RTX 3080 trumps 2080ti by a whopping margin

Then i'm not too sure since its also a relatively modern machine. Perhaps it was a buggy version?

 

The maximum GPU TGP listed on Nvidia control panel isn't always telling the truth notebookcheck.net

Nvidia Ampere GPUs for laptops have become notorious for their wide range of "crippled" power levels even between GPUs of the same model name. A mobile GeForce RTX 3080, for example, may reach peaks of 100 W or 150+ W depending on the laptop. An easy way to know what TGP your Ampere laptop is targeting is to open up the Nvidia control panel and check the system information window.

Unfortunately, laptops will not always reach their target TGP levels meaning you might purchase a model advertising "130 W graphics" only to see the GPU draw noticeably less when gaming (You're by this scammed). We recently reviewed the aforementioned Vector Pro which ships with a 165 W TGP GPU when in reality we could not reach anything above 130 W no matter the application.

 

This below doesn't look so good for coming gaming laptops. The performance differences between laptops and desktops will increase to the worse.... But you'll enjoy an very thin, lightweight, sleek and pretty gaming laptop. Apple people already enjoy the thin, slim and sick direction.

NVIDIA's Ada Lovelace GPU Allegedly Brings A 2X Uplift Over Ampere At Twice The Power hothardware.com

Forget for a moment that graphics cards are scarcer than unobtanium. We all know the situation by now, and it's still going to be a bit before things change. That said, new products will continue to manifest. For NVIDIA, that means an eventual GeForce RTX 40 series (if sticking with the the present naming convention) and rumor has it those next-gen parts will deliver a huge performance uplift, albeit at a cost.


Intel will follow Nvidia regarding castration of the amount cores and Nvidia drag it further. Yep, the HW manufacturers and the OEM treat the laptops as their unwanted stepchildren.

And we will se an new option to milk/screw the notebook gamers... 3080 Ti Laptop GPU as a new high end mobile graphics card. Now we will get two top dog cards who shouldn't be branded 3080.

 

Hilariously in the posted benchmark the Ti performance is actually worse. The authors in most of these 3080ti articles speculate that this is a max Q which explains why it was worse or the drivers are off... It's an omen 17 chassis that we all know can do 150w TDP+ reasonably...

Now if they actually allow non-gimped 200w+ TDP on the Ti chip, then we'd see potential gains in full size chassis....

 

https://mylaptopguide.com/asus-rog-...ked-comes-with-ryzen-9-6900hx-and-rtx-3080ti/

https://fccid.io/MSQG533Z

 

When I run GPU-Z on my laptop, it has seen a max draw of 171Watts drawn on my x170KM-G with a 165W 3080 which seems to be one of the highest. They need to release a 200Watt vbios for sure.

 

The RTX 3080Ti and the RTX 3070ti looks like a waste imo unless you're interested in Alder Lake.

Also the prices are pretty disgusting

 

As expected

 

Yep, Nvidia and the OEMs would kill a lot of the thunder with new refreshed gaming Jokebooks in 2022 if they continued with 200W TDP for 3080 as they did offer for previous top cards from the past. Add in the Ti moniker for the 3080 mobile is worth is weight in Gold. Pretty disgusting if you ask me @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox @Spartan@HIDevolution @jc_denton +++

 

With the rumored power requirements for Lovelace eclipsing Turing to the tune of 100-200W it's not looking good for notebooks to have anything resembling top tier silicon.

 

Most of them can barely manage what they have now. People will have to give up the freakish obsession with silent, thin and light notebooks with smartphone AC adapters if they want powerful components.

 

The bulky boat anchors aren't going to fare that well either.

 

Sadly, I don't think there are any of those anymore. When there was just one left, it had more compromises than I was willing to accept.

 

eGPU and cheapo laptops will be the future. Screw them. Both Nvidia and the notebook manufacturers can burn in hell with their overpriced soldered on mobile junk. I hope it will hit them hard where it hurts most.

 

No thank you. That's just not good enough. Better to go with nothing as the option as opposed to having a sucky future. Hell is too nice for them, but I can't think of anything worse, so I guess that will have to do.

 

I don’t talk about me. But I hope the Laptop jockey will buy cheap Jokebooks with cheapest possible mobile graphics and a no-branded eGPU. This would help kill the OEMs profits from gaming laptop sales. Let them all have to sell sub $500 Jokebooks in the future.

