Question about Gaming Graphics Cards

hi all,

As you know guys that Play Station 3 has got awesome video cards. I heared that PS3 uses NVIDIA cards.

BTW, Im about to build my gaming notebook. but i am still hesitant.. For instance, intensive games like crysis.. i wish the GPU beats it w/ 40-45 fps in the high settings hands down.. could somebody suggests me one card..what is the best graphics card that outperforms PS3 in notebook area whether it is NVIDIA or ATI series..

thanks in advance

 

PS3 has a weak GPU actually iirc. It's just that it has a beast CPU and games optimized for it's hardware that you don't really get that much lag. Most of the recent PC GPUs can probably decimate the PS3's GPU

... I think ._.

For Nvidia, go for GTX260M and anything beyond ._. ATI, 5650? I'm not exactly sure about ATI

 

PS3 hardware is 3 years old, that should put it into perspective.

Also, there are only a limited amount of laptops you can "build" and they are quite a bit more difficult than your standard budget PC build. You might want to consider just sticking with an OEM builder, or if you want more customization go with a botique builder on a Clevo platform.

A 260GTX and a 5850 GDDR3 sound about right for beating a PS3

 

Anything around a desktop 7800 is about as good as a PS3's GPU.

And the CPU while very impressive it has a lot of downsides. Put it this way, Sony cancelled the Cell Processor. It's gone, no more cell processors after PS3, it was a massive flop and giant financial loss for Sony.
- PS3 fanboys can go on and on forever about how awesome Cell Processor is, but fact is, even IBM who manufactured and designed the processor said it's not profitable or feasible. Just never took off, really the only company that made use of it was Sony. And even then, for PS3 game developers, the biggest hurdle was the Cell Processor... and it still is.

Anyways, the big reason why Sony games run well is because it is a pure gaming machine. Laptops/PC are not pure gaming machines and have not been optimized just for gaming. And games for PS3 are highly optimized for that platform.

So making a direct comparison from PC to any console is not a very good idea. But I would agree, any laptop with GTX 260 or better will exceed PS3 by leaps and bounds. Console games run at 720p @ 30 FPS and usually plenty of screen tearing. I've only heard of one console game where it runs around 60 FPS and that was MW2.
- Actually any laptop that can run a DX9/DX10 game at 720p @ 30 FPS is about right. Even a 8800 should be fine.

 

@Reizo thanks for your input.. well, i agree with you..GTX260M is still a super fast GPU.

@rschauby thank you buddy, i totally agree with you that Clevo is one of the best manufacture for gaming laps and Asus is cool too.

@ziddy123 i really appreciate that..your info is great. It helps out. dont worry, i will take care in choosing a good GPU.


Actually, im getting impressed with a new Sony Vaio F13 though I have no idea if NVIDIA Ge-Force 425M is playable at maximum settings or not

do you guys think NVIDIA Geforce GT 425M - Notebookcheck.net Tech.. could run future and modern games like crysis which using CryEngine2 or Metro 2033 at high-settings smoothly with no laggy at all?
cheers

P.S. it fits w/ optimous technology

 

GT425M is actually not that powerful enough to run modern games like crysis or Metro 2033 at high settings smoothly without lag. In fact, both the games that you mentioned requires at least a Class 1 GPU (List is in the notebookcheck link you gave) to properly play them at high settings.

At medium, maybe. It also depends on what resolution you're planning on playing the games on.

 

i don't think a single mobile GPU solution will run crysis at high settings and at high resolution without any lag. and depending on how crysis 2 is for PC, i don't know about that either. however, if you got the money, then you can get the performance...

anyways, PS3 graphics are okay - PC's have been producing images like that for a while. but the GPU in those machines won't even run Crysis unless you want a slideshow.

 

Given the games you are looking at and the setting and fps you want, you need either a 5870m or a 480m, to get even close to 40fps in crysis you will need two of either card in crossfire/sli.

 

its like comparing how ps3 gameplay is different from xbox 360.

they both serve the same purpose which is to play the game but in this case crysis is a really demanding gpu and so is metro 2033.

mw2 is a good example. for ps3 its really fast pace. for 360 its slower but really intense and catches gamers attention more than the ps3 due to the fact that its not all about graphics. if you switched back and forth you wouldn't probably notice the graphics difference. always depends on your tv/monitor and nothing else.

 

CES 2009: Toshiba's Cell-processor-powered television first look

I'm seeing pretty much any current top-tier GPU will be faster than the PS3. Any Radeon 5830 and faster, any Nvidia 260M or better.

Just pay attention to the resolution differences... most PS3 games run at 720p, so that means you won't be comparing apples to apples if you get a laptop and you want to run games at 1080p.

The absolute best thing to do is forget about comparisons to game consoles, and check benchmarks of the games you care about on the cards you're looking at and the resolutions you want to play at.

 

Too bad for Toshiba, their cell processor doesn't exist. IBM completely took it off the table. It's gone, nada, doesn't matter what Toshiba wants. All cell processor development cancelled indefinitely.

Two things. If you wan to play games like Crysis and Metro 2033, you'll need the top tier GPU. HD5870M, GTX 480M/GTX 470M, and highly overclocked GTX 460M.

And if you want top tier performance, you won't have optimus or switchable graphics. You have to choose. Do you want performance or do you want portability/long battery life. Can't have both.

 

Isn't the 460M a 'high tier' card with Optimus?

 

Try to forget Crysis as your target. No matter how much horsepower you throw at that game, it simply has limits on how fast it will go. That isn't necessarily because your GPU sucks, but because the game just isn't made in such a way that linear increases in computing power can linearly increase the framrrate.

If you want a modern high end game that pushes hardware to its limits for use as a benchmark, I'd recommend using Metro 2003.

That said, on a high resolution screen (1920x1080), you will need to have a top-tier GPU. From the previous generation this includes things like the AMD 5870m and the GTX280M. I think also a GTX480m, if available, would serve well. Even with one of these GPUs, you will still find cases where games can not be set to maximum settings while at 1920x1080. They will probably go up to 'high' though.

 

You need an i5 to do that. All the GTX 460M I've seen so far are paired with an i7. MSI may have an i5 version, but it's not announced. You also have to enable it, and there is no confirmation of that.

 

Wow too bad Ziddy got banned, it's not obvious from his comments. I didn't know that the Cell got cancelled although it doesn't surprise me as Eurogamer had an article stating that Sony's next console (PS4?) will be much, much easier to program for.

Personally I prefer console gaming as it's much easier to setup a system ready to play. Even though the tech has been passed by with newer PC hardware most high-end console games look incredible i.e. Far Cry 2, Just Cause 2, Red Dead Remption etc.

 

if u want to play crysis on high , u need a 5870M at least... or NVIDIA GTX460M.. with a 480M it would be very high and 4XAA.. here it is high and 4X AA on 5870M... on 460M , its high and 2X AA.

 

it's actually:

high performance, portability (and/or battery life), low cost

choose 2.