Question~ about GTX460m and HD5870m

Hello everyone~
Im a freshman here,,
sooo, say hi first. haha.

im planning to buy a new laptop, for gaming,and also school work.
i was pitch on the MSI GX660R-060US, HD5870m.
but my friend told me that Sager laptop has GTX460m,which is better than HD5870m..
soo... im confusing now....

please.. help me out...~~~

 

5870m > 460m

I have a friend who owns a GX660R and it's a sweet machine if you like the design.

You could also wait a month for intel/nvidia/AMD to release their next generations.

 

The GTX460m has trouble overtaking, or even matching, the HD5850m, much less the HD5870m.

Maybe with extreme overclocking, but then, that's assuming you've parked the HD5870m at stock

If you are looking for CUDA development (and not OpenCL or DirectCompute development), then the GTX460m would be a better solution...

 

next generation....
i cant wait, HD5870m for me is enough~
thanks guys~~~~

wowowwow, cooool laptop, im coming~

 

you know right when the laptop actually ships to you is the time when the new laptops with better GPU's get announced. Just saying because I know I would feel bad getting a top of the line laptop only to be outdated right when I get it.

 

thats.... sucks........
but the price... i dont know...

 

if you can hold out until around Jan 6th then that is the time the new tech gets announced at CES and when they say when it should actually be available to consumers. That would be the best time to see if its really a worthy improvement to whats already available for you to get. There are already leaks from the next Alienware m17 R3 out with the next gen AMD 6900m series GPU which is to be revealed during that time.

 

Hmmm, I am not sure about gaming notebooks and stuff. But my personal belief is that the more you are spending on this new notebook, the more you should wait.

Like the above poster said, it would suck to get a high-end notebook which isn't the latest out there... Just my thought.

 

Don't forget about the CUDA technology from Nvidia... for rendering, photoshop work and stuff that can use the Cuda cores the nvidia card is far superior. I think a lot of people underestimate the 460m, it has great gaming capabilities and runs games like Black Ops and BFBC2 on highest settings and almost maxed out really smooth with a little overclock even better.
The 5850 / 5870 may be better for gaming, I don't know exactly as I have never used a laptop with one of those two cards, but for rendering and similar stuff get the nvidia.

 

#1 If you were serious about rendering you would go with a WORKSTATION GPU. GTX 460M is a gaming/consumer solution. And if you were really serious, you'd know AMD is supported by Adobe, Maya, CAD, etc. OpenGL and OpenCL will be the predominate, not CUDA.

#2 GPU rendering is still overrated and surprise, surprise. It's Nvidia marketing. The GPU is still mostly for simple instructions in which many programmable shader units may be useful. CPU rendering is more flexible, complex instructions and in fact in many instances it's faster than GPU. The GPU is not the magical solution for rending as Nvidia would want you to think. That is why Apple sells a Mac Tower with dual Xeons and a single ATi since most rending is still done on dual CPU, total 12 cores.

#3 Also for encoding it's the same situation. x264 on CPU is faster and more complex with higher quality image than CUDA enabled encoding. It's pure marketing BS that simply not true from Nvidia.

#4 Siggraph and various companies like Luxology, Next Limit and other companies are also being more vocal in that GPU rendering is not acceptable for final production rendering. CPU is still the dominant solution, not CUDA. Nvidia marketing does not make it true. But who knows what the future holds and what parallel processing will hold for us. But then it's likely Intel and AMD going that route since both companies are CPU and GPU research developers who are working with parallel processing. That's the whole concept of Sandy Bridge and AMD Fusion. And if any company that is serious about utilizing parallel processing would know this and CUDA would not be applicable since CUDA is exclusive to Nvidia only whereas OpenCL can work on both CPU and GPU from any vendor in comparison.

#5 So unless the OP has a TON of simple calculations that he needs to do, possibly a research student, a HD5870M probably will suit his needs better. If not, he is looking at the wrong GPUs to begin with.

#6 Even on something as simple as video playback... FFDShow or CoreAVC IMO provides a better consistant image than than UVD from both AMD or Nvidia and frankly CoreAVC is still the fastest H264 decoder out there when it runs off the CPU.

 

mostly true. long term, openCL is much more interesting, but openCL is not GPU-only technology. Ideal renderers and decoders and encoders, etc. in the future would use openCL and leverage both the CPU and GPU in tandem for simultaneous processing where each is best.

photoshop cuda plugins aren't very important except maybe to a small subset of professional photographers or professional graphic designers. Note again: small subset of the professional field

that said - the gtx 460 and 5850 / 5870 are all very good graphics cards. can't really go wrong with any of them and they all support openCL.

 

WOW.!!

thanks all u guys help!!!

now i know that HD5870m is more fit for me.
and i do love the design of this laptop~~~~ its so pretty~

i saw some of u guys were suggest me to wait until CES.
but i dont know if my mom will let me to buy it when i start second semester......and i cant wait... hahahahaha.

anyway, so thanks you guys help, it could be my first gaming laptop~

 

Comparing GTX460m and HD5870 here

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is the gtx 460m so good against 5870m????im in a dilemma which one to buy..is this site riliable??

 

If you're upgrading, then just wait the two weeks of CES.

 

*clapping* that's my video card right there. The Nvidia GTX 460m, FTW!

 

i have another question..
is that new Sandy Bridge core CPU are so much better than i7-740m?

 

Intel claims it will be twice as powerful. I have no idea if that's exaggerated or not, but I think it's assured that Sandy Bridge is better than the current i7s

 

well I have the Toshiba x505 q892 which has the GTX 460m since Thanksgiving. It had the original Toshiba graphics driver and couldn't update because my notebook was incompatible with nvidia's official 260.99 so until today I checked laptopvideo2go and they had an official Toshiba driver from nvidia 265.89. I installed and I had a good steady 10 fps increase on Battlefield Bad Company 2 every set to max even AA, AF, HBAO. This is my first graphics driver update and I'm impressed.

 

BFBC2 makes great use of the GTX460, its right up there with the 5870M.

Still in the larger scope of games the 5870 takes the win due to the raw power available and not great driver optimization and compatibility like the 460 has with BFBC2.

I would say if your in a position currently where you are purchasing a laptop and having thoughts about if your laptop should have the GTX460 or the 5870M that the best thing to do is not worry about it.

Go ahead and focus on the other important factors for your laptop like the ergonomics, price, warranty, cpu, ram, hdd's, keyboard, screen.

Let the best laptop for you be the one to purchase and what ever card of the two it comes with is the one you shall use since the GTX460 and the 5870M are rather close in performance.