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Hey Chaz,

Maybe you could post the two threads in my signature to your sticky.

Thanks,
Leon

 

Thanks, I added them.

 

HI

Im currently waiting for my new notebook to arrive
which has a 256MB Ati Mobility Radeon HD2600 GPU.

I know that from all the helpful people here that the HD2600
is more than good enough to run all of my favourite games
very well but im just curious to know how this GPU will perform
compared to the 8600M GT, as ive heard the performance of these
two cards are very similar if not identical?

Thanks

 

The HD2600 is the direct competitor to the 8600m GS. It seems to be just under 8600m GT (little better than GS)

 

Yes they are similar basically the same. Read some other threads there are tons of them about these two cards.

 

Review down there. GDDR3 2600HD = 8600 GT DDR2 1/2

 

8600GT DDR2 1/2? whats the 1/2 mean?

Anyhow 8600GT GDDR3 > HD2600 GDDR3 > 8600GT GDDR2 > HD2600 GDDR2. Roughly about a 10% jump in performance between each one.

 

2 and a half means its in between GDDR3 and DDR2 of the 8600 GT

It's just my goofy way of saying it.

 

Of course it depends on the app and even settings, where they'll flip flop with even the lowest beating the best, playing to different stengths in the designs.

In general it may follow the above GF8700>HD2600XT>GF8600GTGDDR3>HD2600GDDR3>etc. but they still fluxate alot depending on the game.

Also for video playback pretty much HD2K of similar class outperforms the GF8 of similar class.

But for all this, it still comes down to the drivers alot, so be sure you can grab the latest or moded ones.

 

bump. Sorry, this thing is really ignored if it's light blue.

 

I thought the Geforce Go 7300 was better then the x3100 but under Vista my machine scores 3.5 for desktop graphics and 3.0 for gaming graphics, the machine with same CPU/Memory but x3100 scores 3.4 for desktop graphics and 3.5 for gaming graphics.

Why is the x3100 scoring higher then my Go 7300 is it becuase the x3100 supports dx10?

 

Just one word: SEARCH (no offense)
This was brought up couple times and there should be a big thread about

 

Both cards suck for gaming, and the scores are off because the WEI sucks as well.

 

Please remember that WEI is nothing but a load of -you know what-, the benchmark is useless and inaccurate. Don't worry about it, the 7300 will always be better than the x3100.

 

Yes, it' because the X3100 'theoretically' supports DX10.

So when the drivers sort themselves out 0.5fps in DX10 and then 70% the fps performance in DX9 is supposed to give the nod to the X3100.

The GF7300 will actually give you better performance in games though, and since both will be running in either DX9 or DX8/8.1 mode the GF7300 should walk all over the X3100. Also when any game finally is DX10 only, I doubt the X3100 would be able to play it's intro splash screen let alone the game itself unless it's DX10 Chess.

As mentioned the windows tool is terrible as a predictor of anything real-world.

 

Thanks for this ultimate thread. Helped me alot

 

thanks for the info!

 

The useful The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page is gone?

"No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

 

A comparison of the 8600GT and the 8600GS with reliable benchmarks. Might be worth adding.

 

well you just replyed to me and im sure you can change your graphics card to another one so what could i change it to from a ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphic?

 

My Dell inspiron e1705 laptop has been fantastic, but it's getting on in years now. I still have the mobility Radion X1400 that came with it, and despite all the warnings, I think I'm going to take the plunge and try to get a new card in it.

But which one? It seems like there are quite a few now that are all a significant step up from my current one:


GeForce Go 7800 GS
GeForce Go 7800 GTX
GeForce Go 7900 GS
GeForce Go 7900 GTX
GeForce Go 7950 GTX

I feel like all of these are probably so far beyond what I currently have, that incremental differences between them might not be too important (is this true?). But I am curious about things like heating and battery usage. Just how much worse are they than what I have in this department? And is there much difference in this respect between them?

Also, the only way I currently see to get a hold of one is to order one refurbished off ebay. Does anyone know a more reliable channel for this? Has anyone here had a good experience getting a refurbished card for a laptop?

 

OK, my thread got moved here, but my question isn't really answered by the posts up top. I'm wanting to know how to distinguish the cards I mentioned, not just know that all of them happen to be high-end cards.

And I can indeed upgrade my laptop. There are plenty of step by step examples of folks who have done it, including pictures.

