R9 370 Details leaked - Finally a new architecture from AMD?

I think this one deserves a new thread.
As some may have heard earlier from rumors, AMD originally planned to only launch R9 390X from the 300 series as a new card while the rest was rebrands to remove inventory. The GPU market share for AMD have fallen to alltime low 24%, shops had big inventory of AMD cards based on the GCN 1.x architecture piling up and had enough of failing sales and said stop. Something had to be done. Investors demanded a new direction, and AMD made changes to the plans that the entire 300 series would be new cards and not rebrands.

Fast forward, Videocardz got hold of some information about one of the upcoming cards, R9 370. What is 100% confirmed is 110-130W TDP, most likely ranging from reference 110W to 130W for the overclocked versions. That the card got a 256bit bus and its coming already in April!
Videocardz thinks that the shader count is 1300-1500. While TechPowerUp pin it down to 1792 shaders.

What is evident here no matter what number of shaders it will have, we are dealing with a new architecture or a heavy tweaked one, with a ton better efficiency than previous cards.

R9 270X: 1280 shaders, 256bit, TDP 180W. M290X was made out of this one
R9 370: 1300-1800 shaders, 256bit, TDP 110W.

We are talking massive improvement here!
There will undoubtly be a mobile card based on this one, and unlike M295X, a broad range of notebook OEMs will welcome this card with open arms. AMD is finally ready to take on Maxwell in the mobile space!
Welcome back AMD

Source: http://videocardz.com/55051/xfx-radeon-r9-370-core-edition-leaks-out-coming-early-april

 

Get me a new MXM mobile version!!

 

What makes you believe this will be in more notebooks this time around? I'm not trying to argue/disprove this statement, as I'm always in favor of competition but nVidia* appears to have a large share of the market in mobile GPU's at this time and the AMD top tier mobile cards only appear on a handful of units.

*window shopping observation, no statistics to back this statement up.

 

Clevo, Dell, MSI, they all sold machines with 7970M when it came out.
M295X is only used by Dell because of the horrible efficiency. 125W TDP. Why would any OEM use a chip that runs much hotter than the competition, especially since GTX 970M beat it while output much less heat and essentially cost the same. It complicate cooling designs and vbios to ensure that the notebook it stable , it creates potential overheating issues (if not from the get go but years down with customers that never clean their notebooks from dust or put on new paste), it puts strain on the power supplies for the notebooks.
We saw the mess GTX 880M was.

The chip based on R9 370 will have a thermal output and power consumption that is ideal for any OEM.
Thats the reason why Clevo, MSI, Dell etc will use this chip in my opinion.

With 110W TDP, who knows, this might not even be the top dog from AMD. Depends on how much AMD is willing to "sacrifice" to get down to the target TDP of their mobile card

 

Also AMD may be able to capitalize on the Nvidia fiasco going on. They just have to market it correctly.

 

Well hold on hold on, let's wait and see what's coming out. If Kepler and Maxwell are anything to note, number of cores is getting to be kind of moot. Let's make sure AMD's cores are improved over GCN 1.x AND that their higher numbers are something to write home about. And if the R9 370x is a 110-130W GPU, then maybe highly binned R9 380 or 380X chips can be crunched down into mobile factors? If they use the 110W chip then efficiency could be like Maxwell, but if those chips don't compete with the 970/980 (or even 980M) then it'd be a largely moot point.

BUT. BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT. I am fantastically happy that AMD is finally doing something NEW. I really hope they bring in something fantastic here! I want them to make a huge comeback in the mobile sector too.

 

According to the VideoCardz chart, only 390 and 370 Series are based on the new GCN 1.3 architecture. Everything else is still rebadges or based on old GCN 1.1/1.2. Which is hardly different from the previous rumor, which speculated that 360 instead of 370 would be a new architecutre. Not anywhere close to being completely new GPUs top-to-bottom across the entire 300 Series.

 

Blablabla... We'll see, AMD will have a hard way to get back the customers trust.

 

Same with Nvidia

 

That chart is made up. Videocardz doesnt know.
With 370 efficiency, it looks more like a GCN 2.0 to me. 1.3 sounds like a minot tweak. 180W to 110W is a major jump dont you think?

Well GTX 980M is based on GTX 970. A 145W card. So yeah, the top mobile card could be based on a beastlier desktop GPU.

 

The problem with nVidia is they have ice cold, overclockable-as-hell, mostly-power-frugal, powerful cards. It beats "trust" and they know it. You want the best you have zero choice.

980M is 1536 cores, so it's cut down from a 970. This means it should be even less than a 145W card base. It also has low voltage memory, which the 970M does not seem to have. It also is a lot less overclockable (even if the user has excess power) than a 970M is. Honestly if a 970M wasn't so far down the food chain (1224 cores vs 1536; 192-bit mem bus vs 256-bit) we'd have another 470M vs 480M fiasco, where it's impossible to get the "flagship" card to beat the second best. The only upside is that the 980M isn't a hot, power hungry bastard like the 480M was, so that helps it quite a bit.

