more players join. I see this with other games as well.

    When the 780M comes out and if it's cost appropriate, I'm definitely considering getting rid of this 7970M. It's simply not worth the hassle and the frustrations.

    When I say cost, I include all the time taken to try different tools and drivers and reading forums and articles looking for an answer. Cost Performance, 7970M is among the worst IMO.

    I see Clevo is continuing to use these switchable tech, also making me consider an AW for the first time ever too for my next machine. I don't want a giant monstrosity like the P370, but I don't want switchable, Optimus or Enduro now.

    I suggest for anyone who needs reliable 3D Power:
    1). Don't consider AMD. Too many driver issues, and when they do admit to something, you will wait 1 year for the fix. Likely won't be fixed for your gen, fix applied to the following gen, screwing over the current. That's just how AMD rolls.
    2). Don't consider switchable graphics. Go all out dGPU. If you need battery life, then get a second cheap ultra portable or buy a 2nd battery. Don't trust Intel to play nice with Nvidia and vice versa, even if they do, play it safe.
     
  21. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Arguing with this guy is starting to make my brain hurt, reasoning with a marshmallow is tough but he has me on ignore so consider this a public service announcement :thumbsup:. Concerning the problem you are describing not only am I unable to replicate it but I also cannot find ANYONE posting on any gaming/technical forum about a similar issue that has the 7970m, therefor one can reasonably deduce that it is in fact either a problem with your specific card or user error.

    I would say it's not cost effective for me to buy a run-down vehicle for cheap because I don't have the knowledge to get it working, perhaps that is not the best analogy I could use as the 7970 isn't terribly difficult to use, but it's the best I could come up with this late.

    Switchable graphics like it or not is the future of the mobile platform, especially in the sub 17' category but that's not to say it's any less disappointing to see most of the companies going towards a muxless design.

    I considered not even entertaining your next couple of "opinions" with a response but since I'm already at it I figure I'll just finish. Driver issues? Yes there are some, but the improvement they have made in just the past 6-months is pretty impressive........hell updating is as simple as installing the package over your old drivers. Driver progression is still an issue as they do take longer than Nvidia to get a driver to market, whereas Nvidia might have the drivers ready on a games release AMD might have them week or so after, annoying yes but product breaking? I don't think so.......

    Your second point confuses me, do you really think it's reasonable for most people to carry around 2 laptops all the time? Most people that are buying a mobile gaming unit are using it for other purposes such as school or work where they also need the power that the unit offers otherwise that's what tablets are for :eek:
     
  22. Rudlin

    Rudlin Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    16
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    This just thread just reminded me of this Youtube video where bloke compares a professional level DSLR vs iphone and gets better results on iphone NIKON D4 Vs iPHONE 4S - SHOOTOUT! - YouTube
    Widening depth of field and bumping ISO would blow iphone out of the water but hey, why not bash Nikon? Apple cultists make me sick (sorry for personal rant :) )
     
  23. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Logic based reasoning is a skill that is sadly absent from a large portion of the population, which tends to lead to many discussions similar in nature.
     
  24. AgentYura

    AgentYura Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    37
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Tried that already, didn't help. My guess is that the instruction has been made for desktop video cards and there is another .dll file to be copied for my video card. Maybe somebody who have higher skill in drivers than me could help? Where is that atio6axx.dll copied after execution of "C:\Windows\System32\ copy atio6axx.dll .dll"?
    I find the issue weird too, because I haven't had such problem for months and it only showed up recently. My only OpenGL software are VirtualBox and Photoshop CS6. Also, not a single OpenGL game I tried worked. Games I tried: Cry of Fear (fan mod of Half-Life 1), Star Wars - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast (engine similar to Gold Source), and Toribash (OpenGL to the bone). All give me the same "LoadLibrary failed with error 126: The module could not be found".

    I made clean install with the latest drivers, including AMD 13.4 Driver, but the issue is still standing.
    Guys, please refrain from personal insults. You are missing the most important part - fixing the issue. I guess it's partly my fault for such a harsh thread opening message. I'll edit it to avoid further going off topic.
     
