Power = Performance ?

So I plan to get a more powerful laptop down the road.

I have my eye on this…

Lenovo Legion 5 AMD Ryzen 7-5800H 16GB 512GB SSD 15.6 Inch FHD GeForce RTX 3070

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/len...6-inch-fhd-geforce-rtx-82ju002yuk/version.asp


But my query is perhaps to due to my lack of understanding maybe …. So bare with me.

I was talking to someone who has that laptop — and he said it runs MOST games on ultra/high no problem.

And I thought wow…. What games require more? Higher spec than this?


My feeling is that the RTX 3070 or anything above an RTX3070 paired with a suitably fast CPU e.g Ryzen 7 or above should … SHOULD be able be able to play ALL games on Ultra settings with high frame rates….?

if not… Why?

Most modern games came out before the 30 series cards were even available.

most normal people arnt using RTX 3090 for gaming…. So there’s not much more variants after RTX 3070. RTX3080 (Max Q, Super etc)

so why would games (perhaps badly optimised??) require more power??

Are games designed with future not yet available tech in mind?

 

If a game is badly optimized (Crysis Remastered, for example), it's not going to run well on anything but the most powerful desktop GPU. You also have to keep power limits in mind. A laptop RTX 3070 can only run at a maximum of 150-165W, which means its actual performance is closer to that of a desktop RTX 3060.

But if you want to know how well something performs in games, just watch any of the myriad of videos on YouTube that are available for whatever GPU you are considering.

 

Yeah I guess there is that to consider. Laptop limitations.

so safe to say desktop versions should do what I’m saying RTX 3070 and above should scorch any game given to it…. Surely?


It must be the variable nature of components and optimisation etc. That makes performance not … let’s say guaranteed……?

 

It depends on the game, it depends on the settings, and it depends on your frame rate tolerance. It's hard to get Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 to run at over 60 fps, but 30-40 fps is plenty playable given the nature of the game. Professional CS:GO players will run with the lowest possible settings in order to maximize frame rate. While I don't follow esports, I have to imagine anything less than 400-500 fps in that game is unacceptable if it's your livelihood.

 

Right now it's 140 for the 3070 and 165 for the 80 unless something has changed.

 

That 5800H and 3070 paired with that FHD panel will play pretty much anything well. Not to mention it seems according to Lenovo that Legion 5 has a 130W 3070 in it, that's on the high end of the scale.

 

first figure out a few thigs..

1) budget how much gaming do you plan on and whats the enjoyment worth to you
2) how long do you want X investment to last and work it out is dollar spent per day if happy
3) buy..after extensive research into laptop and never trust a random opinioin

 

That actually is a really good deal imo if just saying pounds=dollars in terms of purchasing power for average items. I think the Economist says the bigmac metric. If a big mac is 4.99$ in the USA and it's 4.99pounds in the UK etc This should kickass in pretty much everything imo, especially if you output to a 2k/4k monitor, with only turning down a few things it should do very well. I would look at notebookchecks games benchmarks for the 3070 to get a ballpark of what it can do in games afa fps/settings. They actually do in games testing of a variety of games and settings as well as the typical synthetic benches. Although I'm suspicious they just get those with some pre-defined formula calc spreadsheet tbh because from the settings and fps of a few of those games(mostly high 1080p or med 2k for me in games) I get similar or only like 10-20fps lower on a 2060rfm 90w. You can makeup 10fps with other refinements in your system as a whole and simple moderate OCing and even 20fps with a clean LTSC install or lite win10 custom image.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3070-Mobile-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.497451.0.html

 

Thanks for the feedback folks.
Reading through. Learning.


Appreciated.

 

If the cooling is well executed, and noise is low/manageable, then yes.
A lot of laptops have issues with low quality cooling and high noise which makes gaming problematic despite having good specs. As you know, low quality cooling in one unit can bring down FPS quit badly... as can poorly paired hw.
But Lenovo usually seem to know what they are doing, so that particular laptop (hopefully) shouldn't have problems.

 

Whatever notebook you get make sure it has a decent heatsink and unlockable advanced bios menus so you can tune it..You don't want to be stuck constantly throttling when you just paid for the best hardware on the market.

 

If a laptop is overheating or otherwise performing badly out of the box, it should be returned for refund immediately.

 

I know what you mean but I feel like a undervolt and a couple more bios adjustments are necessary with gaming laptops... That's why I returned a HP omen for my GE66.

 

Does putting a 95 watt 3080 in an Aurus laptop qualify for performing badly even though you got exactly what you paid for?

IMO the advice is sound; There are a number of laptops a man can buy right now that do thermal throttle out of the box. It's a thing. Better to not buy in the first place than have to return later.

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/medi...qhd-amd-r7-5800h-gaming-laptop-lt-019-md.html



Does anyone know anything about Medion Laptops?

on paper this seems pretty decent. The RTX 3070 is full 140w …. Compared with many of its peers ASUS, Acer often only 80w…

Again I’m assuming power = performance??

those spec seem decent. But Medion laptops are completely unknown to me….

 

Looks like that laptop uses a Tongfang chassis. They're solid enough. Browse through the threads in the "Other Manfuacturers" sub-forum for owner impressions and such.

 

Yeah thanks I will have a look.

I’ve never heard of Medion…. I think German.

 

But that’s a full powered RTX 3070 right?

that spec seems really quite good. Not seeing a downside.

 

Don't know. And if you have something to add to a post you've already made, use the edit button instead of making multiple replies in a row.

 

The 140 watts is the maximum power for a 3070 as of this date. The eluktronics Reddit is relatively active, XMG also; those might be worth perusing. There are variations with the various frames with theTongfang resellers so you need to pay attention to the differences.

 

what do you mean? Tong fang?

 

The manufacturer; many outfits sells laptops, far fewer actually make them. You're probably best served by doing a search; that will give you some foundation.