I still say the 980Ms themselves were a disappointment, even though I want them quite badly for various valid reasons. But as good as they are, they could have been much better, even without adjusting the number of cores. And further to that fact, AMD needs to absolutely blow that away, for the inevitable time they shove a GTX 980 or something like 1792 cores into a mobile card with still-high clockspeed.

 

Until the cards blow up a year down the road because of some undocumented defect feature

 

Don't care what Nvidia bring out. Their attitude isn't getting my investment.
Any company that gets too proud to maintain basic decent relationship with their customers simply has a long way to fall.
Nvidia will fall if they don't change their attitude. If not AMD someone else.

 

I don't know if I would call it a disappointment, considering how massive an improvement it is over the last two generations. Just because the 970M's performance is ridiculous for a 2nd-tier card, doesn't mean the 980M isn't still a very good flagship.

Could it have been better? Definitely. But I think we can blame AMD for that one. If they had their **** together and could actually threaten NVIDIA in the mobile performance area, I guarantee the 980M would be even better than what we got. But that is what a lack of competition does; it makes it so the company with all the market share doesn't have to bring their A game.

 

It's as much of a disappointment as the 680M was. It emits the same traits too: low voltage vRAM, very bad memory overclocking capabilities, low power draw and heat output for a flagship, etc.

It does not mean the 680Ms were bad cards for their power output etc, but it DOES mean that they could have made better flagships (which was proven when they made the 780Ms). Maxwell in itself is responsible for the 980M's prowess; don't mistake the 980M being "good as-is" for Maxwell being a powerful and cool-running architecture overall. In fact, the 980M is the worst side of maxwell I've seen in the mobile sector. The 860M is a MASSIVE overclocker. The 970M is even more so. The 965M is a powerhouse unto itself for cheap prices. The 980M most people can barely manage +200/+200. Hell, when I run single GPU games on my 780M, I can do +262/+250 stable. It's only in SLI I really lose power in OCs and crash (or maybe my slave 780M sucks I dunno).

Believe me, they can (and will eventually) do better.

 

Well until we see mobile versions I won't be to excited, AMD needs to do do something amazing to get back into the game, I hope the mobile GPU's pan out.
Any idea when we might see the mobile cards?

 

Who else is there besides AMD? Nobody.

 

Intel stands up looks around and quietly sits back down.

Spoiler

Iris Pro Joke

 

I love Intel's promo "get a free GPU with every CPU you buy"

 

Get a free GPU (Just note that it will overheat your CPU in benchmarking and help to throttle your soldered BGA garbage )

 

Really? 980m is that limited? I have managed +135mhz and +450mhz memory so far with +25mv OC. I haven't tried unlocked vbios to raise the core though.

 

Seems to be variable. I can't say anything about the memory because I haven't touched it but I got my pair to 1293MHz using the stock voltage on Prema's vbios (1.065v) - it was 3dmark stable but game stable was 1222MHz. I haven't tried fussing with the voltage because I don't feel a need and I really don't want to repaste right now when my games don't need it. Either way, my cards seem to be good overclockers, I am just babying them. I don't want to be the first to burn a pair!

 

I know what you mean. Mine are almost completely unstable on stock voltage if you go +135mhz core and +150mhz memory or something like that. I need +12mv using nvidia inspector to get +135mhz core +250mhz memory fully stable in gaming and benchmarks.

But yeah, unlike my 780m, I needed to immediately raise the voltage just to keep the OC stable. Otherwise games would simply crash at random intervals.

 

Yeah. Seems raising core and memory both can be problematic, and users seem to top out near +200-250 with them. Whereas a 970M is almost guaranteed to be +300MHz or more. 300+ on a 980M gaming stable? That's a definite golden chip, from what I've seen on these forums.

 

Yeah, though honestly I have yet to game enough to confidently say it is 100% stable. I did notice I had to raise the voltage just to be stable at lower clocks, so maybe its a time bomb. I will definitely check into that.

 

Yeah I had some weird clocking behavior at 1222 a few times where the core just tanked itself for no reason (Prema's vbios has no power limit and the cards weren't near the 87C throttle point set in that vbios), probably needed a voltage bump but the odd thing is that the core tanked below its stock frequencies. I decided to stop messing with it after that and let others report their findings. I can't afford to replace these cards if they fail me and my 880M experiences left a bitter taste in my mouth for nVidia reliability.

 

First Mobile GPU leak from the 300 series:
AMD Radeon™ R9 M385

Sadly no information about anything there. Not what I can see. But atleast we know it is coming. It was tested around January 25th.

Pay no attention to the benchmarks, because a M290X beats a M295X on the same benchmark. Probably CPU and other stuff paying a big role there.

 

I hope you are right and OEMs don't screw it up again, also it will be interesting to see this GPU in the ASUS N551ZU (FX-7600P + R9 M280X) successor once Carrizo is out, FX-8800P + R9 M380X could be an interesting combination with the great display and sound of the N series for under $1000 (hopefully).

