RTS games no longer exist?

It been years now since we have seen a normal base building RTS game. I wonder if RTS games will not be made anymore? Such a huge blow to the PC community if this is the case.

Starcraft II does not count.

 

They may deem base-builing an out fashioned idea and i think they will give up that mod also in upcoming new generation company of heroes .There is a base building game as I can call so far within these two years which is RUSE, somewhat atypical though. Anyway, i dont know much about others since i stick on those war games only.

 

Supreme Commander 2 was the last half decent one back in 2010 that I know of, the original was the best IMO

I prefer RTS games as well.

 

I as well. Homeworld series and Hearts of Iron are my favorite RTS games.

 

Supreme Commander, Homeworld, AOE2 and Age of mythology have to be my top picks

 

The entire Total War series, being Rome my top choice

World in Conflict

Red Alert 2

Europa Universalis 3

those are my top pics.

You could try playing Empire at War with the mod Republic at war, it revitalizes the game greatly.

EDIT: I forgot about sins of a solar empire, lovely

 

I believe Dawn of War 3 will be going back to its roots as a true RTS.

 

I give anything to be able to play the battle for middle earth II again. You can't buy that game anywhere and only the expansion work with window 7. I'm hoping gog might have it someday.


I been meaning to ask but is there anywhere I can buy Diablo II (not III) that work with window 7. I have never play Diablo II but have watch other play and it seem really fun.

 

question: why does starcraft not count?

 

All Diablo II works with Windows 7. You just need to change the compatibility setting for the .exe.

 

Blizzard sells digital copies of Diablo 2 at the Battle.net store.

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Company of Heroes definitely deserves mention here.

 

C&C Generals 2 is due out next year. Generals 1 was my fav RTS and I'm hoping the sequel delivers.

 

But Starcraft II is an RTS...

"Why don't they make military shooters anymore? Call of Duty and Battlefield don't count!"

 

Yeah, but there's also Max Payne 3, the new Crysis, the new Ghost Recon, Duke Nukem, Serious Sam 3, Saints Row 3, etc. They have a lot of gameplay paces to choose from, and quite a variety.

I also love the RTS genre the best, but Starcraft 2 is the only recent option, and it is way too fast for me. I don't play it at all.

Sins of a Solar Empire is technically a RTS, but it is more of a real time 4X game, so it doesn't count either.

I think we can mostly just wait for Company of Heroes 2.

 

I still play Forged Alliance regularly with friends.

 

Generals was surprisingly pretty awesome, hopefully they actually try and cater to how the game was played rather than what EA tried to make the game (i.e. I bet they envisioned it to be a much longer controlled battle rather than what it really played out to be online)

 

COH is amazing, but it not the standard RTS game. It only a small base building game and it more of a tactical RTS than a traditional one.

I can't wait for General 2 if it is coming out, but seeing how EA destroy the C&C3 universe and BF3 series, I'm expecting a downgrade, and I really hope I am wrong.

Any news on Age of Empire IV if there is one?

 

And I think that CoH is RTS at its most purer, distilled form.

I completely suck at it, mind you, but it has everything - some nice base buildings, defensive buildings and options, unit upgrades, customized special 'powers' and its heavy use of tactics is what makes it better, not worse.

This means that just rushing up the tech tree and getting the bigger guns doesn't guarantee you the victory whatsoever, as cheap AT units can annihilate your big, heavy metal monsters in a matter of a few well placed shots. And the fact that you can't just build an unlimited army based on resources, select everyone en masse and throw them on the enemy is just what this genre needed (before it faded away, that is).

And again, even though I'm really quite bad at it, I can't help but appreciate the game's intricacies. It really doesn't get any better than this.

 

C&C Generals Zero Hour
Company of Heroes
Sins of a Solar Empire

About all you'll need to keep yourself happy pretty much forever.

 

You can't even shoot and break the glass in COD4:MW lol, what a joke.

 

I love Starcraft 1&2!! True, no recent good RTS games.... (other than sc2)
These are the ones I like from RTS type:
Red alert 1,2&3 - specially 3, really is fun playing with friends.
C&C general zero hour - currently waiting for Generals 2
AOE 1&2 - never really liked 3, guns was no good, miss old days building wonders and waiting a 1000 years to pwn AI, LOL
And the winner is Starcraft! 1&2 - playing with friends never was this fun

PS : just remembered that sc2 doesn't count, am too lazy to hit backspace, not lazy to write this haha

 

Baka preferred Red Alert 2 over 3 ._.

Baka also loves Company of Heroes

Most RTS games lately are in different form. Some in CoH style like DoW2. Some in the Total War games style. RUSE is fun too

Baka thinks that most people are thinking that they do not want to compete with Starcraft 2 for now since Heart of The Swarm is coming soon. If they release one with the classic style base building, it'll just get compared to SC2.

