Possible "new" GTX 570M?

I was browsing Nvidia`s homepage when I found an PDF file explaining the Quadro mobile GPUs that is out pretty soon.

One GPU in particular was pretty interesting: K3000M
The PDF file say its a 75W TDP, the same as GTX 660M, but two things separates them:
GTX 660M have 384 Kepler cores, K3000M have 576 Kepler cores. GTX 660M have 64GB/s (128bit) in memory bandwidth, K3000M have 89.6GB/s (256bit).

So all in all, this GPU should be a pretty good performance boost over 660M while still having the same TDP!

My question is the following:
Nvidia, do they make a consumer GPU out of all Quadro products, and vice versa? Could this GPU be the "new" GTX 570M?

 

You mean new gtx 670m no ?

I think that would be cool.

 

GTX 670M is 570M so yes. Both are Fermi architecture, K3000M is Kepler architecture

 

Cloud I think your looking at the wrong card and should instead be looking at the K4000M since 2 Kepler shaders = 1 Fermi. Look at the 560M having 192 vs the 660M's 384. We should expect atleast a double in shader count to replace the 570M and they have demonstrated they can squeeze in more than twice the shaders with the 680M.

http://web.eurocom.com/ec/ecu_model_config1(1,0,0)

Doubling the 570M's shader count (334) gives you the number 768 which eurocom has a mysterious listing for a kepler card with 768 shaders . But thats not the K4000M... well that theory goes out the window.

 

I am thinking that this GPU (K3000M) will match GTX 580M or something. Look at the picture of the Quadro models I posted. Look at Quadro 3000M. It isn`t so far away from 580M in 3DMark11 and Vantage ( see results), it only have 80GB/s in bandwidth and 240 fermi cores. Compare against K3000M, it have 2.4 more cores and almost 10GB/s better bandwidth. I`m thinking that Nvidia didn`t put in a 256bit just for fun. There gotta be a need for this big bandwidth.

That 2x Kepler = 1 fermi isn`t static. It depends on the memory clock of the cores and the memory bandwidth, so you gotta look at that as well. But sadly no detailed specs of the K3000M is shown.

That "mystery GPU" can`t be the new 570M since its a 100W.

What do you guys think?

 

What would they call it? There's no useable numbers left in that range, outside of 665M.

I think these will just stay Quadro.

 

Yeah thats what I`m thinking too. But man, 75W with perhaps better performance than 580M would be the bomb for gamers.

I just thought noticed something else. It isn`t the TDP they are talking about. Its the TGP, maximum power consumption of the GPU ( see PDF file). So K3000M have power consumption of 75W while K4000M have a power consumption of 100W. Which means that even K4000M could have lower TDP than 100W.

K4000M have 960 cores, K5000M (680M) which is a 100W TDP, have 1344 cores, so one should assume K4000M will have lower TDP than that.

Right?

 

If this turns out to be a Quadro card, which it does

price wise and driver wise this will be quite the different GPU..

also the K4000M looks odd.. why 960 cores

 

GTX 675M Ti?

 

A 576 shader part would be ganked by a 7950m.

Also a non quadro part would have a 192 bit mem bus.

 

the 768 core kepler was supposed to be the 680m, but it sucked in comparison to the 7970m so they added more cores, realistically they could have made it into the 675m but they decided to rebrand the 580m instead.

 

Yea, I'm saying absolutely not, this is wishful thinking. Quadro and Geforce cards have been completely separate since the end of the g92 architecture, except for the very high end 256 bit cards. They're not going to release a midrange Geforce with 256 bit gddr5.

 

I think
K3000M = GTX 580M/675M
K4000M = Somewhere between GTX 675M (+25% maybe) and GTX 680M
K5000M = GTX 680M

If K4000M have a TDP of around 80W I will be all over the upcoming business books since its right where I want it performance wise plus most importantly, heat wise. But then again, does it excist any business notebooks with dual fans? I have Elitebook with only one fan and its noisy as hell.

I think its strange that Nvidia won`t make a consumer GPU out of the K4000M/K3000M since they will then offer something they don`t have out yet, but thinking about it makes me wonder if they won`t because they might interfere with GTX 660M (Crush it) and Nvidia will compete against themselves. But atleast the K4000M sounds bloody interesting.

But to be honest, why the hell would they be so stupid to release a freaking rebadge as 675M and occupy that name when they could have perfectly offered GTX 660M as the low high end, K4000M as the mid high end and then GTX 680M/K5000M on top?