 

It would be hilarious if all of them lost billions and stopped selling them due to it being unprofitable and losses too harmful, leaving turdbook jockeys with the same acceptable options that we have... nada.

 

Speaking of which, I am in the market for a nice used power user laptop someone wants to sell that only persons like use would want to use. That aside, is it worth it at this point to jump to RTX? I am not a power gamer who demands the latest for games that barely use raytracing, and mainly do internet.

 

Yup and the gap between desktop and notebook GPUs performance will continue to get wider.

Notebooks are already limited enough so i dont expect anything to change.

 

What do you think will happen with graphics TDP/ performance vs desktops with next round of laptops chassis shrinkage? You just can't fill 20l water (cooling) into a 15l bag (chassis). Remember Apple go for HW with lower power consumption. And this to match the chassis size. The trend will continue. Both for Apple-books and Windows (gaming) laptops.



The bellwether for next gen laptop chassis thickness will never sleep... @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix @jc_denton @Spartan@HIDevolution @jclausius +++





https://www.reddit.com/r/Alienware/...?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

I'm not bothered by Dell's annuncements at all. They were a lost cause to me the moment they started using soldered parts. Going macbook pro thin is just a natural progression for them. Next thing you know they'll start making a macbook air competitor

 

If it's true that the power requirements of the 5nm GPUs are only going to be higher, my hope is that the manufacturers take that as a sign that they should bring back flagship DTR models for 2023.

If there was ever a time to design a thicker machine meant for running a higher TDP GPU, it'll be then.

 

And hopefully usher in a new era of more powerful 250w-300w dtrs

 

Eurocom's 780 watt laptop PSU should see more widespread use if that's the case, which hopefully it is.

Power draw is only a concern on battery power. Plugged in, let it roar!

 

Small and slim(y) pretty USB-C chargers will be more than enough to feed tomorows gaming jokebooks with power. You don't need an magic ball to see what will come.

USB-C is about to go from 100W to 240W, enough to power

Soon, the majority of portable PCs won’t need to be equipped with an ugly barrel jack and a proprietary power brick to charge. The USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) has just announced (via CNET) that it’s more than doubling the amount of power you can send over a USB-C cable to 240 watts, which means you’ll eventually be able to plug in the same kind of multipurpose USB-C cable you currently use on lightweight laptops, tablets, and phones to charge all but the beefiest gaming laptops.

 

https://videocardz.com/press-releas...tures-up-to-16-core-amd-ryzen-9-5950x-am4-cpu

It doesn't have MXM (when was that REALLY ever worthwhile anyway..) but here's at least an AM4 CPU at only 5.7lb...

Gamers probably shouldn't care, you can get a nicer to use one with a decent TDP 3080 already, the H CPUs aren't really a bottleneck. But this might be good for productivity needing top tier CPU.

 

Here's one more that help fill up the trend of thinner and slimmer gamingbooks. High performance DTRs is in minority aka Clevo with one single model and will die out with X170KM-G. Game over

LG launches UltraGear 17G90Q gaming laptop with GeForce RTX 3080 Max-Q videocardz.com



SEOUL, Dec. 20, 2021 — LG Electronics (LG) today unveiled its first gaming laptop (model 17G90Q), expanding its premium UltraGearTM lineup and bringing exciting news to gamers worldwide. A powerful performer with a seriously sleek design, the CES 2022 Innovation Award-winning laptop delivers sublime gaming experiences and the freedom to enjoy them anywhere, at any time.

Sharing DNA with LG’s lightweight gram laptops, the 17G90Q has a streamlined, highly-portable design. The new, slim laptop packs a large screen and an impressive 93Wh battery while maintaining a thickness of under 21.4 millimeters and a weight of less than 2.7 kilograms.

LG’s first gaming laptop will initially be available in the United States and South Korea from early 2022 with other markets to follow.

 

The lineup at CES 2023 is what determines the future of the gaming laptop market. Nothing between now and then matters.

 

Agreed

Especially when NVIDIA revealed the RTX 2050

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-G...nfusing-graphics-card-till-date.586560.0.html

Spoiler alert its slightly faster than the GTX 1650ti but the GTX 1660ti and RTX 3050 blows it out of the water.

 

Exactly

Nvidia has confirmed to Anandtech (and several others) that it is actually an Ampere part using a GA107 GPU; the same one found on the GeForce RTX 3050.