  25. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I don't have a 7970m anymore so I can't say for sure, but I know that AC3 still won't run well, many older games run terribly, and there are numerous glitches in current titles (like Far Cry 3's "black boxes".) There was still underutilization in quite a few titles after 13.1, like Crysis 2 and Hitman Absolution.

    And to say that only a few games had issues before 12.11 is completely ridiculous. Nearly every game I owned ran like crap: Crysis 1 and 2, Saints Row 3, Arkham City, BF3, Skyrim, Alan Wake, Just Cause 2, and Max Payne 3 all had horrible utilization problems, and that's just to name a few off the top of my head.

    You think it's wrong to swear off a product that still has problems over a year after release? Who cares if they're development-based, AMD's problems are here to stay.

    It goes so far beyond "driver progression" it's not even funny. Nvidia has much better drivers, no frame latency issues, better switchable graphics, and (with Kepler at least) more overclocking potential. And yes, like I said earlier in this post, there are still tons of game-breaking problems with the 7970m, mainly with older DX9 titles, but also new games like AC3 and Warframe.
     
  26. Nick11

    Nick11 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    72
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Soo let me try and understand your logic:

    1) It's my on fault for getting a defective card as I should know being an early adopter there would be issues.....

    2) Why am I complaining the problems are not with the hardware but with the software drivers.... it will be fixed EVENTUALLY so why even complain ?!?!

    3) I should go look at all these links to threads stating all problems are resolved... when both myself and friend have had nothing but issues with all drivers..... What I am not allowed to speak from personal experience???


    I always considered myself a nerd... However how anyone can get soo defensive about a piece of hardware like it was their own genitals just blows me away.... you make those guys who dress up and hit eachother with broom sticks in the park look cool.

    Speaking PURELY as a consumer... ATI released an inferior product, even today there are issues who cares if its hardware or software in the end they both impact user experience.


    I refuse to argue this any further, as there is no argument here....I have provided my feedback on personal experience over the past 9 months, I have no reason to be biased what so ever at this point.......
     
  27. king601

    king601 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    55
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Hi I just tested virtual Box as well as Cry of fear and Toribash. All of them work perfectly fine for me. I only played for 5 minute for each of them and there was no crash. I sugguest you unistaled both intel and amd driver. Then install driver fusion and ati-man un-installer. Run driver fusion in safe mode , select intel and amd display driver(not chipset) and hit clean. Restart , run ati man un-installer , it will do everything for you ; just follow instructions. Finally , install latest driver from intel web site . As well as install Amd mobility driver 13.4 . Some people here just installed amd driver for desktop and they had big problem (they did not notice) , so look carefully at what you install. Furthermore before installing amd driver make sure that only have latest Microsoft .NET Framework(4.5 is the latest). amd catalyst need to have latest .net frame otherwise it won't work. So grab from internet and make sure you only have one version. Technically you can still have v 4.0 and 4.5 but no less than these versions. Finally I just wanted to make note that Cry of fear required Microsoft .NET Framework v4.0 to work even though I have only 4.5, but I went I installed some 4.0 but that's okay and it ran perfectly.

    P.s sorry for crappy English structure sentence . I was writing report & some coding for whole day and my brain is unable to form proper grammatically English structure sentence .
     
  28. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    .....AC3 AND Farcry 3 run pretty poorly on both cards, and again the FC3 black box's are present on BOTH.......so I'm not sure what your point was there. Moving on the under-utilization issue is still somewhat there but again in "effected" titles the performance lose has been proven by well known reviews sights time and again to be less than ~5%. Again, to touch on your next point most of the reviews and benchmarks put out would disagree with you but hey I guess there is something to be said for anecdotal evidence right?

    I'm done arguing with fanboys though since I only seem to get biased opinions instead of anything that is backed up by actual evidence.
     
  29. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

    Reputations:
    7,279
    Messages:
    10,304
    Likes Received:
    2,878
    Trophy Points:
    581
    So that is why the AC3 thread about 680M problems was only with 1 guy having problem with it while the rest was 7970M owners joining in to complain. And the other AC3 thread about 7970M problems is double as long with many people who have problems.

