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    RATE THE BEST !! NV OR ATi

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by wHo0p3r, Jul 1, 2009.

  1. wHo0p3r

    wHo0p3r Notebook Consultant

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    As it says, I just wanna know how others think about them :)

    So basically all you have to do is vote for the company that you favor, and state why you do, also if you have any criticism for the company that you voted for

    I'll start,
    For me, I see ATi is better, cuz I feel like ATi delivers good performance at a reasonable price, not a rip-off :p
    Criticism: I would like to see ATi improving their website and making it more informative about their cards, and not having to go to NBCheck to know about the cards.

    EDIT: also ATi has support to to other features like OpenCL, and coming soon the DX11, so i think they'll be ahead of the game :)
     
  2. GamingACU

    GamingACU Notebook Deity

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    Nvidia...because it has mobile driver support.
     
  3. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    Nvidia... Almost every game is tailored for it, PsyX support, and computer chips shouldn't be RED!!!! ;) lol
     
  4. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    My vote goes to Nvidia.
    Both of them actually are very good.
    ATI low-ended GPUs is better than Nvidia low-ended GPU.
    ATI is cheaper than Nvidia after all.
    If your budget is limited, ATI is your best friend.
    However, my vote still on Nvidia XD!

    Actually, EVGA is the BEST! EVGA base is from Nvidia.
     
  5. Signal2Noise

    Signal2Noise Über-geek.

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    ATI:

    • Monthly official drivers
    • Better GPU technology
    • Better video/DVD support/playback

    Clarification: I prefer ATI for my desktop cards and that's what I'll buy. For notebooks it doesn't really matter to me.
     
  6. Reaper05

    Reaper05 Notebook Evangelist

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    hmm the age old ? is out again. I prefer nvidia but i have no brand loyalty. I will buy ati in the desktop cards. But i will say nvidia has the mobile area for me. and i have had mobile ati cards.(integrated x200 and x1270) :(
     
  7. wHo0p3r

    wHo0p3r Notebook Consultant

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    NVIDIA's brainwashing.....
    that's why I said that ATi needs better advertisements and better website :p
     
  8. Dire NTropy

    Dire NTropy Notebook Deity

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    nVidia because of CUDA
     
  9. anothergeek

    anothergeek Equivocally Nerdy

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    I don't have a preference, I take whatever is the best option. For now, Nvidia still has a grip on the title, but Ati is pulling at their arm and has the other hand reaching for it :p
     
  10. MexicanSnake

    MexicanSnake I'm back!

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    I pick ATI, better bluray and HD support, they use newer tech, they have everything first like direct3d 10.1, 40nm, GDDR5...

    But I also like nvidia! both are SUPERB brands :D :D :D.
     
  11. Clutch

    Clutch cute and cuddly boys

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    Nvidia because I have never had a problem with them and drivers work.
     
  12. Soviet Sunrise

    Soviet Sunrise Notebook Prophet

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    Yeah! Go Intel! I love how smoothly the X3100 can run Space Pinball.

    My vote goes to Nvidia.
     
  13. avanish11

    avanish11 Panda! ^_^

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    If we're talking laptops, then Nvidia without a doubt. SUCH a large enthusiast community. ATI... not so much.
     
  14. crash

    crash NBR Assassin

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    No preference for me. ATI has been making some fantastic cards the last few years, and we have them to thank for the low prices of video cards. If it wasn't for them, NVidia would still be charging us premium price for video cards.
     
  15. mtness

    mtness loitering

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    For notebooks, id have to take Nvidia, they support their mobile GPU's which means they support their customers....if its desktop, i dont have a preference and would choose from what i required out of a card not its name.
     
  16. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    nvidia owns notebooks, period. they actually release drivers for their own product *gasp*.

    in desktopland, they each stand on their own. my last desktop purchase was ATI, my next might be ATI. It might be Nvidia. Whichever makes the dollar go further the week I want to buy.
     
  17. Howitzer225

    Howitzer225 Death Company Dreadnought

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    Nvidia. But the step to GDDR5 by ATI made me think twice. :p
     
  18. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    Nvidia stepped into DDR5 as well ;)

    ATI due to the driver support and Cheap prices :)
     
  19. USLaptopUser

    USLaptopUser Notebook Enthusiast

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    I preferred ATI. ATI is better cost/performance. ATI has better tech than nVidia but nVidia own more reputations.
     