I mean, do they have to wait til 700M series now since the names are taken? So stupid

 

because they've still got 685M left

....... the ways of nVIDIA are inscrutable .. sadly

 

Underclock/undervolt 7970m->there's your 75w 580m.

 

Problem naming any of them GTX 685M is that it will be a higher number than 680M while performing worse. It will interfer with their naming thingy.

And they won`t introduce 700 series until 2013. Great job Nvidia

I don`t want to undervolt/underclock/overvolt/overclock any of my GPUs. I want everything ready when I get it

 

WHY not, I cannot understand you Cloud.. that's the fun about everything

 

Yeah I know

Well I`ve perhaps found a valiable candidate

HP Elitebook 8770W.
Elitebook, we meet again. Build quality is top notch too.

And as a nice bonus, it also have HP`s Dreamcolour IPS screen. Time to save up some money because its freakin expensive if I remember correct

But I`m sceptical since it only have 1 fan...

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Yes the 680m is expensive so you...... Spend more for less performance. Sounds like cloud logic to me.

I'd get the 680m and 120hz screen myself.....

A 675ti would he 960 shaders with 192bit gddr5 and lowered clocks to slap in the middle of the 675 and 680.

 

Cool, we can be benchbuddies. Share our passion for Nvidia GPUs. Back each other up with epic fanboy wars on the internet. Tell everyone how they suck. Tell each other tricks how we maintain and use the GTX 680M

I too think K4000M would be right in the middle of 675M and 680M. But GTX 675M TI? TI on a mobile GPU? lol

 

You sure it doesn't have at least 2 fans? You seem be a fan of it.

No but seriously, its a pretty massive fan (on the 8740w which supports the 5010m) and look at the cooling of the MSI gx660 upgraded to 6990m, 16f2 with 7970m and 580m, all with the 1 fan. Really heatpipes and sinks are what make the difference after a certain point.

 

It only have 1 air vent, so I`m pretty shure it only have 1 fan.
I found another notebook that will have the Quadro models and its the Dell Precision series. It have 2 fans and runs very silent from the reviews I`ve seen but its fugly compared to Elitebook.

But I`m just thinking, not done thinking if I should buy it or not
If the one fan is effective like you say thats good. Will wait to see reviews first

 

Even though it has 1 fan it definitely has 2 air vents unless they majorly changed the design. It has one on the left side and one on the back.

Yes my friend just got a Dell m6600. I wouldn't tell him but frankly I am somewhat disappointed. The lid curves inward where it latches. I mean its made out of metal, and it is very durable but its just not "precision" machined if you'll forgive the pun.

The one thing about the Elitebook series that bothers me a lot is the weight. Pretty sure the HP 8560 weighs almost as much as the dell m6600, no idea what the 8760 weighs.

 

Quadro K3000M and Quadro K4000M have been tested

Spoiler

GPU-Z of the K3000M:


3DMark 11:


3DMark Vantage:


Cinebench 11.5:


Quadro K4000M tested

Based on 3DMark 11 it looks to be about 13% faster than GTX 580M.

 

i would imagine these k kepler quadro cards, being optimized and used in the 700 series of nvidia, this would solve all of the naming issues haha.

 

Sharing names for multiple cards hasn't stopped nvidia before. They had two 555's two different 650's and I think they even have the 640 name on two cards with different architectures. Heck they even have some mobile dermis in 28 nm. That is if I remember anandtechs preview article correctly

 

cloudfire, I read somewhere that the 660m is actually a 50w card. + repped you for the new info. I reckon 3830 3dmark11 75w card is more consuming close to 60w as it seems the new gpus with tdps of fermi take less power. I hope nvidia release a 700m series undervolted more to get some more better performance per watt.

 

Disappointing performance from the K3000M, barely outscoring the GTX 660M.

And I wish these Chinese leakers understood the value of the 3DMark11 GPU score.

 

Well the K3000M is clocked much lower than 660M, 654MHz vs 950MHz. The VRAM is ridicilous low clocked with the K3000M, 700MHz vs 1250MHz, but it have 256bit bus. Wonder how they compare heat wise.

I`d imagine we will see non Quadro models for K4000M once the 700M series are here, that will be clocked higher than now

 

Oh, didn't even notice how sickly the VRAM clocks are.

If that happens, I hope we're only looking at significantly downclocked versions of the 760 and 770.

But I expect GK106 to play heavily in their next set of mobile cards, just like GF104 after GF100.