    That is why the Far Cry 3 thread about 680M problems was with 2 people having problems which was fixed by a later driver from Nvidia. In the meantime in the other Far Cry 3 thread about 7970M problems which is almost 4x as long with problems still not fixed.

    The only guy who resemble a "fanboy" here is you Vahlen. You are the only one who keep returning to this thread to defend your 7970M while people share their own 7970M experience with you. But you just don`t want to listen. Its crazy how the gazillion of threads about people complaining about 7970M performance still haven`t opened your eyes. But I guess you only see what you want to see.
     
  30. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    lol you're nuts man, you haven't owned both the 7970m and 680m while I have. AC3 runs fine on Nvidia cards. The 650m literally outperforms the 7970m in this game, it's straight up embarrassing. As for FC3, I have owned both single and SLI 680ms and the black boxes exist in neither.

    You can't even look in the mirror and realize you're the only fanboy here. Whether it's the 7970m or Clevo, you're completely incapable of evaluating your laptop in objective terms. You sit here and argue with people who have owned both the 7970m and 680m, both Sagers and Alienwares (and no, your three year old M15x doesn't count) about how overpriced Nvidia/AW are while downplaying their obvious quality and performance benefits. You're done arguing? Really? Awesome, I'm sick and tired of your drivel lol
     
  31. mickyyy

    mickyyy Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    142
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Ac3 maxed on my p150em 7970m runs perfect. So does far cry 3. Guess I'm lucky lol.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  32. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I find that hard to believe, unless AMD finally fixed them both after nearly 6 months of bad driver support for those games. Are you running FC3 in DX9 mode? That fixes the grey "box" shadow glitches. AC3 on the other hand was completely unplayable for me, even heavily overclocked running 13.1 :(
     
  33. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Let me re-iterate my statement so it's a bit easier for you to understand...........AC3 has been widely shown through many review sites to run poorly on both cards, if you'd like to show me actual evidence such as official benchmarks or reviews that contradict that statement then please do, but I doubt you'll find any.

    As for me "returning" to this and other threads, well...........someone needs to put factual information out there for people to read because neither of you seem to be. Personal experience means very little when determining product quality as a whole, only the collective consumer base experience matters. I could whine about my last car being an awful experience and verbally eviscerate the model/maker with the amount of what should have been unnecessary repair work it needed over the course of its life, but we all know that Mercedes is still one of the finest vehicles money can buy............so in reality did my poor experience make it true that others must also be suffering from such flaws? Of course not........

    People will always complain, specifically those that have issues and do not have the knowledge or ability to fix said issue. As for failwheel, he seems to be suffering from what my friends and I refer to as "blinded by bling"..........................

    Citation and research seems to be a lost art these day, come back when you have a respectable and current review that backs up your claims.
     
  34. AgentYura

    AgentYura Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    37
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Thanks for the help! I'm aware of the issues you described. Do I need to install Intel Graphics drivers? From my past experience the only way to get GPU working was installing AMD drivers without Intel drivers. So, I did a clean install of Windows 8 with all the latest drivers except Intel, no luck. I've created a ticket with AMD support via email. Will see what they got to say.
     
  35. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Assassin's Creed III Benchmarked - NotebookCheck.net Reviews Here are old benchmarks of AC3... Nvidia has improved since then (it ran at a constant 60fps on my M17x) while AMD was still running like garbage and constantly crashing even after 13.1 released (and it's still the same way, judging form the thread that I started about the performance issues when this game came out... people are still posting in it lol. Like I said, the 650m runs AC3 better than the 7970m on medium settings... pathetic.

    You haven't brought anything factual to any of your arguments that I've seen, whether they're about the 7970m or Alienware. I'm not just bringing up anecdotal evidence, as this thread proves http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/697384-assassins-creed-iii-major-7970m-performance-issues.html the 7970m is still broken in many games. It takes a seriously delusional person to argue that the 7970m doesn't have any serious issues remaining, and a flat out crazy one to claim that it only ever had issues in a handful on games even before 12.11 (lol here's one of the 6 million "the 7970m is broken" threads on NBR.) You claim to be a voice of reason and fact, yet all you do is downplay the benefits of going Nvidia/Alienware (of which I and many others have clearly explained to you by now) by accusing people of fanboys (hilariously hypocritical btw) and never backing your statements up with any fact or evidence.