I don't think any of my questions were out of line - any chance I could find some answers?

 

All of those video cards are outdated; yes, a step up from an X1400, but unless you are getting the card for dirt cheap and are sure you can upgrade your Inspiron, then you're better off putting the money into a new notebook. You may end up having to buy a larger power adapter for your notebook to support the new graphics card.

Those Nvidia cards will probably consume at least 2x as much power, 3x more under load. You will be cutting your battery life significantly.

The difference is large between the 7800GS and the 7950GTX. The 7900GTX is very close to the 7950GTX. Try to get one that has 512MB of memory for the latest games.

You could try going through Dell to get the card. Remember though, unless the card is dirt cheap (>$200), then don't bother.

 

hi guys...i wanna know which graphic card is better..the ati mobility radeon 4570 or the ati mobility radeon 3650.purpose is moderate gaming and graphic simulation.

 

This gives an nice indication:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

3650 seems to be faster.

 

Not a lot between then , depends if GDDR3 and core/mem clocks

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Grafic-Cards.130.0.html

 

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 and ATI Mobility HD Radeon 3650 I presumed?
Both of them is considered as 2nd-Class graphic card.

*Note: Graphic cards are judged on Memory Bus Width(most important) and then Memory type(DDR thingy) as well as the amount of memory(for example: XXXX-ForceGe "512MB", XXXX-Model "128MB", XXXX-6650 "256MB"). After that, check the Memory Clock(MHz), Shader Clock(MHz) and Core Clock(MHz).

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570 specification,
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-4570.13885.0.html

ATI Mobility HD Radeon 3650 specification,
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3650.8839.0.html

The information above might not be 100% accurate.

 

so which one shud i prefer??

 

What are the notebook Manufacturer`s and Model numbers?

 

The 3650 is better by a very decent margin.

 

the notebook models are dell studio 15 and dell studio 17.I was all for studio 15(model is 1555) due to its smaller size(15.4'') and hence less weight.

 

Yeah the HD3650 is significantly more powerful than the HD4570. The HD4570 is limited by its 64bit bus as well as lower amount of shaders and lower clocks.

 

You're needed to check is the model of the laptop, ATI M Radeon HD 4570 is running 64bit or 128bit memory bus width. Because ATI M Radeon HD 4570 have 64bit version and 128bit version.
If it is 64bit. Forget ATI M Radeon HD 4570.
Take ATI M Radeon HD 3650(this graphic card is 128bit memory bus width).

However, if ATI M Radeon HD 4570 is 128bit version than it will be superior than ATI M Radeon HD 3650.

 

The Studio 15 uses a 64bit HD4570 I'm pretty certain of that. I'll try looking it up though.

Besides, even at 128bit, the HD3650 would outperform it by a given margin due to 50% more shaders and more transistors. The higher clocks of the HD4570 can be neglected as the HD3650 can be overclocked(to HD3670 standards) and have the same clocks.

I'm speaking of the GDDR3 HD3650 of course.

 

how would you guys rate mobility 4650 vs. 3650? would 4650 come out as the better graphics for gaming?

 

What you said was true.
What I mean in the previous post was just looking at the Clocks XD!
I totally forgot about transistors.
I think HD 3650 can be easily overclock to HD 3670. Since, they are almost alike.
ATI M Radeon HD 3670 is much much much better than ATI M Radeon HD 4570.

Question:
ATI graphic card better than Nvidia?

 

I am buying just a cheap laptop, my version of a netbook just for minor computing to compliment my desktop. I had a netbook for a while but i wanted to be able to play games slightly better at still a cheaper price so i've decided on one of the cheap 400$ systems at bestbuy but i can't decide which will offer a better graphics performance as i can't find benchmarks for the 8200m.

Any idea on which would be better, I only do it for very light gaming, like playing wow with all bells and whistles off for 25+ fps which i know they can both do.

The laptops are nearly identical. Only game changer is if the 8200m g is faster then the x4500.

Compaq

Toshiba

Those are the 2 laptops i am trying to decide on, unless someone has something a little better for gaming around the 350-450$ mark.

 

The 8200M G is probably better out of those two; it will be at least more compatible with games.

But the compaq with the 8200m is 1lb heavier than the other one. Both appear to have around 1.6 - 2 hours battery life.