It has a TGP of 30-45W, base/boost clocks of 1,057/1,740MHz, and 2,048 CUDA cores. These specs put it between Turing-era GeForce GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 Ti, so one can't help but wonder why it was launched with an Ampere GPU. However, its worst spec by far is its 64-bit bus width.

At the very least, OEMs can slap an "RTX-enabled graphics card" label on their spec sheets as a marketing tactic. Yep, the RTX label will help the OEM push out more of their power capped junk.

See also https://www.pcworld.com/article/560691/we-found-a-secret-in-asus-rogs-ces-teaser-video.html


If you watched the video, you probably couldn’t even see what was going on because it was so dark. To help you see it, we captured a frame and enhanced frame 224 to 176 for you. With the background and image brightened up, you can see clearly see what looks like the sequel to the ROG Mothership GZ700. We think it has a keyboard on the front, which means it may be considerably thinner than the original model—a device that barely qualifies as a tablet in most people’s books.

Yep, people will get what the OEM think you want.

 

Since it can use DLSS it might be worthwhile since the availability problems are probably going to last through the entirety of 2022. Well.. no one from this forum wants it probably, but plenty of people that just want something "good enough" to play a game might.

 

Thats actually disgustingly heavy for a thin and light, like the razer blade pros.

Might as well get a GE76 for just 200-300g more

 

But you forget that people also want to feel the Apple thickness. Weight ain't all

 

I'm sure Gigabyte/Aorus will try lift up the price point to the Extreme for DDR5, 12900Hk and the power castrated 3080 Ti. Does it look appealing with 3080 Ti@105W ? When high SKU numbers have no meaning anymore.

AORUS 17 2022
It should be noted that the AORUS lineup will be divided into DDR4 and DDR5 models. The DDR4 based laptops will offer up to Intel Core i7-12700H CPU and up to RTX 3080 Ti GPU, whereas the DDR5 version will feature up to Core i9-12900HK and RTX 3080 Ti with 105-130W TGP (depends on the model).
Gigabyte 2022 AORUS and AERO laptops with up to GeForce RTX 3080Ti and Core i9-12900HK CPU leaked


NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Laptop GPU GPU - Benchmarks and Specs
7680 Ampere cores @ 585MHz, 256 Bit GDDR6 @ 14000MHz

 

Crazy. My crappy old 3080 is at 165...

 

Be happy they didn't cut TDP to 150W for 3080 release to make the mobile 3080 Ti looks better on the paper due the added 25% more Cuda cores and 150+15W castration

You should expect to see the most crippled 105W 3080 Ti will perform around last years highest TDP mobile 3080 cards. Yep what a progress.

 

Wow, I didn't expect laptop ddr5 to arrive until Meteor Lake. But man, 7680 cores at 585mhz? What a ****ing waste

 

When crippled TDP for 3080 ain't enough. Notebookcheck have rewarded this piece of junk with 88%. No wonder we nowadays see more and more of awful products being pushed out due people don't care. When 3080@90w TDP is too much.... Yep, put in an 3080 is a waste. But a nice option for the OEM to be able to increase the price point.

"The system favors the dedicated graphics card during the stress test. It operates at 80W while the processor almost immediately drops to just 30W and stays on this level"

Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme G4 Review: The best Multimedia Laptop thanks to Core i9 and RTX 3080?

 

Compared to the "new" 2021 versions of the GT 750 and Radeon HD6770 that have been resurrected for no good reason and are currently available to purchase, that 80W filthy BGA GPU joke is pretty impressive. Compared to the mainstream gamerkid 2019 and 2020 products, it is a sinful compromise.

 

Did you see the price for this Joke? Price - 4400 Euro

Yep, 5000$. People are crazy. And this is the main reason Lenovo welded on the i9 and 3080.

 

It looks like Nvidia and the OEMs try hard to push you over on the next gen laptops with power capped mobile GPU's. They'll now provide you a huge power uplift like 10 more watts over last years castrated 3080 to give you a reason to upgrade to newer gaming laptops. If this is correct they still want to play God when it comes to max allowed graphics TDP in any laptops and from any brand. 200W TGP is probably too much for next gen gaming laptops. The new modern notebook design have its price. Aka design over functionality.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Laptop GPU to feature 16Gbps memory and max TGP of 175W videocardz.com

MSI GS77 Stealth gets Alder Lake-P and Ampere “Ti” Upgrade, costs up to 4400 EUR videocardz.com

It seems the goal is to push harder for $5000 laptops.