    Here are a few basic truths that your silly brand loyalty and AMD-apologist nature force you to ignore:

    The 7970m has driver issues (surprise!!!)
    Enduro is still broken in many games
    Aluminum>cheap plastic
    Nvidia offers better performance (drivers, overclocking, frame latency, etc.)
    The M17x with 7970m performs better than your Clevo

    Why don't you show me a "respectiable and current review" that contradicts any of those facts instead of accusing me of being "blinded by bling" (lol'd again, I paid less for my simple desktop than you did for your notebook and it's over twice as powerful... sound like someone concerned with 'bling' over performance?)
     
  36. eyepopper

    eyepopper Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Vahlen, you are delusional. I have also had both cards. Swapped to the 680m after all the bs waiting around for an actual performance enhancing driver from AMD. The 680m is by far the better card. I waited until catalyst 13.1 to be released before I made the swap. Yes, that driver did fix some instances of under utilisation but for the most part these problems remained at the time of me swapping to the green counterpart.

    So far the Nvidia experience has been much more pleasant. As an example, BF3 still ran between 60 and 85% utilisation on the 7970m when 13.1 came out. Guess what? My 680m never drops below 95%, the estimated max performance level of switchable graphics configs. This nets me from anywhere between 10-15 FPS more than the 7970m ever did. Ironic that you claim that anyone that has a different opinion to you is either blind or a fanboy when this is exactly the behaviour you have exhibited. Maybe once you have owned both cards you can let us know how much better the Nvidia card is as well.
     
  37. Vahlen

    Vahlen Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    243
    Messages:
    323
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    31

    Your ability to read and retain my previous statements is questionable, so I will kindly restate them for you. For starters read this Review Update: Radeon HD 7970M vs. GeForce GTX 680M - NotebookCheck.net Reviews, it happens to be the most up to date review/comparison on the 2 cards available. Coincidentally it backs up nearly every statement I made, while your threads only reinforced my statement that AC3 specifically has issues on both cards. I'm sorry you feel like you have to justify your purchases through misinformation and blind faith, but I understand because these are large sums of money to a lot of people. I have nothing against Nvidia or Alienware, if you would read more closely and take some time to process the information you might save yourself some trouble.

    Who the hell ever argued that Nvidia was not superior, go back and read some? This is exactly what I am talking about your lack of comprehension skills makes you unable to piece together an accurate argument.

    Oh and btw your little comment about your desktop? It makes me laugh because it's not even relevant to the comment or situation.

    @eyepopper, the beauty of review sites allow me to compare my own experiences with that of other professionals. Read that review, would you care to show me where you are magically getting an additional 15fps from? Because everyone of those numbers match up to what I've experienced in my own games, so unless you are comparing an overclock to stock you're exaggerating.
     
  38. king601

    king601 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    55
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    So you have never installed Intel graphics card driver?. Of course that is problem your system is having. Amd or Nvidia both need intel graphic card driver to work , because they communicates to each other by sending signal (relaying command such as drawing images )from Amd or nvidia to Intel processor. you won't able to play any DirectX game or open gl without Intel graphic driver ,as simple as that. Here is page to download latest graphics card:

    https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Se...+Processors+with+Intel®+HD+Graphics+4000/2500

    choose your operating system and download the driver. But before that follow the steps I given to you start by un-installing amd driver , etc in above post. BTW , I am using windows 7 but it should not matter. 8 & 7 are the same almost.


    I think the idea you heard from people is that before Amd used to bundle Intel graphic Card with their driver so you dont need to install any . However, Intel driver get updates regularly but Amd does not update the driver in their bundle so that is the problem . Later they got separated because it better and have less problems but it does not mean you do not need drivers any more.