 

ya, bettery life is pretty much the same, processor performance doesnt really matter to me as long as it's dual core for vista, i forgot to check out the weight, not that it'd be that much of an issue for me but yea.

Aesthetically, the Compaq looks way better then the toshiba as i stopped in to see them both in person.

 

The 4650 is much better. It has an excellent performance.

 

Can someone give me a quick comparison between the ATI 3450HD and nVidia NVS160? The HP 6930P uses the former and the Lenovo T400 and Dell E6400 use the latter, all with 256MB of video RAM onboard. Is there any particular reason to choose one over the other from a gaming standpoint?

 

Please post your question here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=302231

Thanks.

 

Crash,

Sorry I know you are busy but... I have an HDX 18 q9000 8gb ddr3 ram with the 130m gt video card and I am wondering if I can swap it for a 280m or something with a little better performance..

My goofy reason (I do not edit Video) is I am going to swap one of my HDD for a SSD (OS or Read only, was my goal) and if they are going to be under the hood any way..

Would you be so kind as to point me in the right direction?

If you are caught up time wise with real stuff I DO understand and no biggie.

My best to you and yours and I love the Shark, JW

 

Hi JWnFL,

Unfortunately as with virtually all notebooks, the HDX 18t does not have an upgradeable GPU. See this thread for more info: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=86864

Welcome to NBR, go Sharks

 

Thank you for the steerage..

The HDX (mine is a q9000, 8gb ddr3 and twin 250gb 7200rpms) is great for work but not a lot of ways to upgrade or play with it going forward.

The Sager looks like a good machine and I have read good things about it here but I would want the 18.4 with an i-7 with twin video cards which is not an option. You can have the twins in 18.4 config or a 17" with an i-7..

If you know of a good machine that is upgradable that you like or have had luck with if you would let me know that would be great. I am not a pro like you but I like to tinker so I think I will learn a lot as I go through the process.

Thanks for being understanding with the non-pro's like myself I am sure I am not alone in being thankful for your tolerance of the non-ninja computer set (which is me and some others here I have seen).

My best to you and yours, JW

 

You're welcome. I'm glad you're enjoying your notebook so far. Unfortunately notebooks in general usually have very limited upgrading capabilities due to many things being integrated.

It is extremely rare to find a laptop with user-upgradeable GPUs, and when you do find one, the GPUs you can upgrade to are very limited, hard to get, and expensive. There are a few Sager/Clevo and Dell notebooks that offer user-upgradeable graphics, but it's honestly not worth the effort to upgrade them.

If you'd like more info on which specific laptops offer user-upgradeable GPUs, I recommend posting a thread in the gaming forum about it because this isn't exactly my forte. Sorry to be the bearer of (somewhat) bad news.

 

Crash,

You have been great.. they would not let me rep you again.. It is great that people who are ninja's take the time for white belts.. if you get what I am saying.. I am really looking for a dual gpu monster with and i7 and then a raid 5 ssd.. if that makes sense.. but I would like to be able to fix the machine if I burn a GPU up or maybe upgrade the chip if a better one comes along..

They make the laptops disposable for a reason I guess but for people who are willing to spend the big dollars for the toys they should let us mod them becuase we are paying the big bucks..

My HDX is great.. stable not problems except the finger print scanner but I would love the 280m or even the 285m to replace my 130m..

Considring HP locks everyone out of the bios.. then I would buy a Clevo after market machine but now you have my chicken of being in the same boat.. except I would be spending bigger dollars for no way to fix a bad card or mod it for speed..

Sorry to go on and on.. you have been great.. but after reading the ASUS guys talk about the occing the gpu's thru the BIOS I really wanted to get into trying some things and learning as I go..

Mybe it is just not meant to be..

Be well Crash and good luck with your Sharks I hope they do better than my Dolphins..

JW

 

The HDX has a MXM 2 (1 thru 4 I am not clear on yet) slot on its Mobo.

It is possible to change the GPU but the BIOS in all HP stuff is locked.

The other problem is the 200 series is a MXM 3, which equals more power and no room to double up for any kind of sli even if it where in the machine which it is not.

I have to wait for a MXM 2 that has more power.

Thanks for the info though, JW

 

Added a thread about punkbuster issues: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5285524#post5285524

 

bump. the gpu vs gpu threads are kinda outta hand.