  20. classic77

    classic77 Notebook Evangelist

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    After owning nVidia my whole life, I finally have ordered an HD 4650 for this laptop...I guess that makes me a Radeon man...but honestly, I'm as fickle as the wind when it comes to manufacturers. If you have better for cheaper, I'm there.
     
  21. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    I have ATI cards in one of my laptops and nvidia in my desktop.

    I like nvidias support a little more, but ATI is catching up quickly
     
  22. Phinagle

    Phinagle Notebook Prophet

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    Whoever has the best performance.
     
  23. xarthos

    xarthos Notebook Evangelist

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    Nvidia. My laptop is outstanding and the 9800 GTS 1 GIG DDR3 has been the heart of that rocking performance.
     
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    catacylsm Notebook Prophet

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    Both, my first nvidia was a 5200fx, i was really happy with that card, played the games at the time (it was a mid ranger) and played battlefield 2 when drivers were all sorted out hehe.

    The next was a 7600go, ive had that for 4 or 5 years, it still plays some of the latest games and refuses to die :) it just wont, even when overclocked beyond sensible limits, i love that card.

    My latest card is the HD4850, its a tank alright, pushes through all the latest games with its hands behind his back, heck even ran through the whole crysis demo on the highest settings without so much as a stutter.

    Im a fan of both brands, why? Both reliable, affordable and perform admirably.
     
  25. RazzeN

    RazzeN Newbie

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    I really like both brands, but I lean for ATi because I have used it for almost always.
     
  26. nacr05

    nacr05 Extreme Overclocker

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    I prefer ATi over nVidia.. I have a 4850 and it eats anything I throw at it. I have owned nVidia in the past and I think there great too.. I still prefer ATi.
     
  27. PurpleSkyz

    PurpleSkyz Notebook Evangelist

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    has to be the crappest card I have ever had, my voodoo 2 SLI was better, midranger, yea right...><
     
  28. Signal2Noise

    Signal2Noise Über-geek.

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    I was doing some grocery shopping today (yes a gamer has to eat too!) and I saw this on the magazine rack.

    I have now avowed to buy only ATI products because of this.
     
  29. catacylsm

    catacylsm Notebook Prophet

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    Who needs voodoo SLI when one voodoo can do the trick, ive owned voodoo too :p

    Rayman the great escape and homeworld catacylsm ftw with that baby :D

    5200fx wasnt bad though, and it has a nice overclock :)
     
  30. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    Lol all this proves is Nvidia has a larger and mainstream market compared to ATI, if you haven't noticed almost every single game is tailored to work on Nvidia GPU's if anything I'd say this makes me like Nvidia more
     
  31. Signal2Noise

    Signal2Noise Über-geek.

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    nVidia just pays the developers to support their gpus more. They're basically buying their foothold in the videocard market. But we all know that each and every time ATI & nVidia release their latest & greatest card ATI usually wins the benchmark war. Especially in the last couple of years. The magazine is just another biased way of getting more unsuspecting gamers and computer enthusiasts to buy their cards, without the risk of competing advertisers.
     
  32. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    LOOOL Benchmarks.... We also know ATI has inflated benchmark scores... but in Real Gaming and 3D applications Nvidia is the winner... Anyway both make great great cards more than needed to handle most games and such, I'm jsut saying that's all included in which is better... Nvidia has a larger profit margin, so they can do alot of extra stuff with it... New technologies, exclusive rights like PsyX etc.
     
  33. ichime

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    That was only the case for 3dmark06. Vantage is inflated for nVidia now. Even though a desktop 4870 and a GTX 260 216 perform pretty much the same in real life gaming, the GTX 260 216 scores around 15-20% better in Vantage GPU scoring. SLi is the same thing; even though a GTX 295 (two GTX 260s with 240 SPs in internal SLi) destroys two 4890s in Crossfire in Vantage, the latter beats it in actual gaming by an average of 10%.
     
  34. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    what we all *should know* is that neither ATI nor Nvidia has any real lead in the desktop GPU market. Both are neck to neck in competition in price / performance.
     
  35. Signal2Noise

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    I would agree with this if we say both the laptop/desktop market. nVidia pretty much pwns the notebooks.
     
  36. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    what are you talking about?
    i totally missed your logic there.
     
  37. Micaiah

    Micaiah Notebook Deity

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    I don't know about that. The Mobility Radeon HD 4670 is untouched in the 128 bit interface realm, so is the HD 4570 in the 64 bit class. The HD 4850 is holding its own pretty well with the Mobile GTX 260/280s. That statement might have been valid six months ago, but that's not the case.
     