 

Aside from the things in category X, there's nothing in category X.

Travesty and somber inference ensue.

 

Just found myself in this very same situation OP have now got bored of all the mods and maps for company of heroes even though it is awesome the skirmish only has a limited lifespan.

Starcraft 2 was good but again limited once you have built everything and played everything it is a spent force. Really really need a new Command and Conquer although I am quite liking Tiberium Alliances there is nothing else I can get into. Warhammer Dark Omen what a game that was

 

Age of Empires 3 is by far my favorite. I have logged 100s of hours in that game and still play a couple of matches per week with friends.

 

Speaking of Generals ZH: Rise of the Reds GLA Beta 1.7 download - Mod DB

It's from the guys that made Shockwave MOD.

 

Starcraft 2 most certainly DOES count.

 

Most RTS games have gone primarily action strategy, with an emphasis on action.

 

I almost want to say Star Wars : empire at war but the games land combat is completely overshadowed by space battles.

 

I agree the land battles were just poor.

just install Republic at war mod in it, and see if you can hold things on medium difficulty

However I have played on the early release, there was a patch to address the high level of difficulty that it presented the gamer.

 

That's how they've always been. Because without an emphasis on action, they'd be turn-based strategy, not real-time strategy.

 

Oh gosh. You're right.

The EMPHASIS has been a lot more ACTION instead of the STRATEGY element.

 

I can't WAIT for the new Company of Heroes! Snow levels?! Heck yes! Tire/tread tracks left in the snow for the whole duration of the game?! Oh heck yes!!!

 

I think Homeworld 2 is the best RTS game ever made. I still play it with friends every couple of weeks or so, and with all of the mods and maps for it you can keep playing new stuff for a good while.

 

for those waiting on coh2 you may want to try out this mod:

Company of Heroes: Modern Combat - Mod DB

updates coh to modern times, us vs china in the pacific.

 

I'm still playing Age of Empires II: The Conquerors and Rise of Nations: Thrones & Patriots. You cannot beat them anyway, so why bother trying?

 

Man I bought CoH awhile back on a steam sale for like $5 and never really played it. Makes me want to play it now.

And yes SC2 should count. One of the best!

I love the DoW2 series but that's certainly gone away from the base building, although I heard the latest expansion has more base building than action RPG.

*edit*

let's do it.

 

COH is amazing but I want more out of it. I don't play online, I have never play any RTS games online for that matter. I just wish the map was bigger and a higher population and building cap....


UNLESS there is a mod for it?


It a good game but after the main campaign there is nothing for me. I just want more out of it even though I might be a unique case.

Zero hour was fun a long time ago and I got bore with SOASE the first 1 hour in.

I know about this game and I want to know if there is any upcoming or recently release RTS and beside SC II there doesn't seem to be any.

Thanks for the input

 

SOASE is a bit slow to get started, but once you get going, it is actually quite intense. But it does require lots of time to play a game. These days I want/can only get in and get out in short sessions like 30 mins or less, which is why I like BF3 so much. I can get in and get out on a whim.

 

Glad you like BF3, as for me I regret wasting my money on a dumb down BF2 or PC experience.

 

What really bothers me is that they haven't made any sequels to Call of Duty since Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare in 2007.

Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2,
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3,
Call of Duty World at War,
Call of Duty Black Ops,
Call of Duty Black Ops II...

... don't count.

 

CoD 4: MW was very unique and a fun game, primarily single player. But yeah, after that the rest were just meh. I still enjoyed the SP game, but still haven't played the MW3 SP yet, and won't until it costs < $10.

 

the call of duty 4 single player game was absolutely epic and was one of the most polished scripted event style experiences of all time. other aspects of the game and all subsequent releases have been bland.

 

To each his own, of course, but the Skirmish is actually excellent, way above the campaign. There are some very large maps, and yes, there are mods for population cap increases (which kinda ruins the point, IMO) but again, if you like that sort of thing you can do that perfectly fine.

Regarding SoaSE, again - it is not a RTS. It's a 4X turn-based game turned real time, which I like very much. And yeah, the battles on multiple fronts can get quite intense if you're not too careful.

And I agree with HTWingNut, here. Too much click-click-click per second turns stuff like Starcraft 2 into an action game from an isometric perspective. It doesn't mean that it has no strategy in it, it just requires so much agility that average strategy players like me have a very hard time keeping up until it becomes too much work and not enough fun.