The new Ti moniker premium is worth is weight in Gold. Nvidia and its OEM partners know how to make more $$$$.

 

The argument for these laptops are moot anyways since RTX 4000 will be here in less than a year's time. These are made for saudi princes.

 

Next gen will also follow same price point. And these new Ti variants is only meant to offer something new to the OEM. Nvidia could have offered faster Ampere mobile cards last year for the OEMs. And without the added Ti moniker. The 10 Watt upplift was needed to lure you into new gaming laptops. And to diffrenciate more between 3080 and 3080 Ti mobile.

 

Nvidia announces fourth-generation Max-Q technologies for gaming and creator laptops
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-discussion.835993/page-239#post-11135614

Nvidia says that fourth-generation Max-Q uses "artificial intelligence" to dynamically shift power between the CPU and GPU depending on the workload. It also uses new "Rapid Core Scaling" and "CPU Optimizer" technologies to ramp up specific cores to higher speeds, which should come in handy for multi-core workloads. In essence, your Nvidia GeForce graphics card will soon be able to control your CPU to a certain extent. Nice, Nvidia want to handle how your Cpu shall behave


Probably needed because the OEMs can't implement good enough cooling and strong enough power adapters (due todays new and modern slimmer chassis design).

Yep, also AMD can't or won't offer 200w TGP graphics as you got in the older laptop models with nvidia graphics from Maxwell, Turing 1 and Turing 2 gen mobile cards. All is about crippling the laptop gaming performance nowadays.


Ultimate Powerhouse – Raider GE76/66
MSI Raider GE series is the real eye-catcher, retaining the panoramic aurora lighting which creates an alluring sci-fi ambience. The performance is even more astonishing; with the innovative thermal design by MSI, t he Raider GE series performance can reach up to a total of 220W1 with GeForce RTX 3080 Ti via MSI OverBoost. The Phase Change Liquid Metal Pad increases performance by extra 10%, and with displays up to 4K with the support of Discrete Graphic Mode, gamers will have a fast and smooth experience with the MSI Raider Series.

1' GE76 reaches 220W performance when it’s equipped with NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti. Yep, for the whole laptop.

Sources. Msi press release

 

Assuming you're running at QHD or higher it could be a benefit. On mine I can flood the GPU at 165 with about 45 on the CPU. Putting more to the CPU just creates more heat without and gain on frame rate. This means a similar result on that power split there would bump my frame rate from 65ish in Cyberpunk to 66, maybe even 67 on average. If only I had waited...

 

You forgot the reason for more cores. To do more. To let the Cpu do other tasks in the backround while you gaming. Streaming is one of the tasks that will tax you Cpu while gaming. The more cores you have, the more you want to do with your pc. AMD showed the way and Intel jumped on same train.

Imagine the Cpu bottleneck we would have today with only 4 cores. Castate the power with an Cpu-Optimizer as they rely on today would be quite a mess.

 

Not if i can get my hands on it. Also good to see MSI is moving away from their dogshit stock paste. That thing was severely bottlenecking their cooling solution.

No kidding, I wanted to capture high quality ingame video to make live wallpapers but anything above x264 very fast tanks performance. NVEnc lossless is the only way for me but you'll need to encode it later yourself or it'll take up a gargantuan amount of space.

If its just limited to 175w gpu and 45w cpu theres no way high quality on the fly streaming can be done. High quality as in no blocking/blurring artefacts in dark scenes or compressed colours.

 

You may be able to improve the cooling further, but lesser and lesser headroom for improvements due use of better thermal paste as liquid metal out from the factory just means you will come closer and closer to the dreaded 100C/thermal throttling if the chassis design shrink further as new models will be released. OEMs will always go the cheap route for cooling. Now they have used the cheapest tool they have for improvements. Not much more they can do outside change course and put more money into the cooling for next gen laptops. And this won't happen. They will always look at the bottom line.

Yep, power sharing between Cpu and Gpu will always lead to compromises.

 

I wouldn't be that cynical about it. Yes, they are chasing thinness but not for every model. Medium sized laptops will still be made.

The problem are companies like alienware or razer that only have a single lineup.

 

Sheeps will always follow its lead bellwether.