 

You forgot the stupid iMac with a single fan/heatsink 295MX + 4790K with no air intake and miniscule exhaust opening.

 

Lets get back on track to the topic at hand. Enough with the CPU discussion, everything has been said already.

 

Thread has been cleaned up. Please try to stay on topic, CPU debates do not belong in a thread about a GPU.

 

Oh yes, they are coming

Looks like there will be a R9 M385 X too.
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-m300...-lenovo-lists-products-r9-m375-r5-m330-chips/

 

If nvidia were truly threatened they could release a full GM204 equipped with 1500mhz memory (or even 1750mhz) so they have a lot of room for growth.

Let's hope that happens

 

No doubt Meaker. The TDP of a full GM204 is a good deal lower than a full GK104 which GTX 780M was based on.
Full GK104 had a TDP of 195W while a Full GM204 is 165W.
Which is why I was pissed when I saw the specs of GTX 980M, with even lower core count than GTX 970. 1536 cores instead of 2048 cores. Thats a lot!
This was Nvidia slow playing us because AMD had nothing to offer against them in the mobile space.

Looking at the incredible efficient gains in R9 370 against R9 270X, here's to hoping AMD will launch a R9 M385X that beats the crap out of GTX 980M and force Nvidia to release what they should have from the beginning

Im extremely curious about two things from AMD:
Will the mobile cards have HBM? Does all of them, or just those with X after the suffix?
Will the mobile cards have XDMA?

 

The M390x will come with its own water cooler.

Spoiler: lol

 

Listen, I just have one thing to say.
R9 370 line is codenamed "Trinidad".
I live in Trinidad.
Remember how much great lengths I needed to go to in keeping my system cool?
Remember my original "owner of the hottest room" title?
Remember AMD seems to name things with meaning =D
Let's see what their mobile chip actually DOES first.

 

Lololol! I always thought it couldn't be a coincidence that AMD uses hot places for their video card codenames!

 

Maybe its the other way around now?
"So cool it can even run normal in Trinidad?

But yeah, "Volcanic Islands" and "Hawaii" did run hot lol

 

LOL. "So cool it can run normal in Trinidad"
I'll believe it when I see it.

 

This site list these engineering samples. I guess this is where wccftech got the info from.
With all these new cards incoming, there just got to be a new architecture from AMD dont you think?

Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M315
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M320
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M330
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R5 M335
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M340
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M350
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M360
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R7 M370
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M375
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. driver update for AMD Radeon (TM) R9 M375X

 

Wow that's a lot... I'd say that's definitely a new architecture. At least on the top end.

 

Looks like the new CEO knows what AMD needs to not only survive, but thrive in this market. It's about time they released a new generation of components based on something new. I'm glad. NVIDIA needs some competition.

 

Well about time, didn't they promise to start pumping investments in areas that needed it when they cleaned house a few months back? Like it's one thing to say it, but to actually do it is kind of surprising.

 

R9 390X looks like its getting HBM. Fingers crossed for a mobile HBM card soon from AMD

 

Well their current hardware is encroaching on FOUR years old. It's been three and a half years. If they didn't put in something new now, they would have simply gone bled money until they got bailed out. And it isn't even clear if their bailing out would have been on the GPU-side, as Intel DOES make GPUs that are functional, even if not high end.

VR immersion is a waste, but it's a good marketing tactic now.
The hardware H.265 and 4x faster H.264 implementations are awesome. It'll also mean that AMD's hardware encoder would be a viable alternative to CPU-based x264 rendering, and high-end streamers on single-PCs might quickly switch to it, as x264, while functionally fantastic, has a lot of load to deal with that the hardware decoder could get rid of. Especially if the R9 370X and R9 370 cards have the same functionality built in, then even cheaper cards would be a good idea for streamers looking to get in the door with a lower-level system like an 8GB RAM, i5, single-GPU gaming system.

 

Where did u get this slide from?

 

VideoCardz

Personally I'm waiting for a 390X Lightning 8GB card. Should hold me over nicely until 16nm, especially for 1080p or even 1440p. Now let's hope Freesync delivers...

 

Now let's hope it costs less than Titan X

 

If performance is right along with Titan X, and price is say $600, I might get two of these to build a R9 390X CrossFire setup.
In all my previous desktop builds I used AMD exclusively, and I read reviews of R9 295X2 which also have this water cooling, and the noise level from it was impressive. Not much more than a 780 Ti.

So I am very interested in this card. Both Nvidia and AMD have something to prove for me. I just pick whatever is the best, which is why I only bought Nvidia for mobile

Fingers crossed, and yes @octiceps I believe the "up to 8GB HBM" is to allow a cheaper 4GB HBM card. HBM probably is extremely expensive, so I have my eyes open for the 4GB card I think. Should be priced right and enough for my upcoming 144Hz 1440p display

 

This R9 370 will compete with which nvidia card?