 

THIS! Exactly. When your reflex skills are tested more than your strategy, it's definitely more action oriented. In SC2 people brag about their APM and how quickly they can rush, not about how best to flank or infiltrate an enemy camp. Games with a more macro focus on strategy are true strategy games IMHO. Games like Total War are pretty phenomenal like this. Even CoH isn't too much click-fest. With stronger defense than offense in the beginning which requires strategy to finally get at the opponent.

 

I agree 100%. I spend some time looking for RTS the last couple of months and only found SC2 (ok) and Red Alert 3 Uprising (Short!)

Pretty pathetic! Where is Dungeon Keeper 3? Homeworld 3? Even Red Alert 3 uprising had one campaign where you control one unit with super powers...how boring!

I also think is disgusting that the final C&C installment didn't involve base building. EA throwing away 15 games of RTS heritage and history to please the current obviously very incompetent mainstream gamer.

Basically I played DK2 and will replay Homeworld next. Why do we need new GPU/CPU tech when games are so rubbish!? In the meantime I economically upgrade and keep wishing and hoping for the best....

 

No offense, but how can you possibly get a kick out of playing against AI only? Almost all RTS AI are repetitive, easily exploitable, show zero adaptability and the only tough AI's are ones that cheat (i.e. free resources etc). The whole draw of RTS as being an extended Chess match between opponents mind games is what really draws me to the genre in the first place.

Co-op Lan was a different story, but LAN gaming has been effectively killed off by the gaming industry.

I think its a pretty big misnomer that SC2 requires high APM - you can reach top echelons of normal play with APM's as low as in the 80's (which is VERY easy to achieve for almost anyone really). Flanking, 'infiltrating' enemy camp etc are all ESSENTIAL to starcraft - just because there aren't inbuilt damage modifiers doesn't mean it has no advantage in the game. The same defender's advantage exists.

I thought CoH required excellent micromanagement - your units had to be CONSTANTLY on the move, you can't just leave squads around not capping, so I'm not sure about what you mean as not "too much of a click-fest".

Total War is quite a different kettle of fish, but its draw to me was largely the macro-turn based strategy that you played out. The real time battles were entertaining, no doubt, but in shone far more on the grand stage, especially rome and medieval.

CnC 4 was one I had discarded as well, but it is perhaps surprisingly tactful (especially compared to the tank spam-fests that was CnC 3. They tried something new that didn't work out... props for trying something new, but yeah, EA shouldn't have let Kane go out like that.

 

But the point is APM is actually a measureable for the game. It shouldn't be at all. Flanking doesn't work well because units turn on a dime, shoot in any direction simultaneously. There is no mechanic where units have to take time to turn and shoot. Out of the gate there is ZERO defense. None. Most maps no natural barriers or anything preventing you from reaching the other player. No natural defensive structures you can occupy and defend with just a few basic units until you can build up more powerful units.

You can get by in CoH without much clicking at all. And units at a point will go defensive on their own and hold off enemies for a while instead of just acting dumb and getting killed.

I agree it is more slower paced strategy, probably more tactical than anything.

 

While I don't mean to bore you all with a philosophical debate, the thing people need to remember is that playing games is ultimately about a way of passing time, to enjoy - to have fun.

While your fun, niharjhatn, might be having the ultimate challenge, the rush of beating your opponent, proving who is the better player and winning at all costs, my type of fun is taking my time to think and relax, win - but not at all costs, and having some downtime between the great responsibilities in life.

Both sides of the spectrum need to understand that each approach is completely valid.

While you're completely right that CoH requires a high amount of micromanagement and high 'APM' to constantly get your units to go-go-go (which is probably the reason I suck at it so much), I can appreciate many things it does right. For example, I once held a major point in CoH with a half destroyed building as makeshift barracks, two AT guns, a few marines and one machine gunner crew against a never ending onslaught of enemy armor and infantry. I should have just moved around the map 'capping', but I felt perfectly fine hunkering down and harassing the AI all around the map. I ultimately lost that game which took around two and a half hours to complete (an almost eternity in CoH terms) but I've had so much fun doing it.

In Starcraft 2, in that kind of scenario I would have been rightfully crushed like a bug with a rush or a well placed attack after mere minutes, be ridiculed for a few seconds (which is another reason I prefer playing against the AI) and ignored as a loser. I see where the fun in that for the better, quicker player, but where is the fun in that for me? The only answer gamers from your 'camp' to that is to shrug and tell me to go practice. The only point in games is to practice, practice and practice some more just to be an ace and defeat others? Not for me, it isn't.

And luckily, there are many games where my type of fun is very much endorsed, like the Total war games, Age of Empires 2, Rise of Nations, SoaSE, and Supreme Commander 1 and 2, among the few that were mentioned in this thread, while Starcraft 2 is definitely not one of them, high APM or not.