RTX 3080 trumps 2080ti by a whopping margin

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-design-leak/
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvid...chmarks-just-leaked-and-amd-should-be-worried

Looks like the new cards and not even ti variants will boost 30 percent to 25 percent over non consumer cards like the rtx titan and at least 35 percent over the 2080ti...


I'm personally stuck with my 1060 laptop but will be most likely getting a 3080ti egpu setup to run ps5 ports and Im pretty sure the 8750h will hold up well compared to the ryzen 2 architecture. and I will be gaming at 1080p ( to the skeptics) and i'm still not sure if its even possible to get 1080p 60fps running on ps5 ports even if on ps5 they are running at 4k 120fps..optimisation this upcoming generation is going to be insane.

 

I've read all the leak articles. I am going to save my speculation for seeing reviews of actual launch hardware.

 

yeah but everytime this happens and it happens to be true

 

And this coming from linus... a known shill.

Regardless I wont hold my breath for 3000. Most games I play suffer enough from utilization problems enough as it is, though I suppose the real potential is actually 4k 120hz + gaming.

 

Over the past few years I've found that jumping a generation between purchases is a good value even for high end hardware. Before the current 2080 I had a 980m laptop and while it was still powerful enough and nowhere near obsolete, the jump in performance to the 2080 laptop was big enough to offset the higher price. If we consider time frames, this would translate to 2-3 years.

On the other hand, I am not impressed by the build quality of the current generation laptops and if things don't drastically change in the next couple years, I'm going back to building a desktop.

 

Ya most laptops are enclosed in plastic frames, with the only real exception being workstation laptops, though a few magnesium alloy framed ones are out now. If it where possible to switch out shells I would, though that would be an exponential amount of work, and laptops are over priced enough as it is. Its really a shame laptop building has not taken off.

 

its funny people keep saying Linus is a shill.

the rumors are all over the place so yeah. we should have something concrete by the end of August.

 

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linus is more negative than positive and I don't see how hes a shill, he has 11m subs and you probably have 200 singular subs...stop being so jealous the guy came from nothing into something great, I love his input and at least he knows what hes talking about..like seriously you think your better?

 

more like 100 percent of the time it is!!

like dude I dont know if you just joined NBR but these leaks have never been wrong. its a leak not speculation

 

I was just pulling your leg, man. The sentence that you wrote, which I quoted, instantly made me think of that line from Anchorman.

 

Well he is entertaining for sure.

 

The upside as always is 2080 prices will drop even further retail (as they clear out stock) and used market as a glut of 2080ti's will make their way to eBay and other outlets.

Or I might go "new" again and get a 3000 series (or wait for Big Navi and see what they have to offer).

I'm running a 5700xt + an old HP ZR30 QHD.

My next logical step is a >30" 4k display and a card powerful enough to drive games @ 4k.

 

yeah I know dude....I'm rarely serious I was raised in a sarcastic joking home/upbringing

 

But when you cut the power to laptop levels will it really be a significant improvement?

 

well 1060 laptop vs desktop wasn't too big of a jump hopefully they cut the difference again and laptop vs desktop becomes negligible.

ok so i looked up a valley benchmark of the 1060 and it scored 62.1fps my laptop which has really good cooling gets 65fps so yeah the laptop/desktop are basically equal and theirs a chance the 3080 versions will be tied the same way.

 

Everyone knows this will be a 50 percent jump and if your in the market it would be wise to wait for the mobile 3080

 

This is what i'm thinking since the 3090 is rumoured to be a 350W part.

 

We probably won't see the mobile variants until Early 2021. They still need to deal with TDP limits moreso in notebooks than desktop cards, it will be challenging for them to get the kind of RUMORED (remember no one has independently tested even the desktop cards yet) performance gain we are hearing about for desktop since the ALSO RUMORED TDP of the desktop cards is quite a bit higher than the RTX 2000 series.

No one wants to have to sink 25% more power in a laptop and have it go to hair-dryer mode to get massive gains. The 3090 board power is rumored to be 400W, which is much more than the 250W that the 2080Ti is rated. If I recall the 3080 rumored board power was 350W. I don't trust any of it though until we see reviewers like Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus et al. get their hands on them. If it all turns out to be true, that's great, I couldn't buy a rumored unreleased product anyway so it didn't matter.