  38. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    He's reinforcing what you were saying... In the Desktop Market there really isn't a clear winner, both companies continue to put out great cards... He's saying as far as Notebooks go, Nvidia is the clear winner! Even though ATI continues to plan new things for notebooks the lack of implementation makes them an underdog
     
  39. Signal2Noise

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    Thanks, MrBB. That's exactly it. :)
     
  40. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    I am often misunderstood as well ;) lol
     
  41. xxERIKxx

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    i voted for nvidia because thats all ive ever used, but im planning on building a desktop with ati gpu's.
     
  42. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    why did he quote me and add a condition that i had already put in place?

    *still so confused*
     
  43. johncolazabal

    johncolazabal Notebook Geek

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    Nvidia is the way to go! :D
     
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    ATI. Because I'm tired of having a Nvidia card.
     
  45. wHo0p3r

    wHo0p3r Notebook Consultant

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    Can't say that either, the 4870's in Xfire still beats or is the same the GTX 280m in SLI, and that's just in GDDR3, I wanna see how you react after a few months when the GDDR5 4870's are released....

    and in the desktop market, Ati will have the lead soon, NVIDIA is going slow...
     
  46. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    unfortunately the graphics market is not as simple as taking one sides theoretical best performer and putting it up against the other one. even if what you say about 2x4870s beating 2x gtx 280s, it's almost a moot point (although i am sure many people are going to argue that point with you).

    availability, mainstream, mobile driver support. these are the important things in the notebook market.
     
  47. Aeris

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    My vote goes straight to NVIDIA, I have used NVIDIA Graphics Cards ever since the times of the RIVA TNT, and they have never let me down; Mainly, I use High-End parts in my computers, and ATI just won't make the cut to fit in my standards.

    ATI is really good on the Budget - Medium-High market, though, the price x performance ratio is really good, while NVIDIA is lacking on that field of the market.

    However, now that GT300 is just around the corner, ATI has nothing to fight NVIDIA with, mainly because GT300 is supossedly x2 (even x3) times more powerful than GT200 (GT200 was a Test-Tube for a new architecture, sort of), and not even the 4890 X2 is up to the power of the GTX 295, so, imagine what a GTX 395 would be capable of...

    ---

    GT300 will sport a 512-Bit Memory Bus on GDDR5 Memory, will sport Clock Speeds x2 or x3 times higher than GT200, around x3 times more Shader Processors (Actual Processors, not just Logical), will sport much better support for CUDA, will support DirectX 11 out of the box and, it will be a CGPU, basically, along with much more improvements over GT200.

    Source:

    Bright Side Of News - NVIDIA's GT300 Specifications Revealed: It is a CGPU!
     
  48. Tinderbox (UK)

    Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING

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    Nvidia simply because the support notebook gpu`s , without mobility modder ATI user would be stuck with STOCK drivers.

    I think there is very little difference between ATI and NVIDIA in performance terms.

    Though i am upset about the way NVIDIA has handled the faulty GPU fiasco.
     
  49. catacylsm

    catacylsm Notebook Prophet

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    Im fine with what ATI provides for drivers, yes there slow, but heck, atleast the cards are based off there desktop counter parts :)

    And even stock perform admirably for meeeeeee.
     
  50. Apollo13

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    Right now, I prefer ATI. They've got some very good value cards out there (desktop 4770 probably being the best), and it's a good/worthwhile way of supporting AMD without supporting AMD processors. That is, I don't want AMD to go the way of the dinosaur, but their mobile processors have been so pitiful compared to Intel lately that I really couldn't see myself buying an AMD mobile processor in any situation.

    The other factor is the way nVIDIA handled the overheating situation. I'd rather trust ATI that their products are working correctly after that. Sure, nVIDIA says their GT 200 series isn't faulty, but they said the same about the 8/9 series, too (and some say even the 7 series was faulty). And sure, my 8600M GT is working fine, but that doesn't make how they handled the situation right.

    So, if I were to buy a laptop today, I'd give ATI-based laptops extra-strong consideration, particularly 3850/3870/4650/4850, although since so many more laptops are nVIDIA-based, and a good number of ATI ones sport AMD processors, I can't guarantee I'd buy ATI. If I were buying a desktop, I'd almost certainly buy ATI. No reason not to when I can get a 4770 for $99 or a 4890 for $199.
     
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