    One more thing, have you also installed Intel chip set driver ? Because its very important driver for motherboard and processor . If not , do it and if you do not know ask here.
     
  39. AgentYura

    AgentYura Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    37
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    16
    I tried that yesterday:
    -Clean install Win 8
    -Install latest Intel drivers
    -Install 13.4 AMD drivers.
    Not only it didn't fix the problem it also made 7970M not recognizable. Graphic properties and Configure Switchable Graphics dialogs disappeared. When I tried to manually enter Catalyst Control Center it said something like "No AMD GPU installed.
     
  40. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    First of all, my desktop is relevant as you were accusing me of being "blinded by bling." My preferences are always determined by performance, not aesthetics or "bling." I will not spend thousands of dollars on a machine if it does not offer the very best gaming experience in its class. When it comes to laptops, the best performing notebooks tend to be Alienwares. When it comes to desktops, a custom build will offer better hardware, cooling, and customization than a setup from Alienware. If I were so "blinded by bling," I would have gotten an Alienware regardless of the brand's performance pitfalls in the desktop segment. In case you still aren't following, this disproves your ridiculous argument; I value the gaming experience over all else, and especially more so than you (judging from your setup lol.) The only person here trying to justify their purchases is you. Every machine I've owned since I dumped my broken NP9150 has been flawless. Why would the person with the machine that actually works 100% of the time need to justify their purchases? It makes a whole lot more sense that someone with a glitchy, underperforming setup would need to justify the $1500 that he spent on it by sugarcoating his experience and denying the obvious problems.

    Secondly, I brought up Alienware and Nvidia based on past discussions where you call them both overpriced and downplay their performance advantages over Sager/AMD. The perfect example of this you accused me of overstating the benefit of being able to disable switchable graphics, among other things. This "minor improvement" (your words, not mine) is the reason the Alienware section doesn't have an 80+ page thread dedicated solely to problems with Enduro. While there are certainly still issues with the 7970m in AW notebooks, they have been consistently less persistent than the problems experienced by P150EM owners.

    Third:
    This quote shows how completely out of touch you are. I've already explained this, but claiming that there were only "a few games" that had major issues is beyond fanboy territory.

    And finally, how exactly do my links prove that AC3 runs badly on Nvidia cards? The 7970m can't even break 30fps on high settings, while the 680m (even on unoptimized drivers) still runs at 35fps, which is 40% better.
     
  41. eyepopper

    eyepopper Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Lol, I would give up now Failwheel. Vahlen is apparently somebody who doesnt use/like logic.
     
  42. failwheeldrive

    failwheeldrive Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    1,041
    Messages:
    1,868
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    56
    lol I'm obviously someone that enjoys arguing with brick walls.
     
  43. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

    Reputations:
    2,321
    Messages:
    4,165
    Likes Received:
    355
    Trophy Points:
    151
    You would be correct. It doesn't run perfect, Ubisoft knows of the issues and have no plans on fixing them either. Anyone who says it runs perfect seriously has issues in recognizing problems. The developer knows it doesn't run perfect on PC... nevermind the user.
    - I have the latest working drivers for Intel, 2932 + 13.5 B2 + 13.4 CAP 1. I can confirm Far Cry 3 DX11 bug still exists. AMD and Ubisoft don't care. This one is on AMD since DX11 doesn't affect non-Enduro GPUs.

    Also Enduro is not fixed as you have said. I disagree with anyone who would imply that Enduro issue is resolved. Fact that AMD is resorting to creating specific game profiles in the CAPs is proof enough. It's pathetic that Enduro users will have to wait for specific game profile updates specifically for Enduro... rather than just working. This would not be needed if you are not affected by Enduro. Terrible. I bet Nvidia owners won't have to wait for specific game profile updates for Optimus, just plain works.

    This is how I view it
    - Game released day 1. Enduro attacks. Great, low FPS and low utilization.
    - AMD likely won't QA their drivers to check if Enduro will affect new games, will have to make a stink and fill out feedback forms, which don't even list mobile GPUs, which is unbelievable.
    - Then wait 2 months for the next CAP to be released with the Enduro Profile update.