But lets also remember that we're not seeing these numbers in any type of context, and also IT'S ALL STILL RUMOR and we have no verifiable facts at all. I say we just wait until products are actually shipping before trying to speak definitively about it.

I'm going to be in the market for a new desktop card since I'm not going back to using laptop dGPU and will use eGPU instead. I'm definitely going to wait to see what AMD releases before buying anything. If it means playing Cyberpunk 2077 on my current system, so be it.

 

I'm thinking Nvidia naming their initial high end card 3090 means a TI version may be released? What you guys think? If the rumor 1400$ price for a 3090 is true, we might see a 2K plus TI 500W version lmao!

 

I'm thinking the mainstream laptop high end is going to use wording like "Max Q" which will be operating with a lot less consumption. Even the dual power supply clevo laptops would need bigger bricks; not saying no one will go there but it wont be anything close to mainstream. I've actually enjoyed having so called 2k res and my desktop 1080, it's enough power to drive the screen in everything I've tried so far to decent frame rates at that resolution and to my eye looks great on a 17' screen. It also means I can run in the native res at the desktop, not something this old man could do with 4k. I'd want more with a bigger screen but I did a 19" laptop and that was too much trouble to pack around so 17'' is really my target. I think it could be pretty good with whatever their top mobile Max Q'ish part is, 2k, 17", good enough for my laptop. Or at least that's my hope, the parts will have to prove me right before I go there.

 

Yeah the tdp does seem high.. probably a small gain over the mobile 2080 super as they will have too cut the power draw by two thirds

 

Mobile 3080 will be further crippled vs desktop cards. Mobile 3080 will most likely still be capped at 200W TGP.

 

Yeah at the time of posting I was unaware of tdp values and unless Nvidia works some magic this could be a disappointing year

 

I'll need to see how the rtx 3070/3080 actually performs in medium sized laptops before i jump to conclusions that mobile 3000 cards will only be a hair faster than mobile 2000 series cards. Nvidia did claim a 1.9x perf/watt improvement. Even if thats just marketing BS, gpus do get exponentially more efficient as they are underclocked so we may get 70% of the performance at 40% the power draw.

To be honest, I hope the inefficiency of the 3000 series drives up average gpu tdps in laptops as it will force laptop makers to innovate and create really efficient cooling deigns. That and if it forces nvidia to kill off Max-q gpus, good riddance.

That said, I do plan on waiting for 5nm Nvidia Hopper for an efficiency boost. And in the meantime I'll be investing in a VR setup to tide me over.

 

TGP aside, it uses 320bit memory, so I doubt that we'll see this on a laptop. We'll have to wait and see.

 

Ok guys. I'm on a cell during my vacation and I just watched digital Foundry exclusive look at the 3080...brace yourself...I was wrong it's not a 50 percent increase...it's a whopping 60 to 80 percent faster...un fricken believable

 

At the cost of +95W (+42%) TDP vs 2080 Founders Edition. Mobile 3080 will most likely be castrated with same awful TGP as for Mobile 2080 (S). 200W vs. 320W.

Imagine if 3080 Max-Q come at 80/110W vs the real 3080 at 320W

 

Honestly I'm not very impressed. It looks like around 35% performance per watt improvement at around 150W despite a major process node change. Most of that 35% improvement is due to a bigger core allowing for lower voltages to maintain performance. Clocks are down on the entire 30 series indicating a big voltage dropoff. PPW improvement will likely be only around 20% for the 100W range of mobile parts.

This is interesting for the modding scene though. Power limit mods are going to bring major performance increases, but also insane amounts of power draw. With how fast these cards are though you need 4k 120Hz screens to actually need the extra speed.

