QUADRO BATTLE - FX 570m Vs FX 1600m

Hi! I need your opinions about FX 570m Vs FX 1600m...

If I would be modelling/ rendering products such as cars/bikes/boats etc would the 1600 offer significantly greater performance? (the dell precision with FX 1600m, 17 inch etc is about 500$ more than the 15 inchThinkpad T61p) would that be worth it?

Thanks!

 

I modeled and rendered those with a desktopworkstation with a 4500m, rendering time was superb. I've tried navigating the model with default shader on my m6300 and it starts to get pretty laggy. But over all.. for basic modeling and rendering of products.. and items with less surface details... the 1600m is nice.

I'm thinking about swapping in the 3600m once it gets a bit cheaper and is easier to find. But i would recommend getting the 1600m... the 570m will probably struggle. Also the high res on the m6300 makes modeling alot easier..

 

wow! that was fast and niice bike! The thinkpad and dell are WUXGA though the thinkpad is smaller.

and the apparently the rendering times depend ONLY on the CPU... only navigating around the model needs the quadro cards.

I just checked the nvidia website, and both FX570m and FX1600m are 128 bit interfaces with memory bandwidths at 22.4 Vs 25.6 GB/s but max power consumption is 35W Vs 50W...

So, is it really worth paying 500$ more for what seems like a small difference on paper? or in your experience does it make things much harder to work with on a 570? I configured both with 4gb of ram, will that be able to take some strain away from the graphics card?

Thank you so much for all the time!

 

thank goodness someone started a thread like this. heres my question to follow up on what carthikv12 just said. Does the graphics card play any role in the actual rendering process or does it just make scrolling around the work smoother? Im trying to get into video editing on my laptop and I was thinking the video card would allow me to run the effects in real time to view before I decided to render.

 

hey tloc, Ithe graphics card only makes the scrolling/navigating around easier. The actual rendering depends ONLY on the CPU... I'm very sure cos I posted a thread about this a while ago on this website, and i got some great replies explaining it.

And just so you know, I've read that macbook pros are the best systems for video editing....

 

Id love to get a MBP, but all of the software I get from work is windows only, plus my kids are to dang expensive!!

 

T61p on sale with 570m and Intel T9300 is a good deal.

Have you looked for Cinebench comparisons?

 

ohk if all your software is for windows, then i guess any powerful system is ok, but I think if you don't have any 3d modeling involved, a normal (and much cheaper) geforce will do... the quadros are useful if you do non linear video editing...

 

From my own experience, even the 1600m struggles during hardware shader... so i cant imagine how the 570m would handle it. Rendering time is cpu based but when modeling it's all about gpu... and navigating a laggy ass model is no fun at all. From your first post it seems that you will be doing some big scaled models(bikes/cars/etc...) I would definitely settle for a 1600m or something higher.

 

570m = 8600gt 3dmark06 = 4300ish
1600m = 8700gt 3dmark06 = 4800ish (overclocks nice..)

3dmark06 probablly isnt the best program to check stats of a quadro card, but in general.. you get the idea.

 

Is the 3600m officially realesed yet?

 

yes, you can customize a m6300 with it. I just hope that it ends up on ebay soon! I really want one!

 

I do all NLE. I havent gotten into 3D rendering yet and as of right now I dont have to much need for it. Maybe once I get better at the NLE ill want to add animations to the mix, but that will eat into the little bit of free time that i have!

 

well, i figure i might as well put some input myself. I've been doing 3D rendering now since a junior in highschool, and am now freshman in college. My main program is Autodesk Inventor *AutoCAD is about as unintuitive as it comes, use inventor instead* but i have been using Zbrush occasionally. Unlike up above, I don't have anything to show, mainly cause my HD went up on my lappy so i lost all but the paper copies, but I can say this.

At school, we use workstation class desktops w/ dual cores and quadro cards, but we've done some seriously detailed drawings, remember one day it took 30min for one thing to finish rendering after trying to rotate a circular pattern for this brushing mechanism we were modelling.

Now in college I use a 2.0GHz Santa Rosa, 2GB 667 RAM, and an 8600M GT, and it's the smoothest rendering I've done. Yes, Quadro cards are designed more for CAD software, but honestly I have had NO issues whatsoever rendering anything I can throw at my system w/ this 8600.

Your CPU is going to be able to handle everything fluidly, and 4GB is only going to help if you have 64-bit OS. otherwise it only uses about 3.2-3.5ish. IMO, Geforce and Quadro cards are closing the gap between specialties. I don't know how much you said ur laptops are for, but see if you can get a similar one w/ an 8600 GS or GT any cheaper, you most likely won't notice a difference, probably an improvement if anything

 

this is a common misconception !

heard it a thousand times before.....

rendering does not have anything to do with the graphics card, at least not for now. in the upcoming versions of cad programs realtime rendering features will be included.

but for now ... rendering is done by the CPU ! the professional graphics cards are only necessary to speed up viewport performance in opengl.
Besides 3dsmax that does use directx, all of the major cad programs are running in opengl.

and for checking the real capabilities of the professional cards : the specviewperf is the benchmark that is used to compare tthe opengl capabilities of these cards, so look for specviewperfresults when comparing the different models of professional gpu´s.

 

Keep in mind the thread starter is trying to model motorcycles, cars, boats, etc... Transportation designers mainly use AutoStudios/imagestudio/etc... A normal geforce cannot handle these programs.

As mentioned above.. rendering is cpu intensive... but when modeling(rotating/navigating/building surfaces) it gets very stressful on the gpu.. Trust me on this one... i've gone through so many notebooks inorder to find the perfect one. Some CAD programs are more gpu intensive than others.. but for a fact Autostudios/aliasstudios/imagestudios(transportation design programs)... and a few other programs are very stressful on the gpu.

The cpu only kicks in when you set the computer onto render, and i usually let my renderings run over night... since they can take 5+hours

x1400 256mb.... modeled like crap
x1600 256mb... modeled like crap
7600go 256mb.... modeled like crap

 

ive done a comparison between the 1500m 2500m and 1600m on Specview... do a search. But there isnt a specview for the 570m yet.

 

This is a better benchmark for CAD type GPU cards.

http://www.maxon.net/pages/download/cinebench_e.html


Gaming wise the FX 570m does great with the right drivers.

 

Thanks a lot for your input about transportation design programs joystik! I was just wondering if an 8800 GTS (with the 256 bit interface) can outperform an FX 570m for my usage.....

 

when the desired program is working in openglmode the 8800gts will be ok. but the fx 570m will outperform the 8800gts by far. the opengl capablilities of the fx 570m will let the 8800gts look like granny in a wheelchair