    A.W.E.S.O.M.E.
     
  44. king601

    king601 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    55
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    That is definitely weird. Are you sure you installed both Intel and amd 64 bit version and not 32 bit. Did you install your chipset driver(this is different from intel grahic driver) firstly?. Also , did you actually installed Catalyst mobility version not the Catalyst desktop driver? Because it will give error similar what is above(most people experienced here). I know these question look easy but lot of people make mistakes and it happens they mess up their driver installation. You must first installed intel hd graphic driver but before the chipset come in . Also Assuming you did that, before going to install amd driver, did you check that Intel graphics driver
    installed properly ?. you can do that after finishing your installation , restating , and launch Intel graphics. It should work with no amd driver installed. If did not then you have problem in your intel driver or system.



    EDIT: Oh man sorry about something. I forgot that The latest intel graphic driver (15.31) which is the one you download messes with Amd driver meaning they both see each other incompatible . This only effected in windows 8 and not 7. I forgot to tell you. You need the intel driver before that version which 15.28.2932. Here is the driver:

    https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=22375

    and for amd mobility here is the driver:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/716828-amd-catalyst-13-4-whql-arpril-24-a.html

    Don't forget about what I told you on how to un-install drivers.
     
  45. mickyyy

    mickyyy Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    142
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    CCC 13.4. No oc. AC3 no issues. FC3 in whatever default it chose. Works for me so I haven't messed with it.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  46. Rudlin

    Rudlin Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    16
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    31
    What king601 said
     
  47. AgentYura

    AgentYura Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    37
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    16
    king601, thank you very much! I installed old version of Intel drivers then installed Catalyst 13.4 and everything works fine now, except that low utilization (especially in GTA 4) and micro-stuttering of course. I got to get rid of that cursed laptop. DNS (My local Clevo reseller) and AMD burn in hell!
     
  48. Deks

    Deks Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    1,272
    Messages:
    5,201
    Likes Received:
    2,073
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Wait a minute...
    If Intel's latest drivers are causing installation problems, then how is AMD responsible for that?
    I will concede AMD still has to work on their drivers, but can you really blame them for Intel messing up?
    AMD's new driver releases are slow.
    Intel apparently got them out faster, and isn't it also Intel's job to make sure their drivers don't break the dedicated GPU?
    I mean if it works fine for Nvidia cards, then it seems awfully selective for one thing, and I'm not sure AMD can take the blame for this (apart from the obvious problem with Enduro).

    AgentYura

    Have you tested the games with those latest mobility drivers to see if you have resolved some/most problems yet?
     
  49. AgentYura

    AgentYura Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    37
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Intel released their drivers on the 21st of March, AMD released theirs on the 25th of April. Guess who is supposed to test compatibility?! Such actions are not acceptable even for beta drivers. AMD does such stupid mistakes on their WHQL drivers, which stands for Windows Hardware Quality Labs. So, that's why I make a conclusion that they only have retarded monkeys in their Quality Labs.

    I test GTA 4 with every AMD driver, and none of their drivers resolved the issues. GTA 4 is my favorite game and the reason I bought the gaming laptop in the first place because I wanted to play that game, but guess what?! I can't!
    Take a look at my screenshot. EFLC.jpg Upper left part of the screen - 20 FPS, upper right part of the screen - 45% utilization. In my experience 25% of the games suffer from underutilization and 80% suffer from micro stuttering which turns even 60 FPS into unplayable slide show.
     
  50. king601

    king601 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    55
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Are you sure you are not playing on intel gpu ?. To check for that , press right click on desktop and hit configure switchable graphics and check if your game is on high performance mode. High performance = amd 7970m , low permanence = intel gpu . Also make sure that you have Cap 13.1 installed , if not then installed it. Grab it from here:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/716844-13-4-cap-1-enduro-profiles.html

    I will check for ya how much GTA 4 fps is gettinng , I think I will buy it since they have sale at steam. Also I did quick search about gta 4 and amd 7970m and found they getting good fps (40 fps and higher).

    Forgot on thing : did you set your computer power option to high perfromance . It really changes everything
     
 Next page →