 

Nvidia is always able to bring desktop laptop closer correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this then the same jump from Maxwell to pascal

 

On paper. No. In real world without RT or in benchmarks. We will have to see.


https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-everything-we-know

 

The card is being tested it was released to digital Foundry...they are seeing 80 percent gains

 

I just saw a rumor somewhere that they are expecting to be supply constrained until 2021. I guess that makes sense because

1. It's new and they are always supply constrained at first
2. They want to give people anxiety that are thinking about waiting to see what AMD does to pull the trigger on release day. LOL

 

Yep. Insane performance gains.

 

Can't wait!

 

Saw this advertisement on the right hand side. had to share it...

 

Oh wow that was a 3080 3090 is double that

 

3090 is theoretically only 20% faster, probably less in practice.

 

The custom 8N process is derived from a 10nm+ process which is why the efficiency gains arent as big.

And I do think that the ampere cards are downclocked to be more efficient so im expecting huge gains by shunt modding the cards.

 

Well, I would like to see some user reviews before I go for it but I trust Digital Foundry. If that's so, I will jump ship to desktop; tired of waiting for 17", 4k >120Hz screens to pop up as well as seeing throttled gpus on laptops from nvidia..

 

Desktop 3080 will eat 320W. I was planning on buying the next iteration of Razer Blade Pro with RTX 3080, and those are usually capped at 90W. It’s not going to be anywhere near close to the desktop 3080. Power consumption for ampere is nuts, but it’s fitting for the architecture name.

comparison: GTX 980 was a 180W card for desktops. Laptop 980M would eat 100-120W depending on the VBIOS and power delivery components (note, NOT THE MOBILE 980) and that was 20-40% away from the real desktop 980 performance. Nvidia should have just stuck with the M suffix for their GPUs because they will never ever be anywhere near their desktop counterparts.


Who knows what the deal will be for Mobile 3080. The Area51M tried to deliver desktop 2080 performance and ended up blowing mosfets right and left. Dell clamped down and reduced the max power consumption of the cards and nerfed them. Keep in mind desktop 2080 power consumption was around 225-230W at the time. Ampere is not wildly more efficient than Turing. The just made a fat core and fed it more power

 

The A51M had a poor design. There are so many others that handled the 200w 2080 well.

I'm hoping this forces laptop makers to innovate and come up with really good designs.

 

Can't wait to see Ampere in laptops, I hope we get 300W TDP for the max-p GPU. I think laptops can handle that kind of power. My laptop can handle 2x200W SLI GPU and keep it under 80ºC. I know is not the same but it can't be that far either

 

I'm looking for medium sized ones handling 200-250w with a novel cooling systems. Like a huge vapour chamber with fins all over it and not just at the exhausts.

 

What's a medium size laptop for you? 15 inch? I don't own a desktop PC (well I own one but just as a HTPC server) so I like desktop replacement kinda laptop where you could perfectly fit a 300W GPU

 

2.7-3.2kg laptops like the GE75/Scar 17

Not thin and light but not desktop replacement

 

How is a 6-7lb laptop supposed to sink 300W without sounding like a wind tunnel?

 

According to the laws of physics, it can’t. 300W will need a very beefy heat sink and fan setup

 

With Intel going for 10nm and more power effiency chips we will only see thinner and lighter models. Not thicker or heavier with adquate cooling. The cooling setup will follow same paths. Downwards. From worse to even more worse. Apple here we come. And some here dreaming about 250-320W graphics in tomorrows notebooks Jokebooks, LOOL

 

I did say this long back back, Intel 11th now has TB4 and Wifi 6 logic board soldered and also the RAM capped to 16GB LPDDR5 or slower DDR4.
I doubt most OEM will be able to handle 200W of 3080 Super, let alone 3090 Max-P/Q/A based mobile chips. One way they can leverage is through soldered DRAM/VRAM crossing 12GB for caching huge texture and lower GPU clocking to sub 900MHz and push to 4k 60 easily with DLSS 2.x. So, a combination of super fast NVMe, big VRAM and more RAM can turnaround mobile laptop gaming in theory. Even if they manage that, there will be heat and you need separate fans and impressive passive cooling to cool off PCIe4 SSD, 3800MHz+ DRAM, 4.5GHz-4.9GHz all core CPU and GPU clocks and DRAM freq. Thin and light books have it tough now.