Radeon R9-M295X

If those 3DMark scores are true than this thing will be a beast. For comparison the desktop 7970 scores 10680, and the R9-280X 10880. Not only do those cards have twice the TDP and higher clocks, they also have a 384 bit bus, yet the R9-M295X gets really close to those, and that's probably without optimized release drivers.

 

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Basically copy/paste of the desktop 7970, unless this really does require a TDP of 250W. Pants really will be on fire.

 

Well yeah, its not 250W

 

Also good sign that some reseller have finally listed R9 M295X in a Clevo machine.

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Did I read this correctly?

" AMD's flagship graphics angry latest open architecture R9 M295X Earth is expected to ship in September machines"

Angry?
Is this going to be the new line of Mobile GPUs from AMD?
I can see it all now from AMD's P.R dept- "We are happy to report that the new GCN 2.0 architecture sports some significant improvements in the new R9 M295X design that will make gamers angry..."

LOL. :laugh:

 

Google translate of chinese. Always funny

 

This is great news and not a surprise. It will be llike 6970M vs 7970M. Completely huge step up. Of course NVidia have something to answer with but it will come with a large price tag.

It also shows that the gap might be closing a little with desktop cards. To have 7970 performance with 100W tdp in a laptop is insane.

 

dont think its possible and we're hoping for too much, 200+watt tdp into a single mobile card running in 100watt shouldn't be possible without a die shrink, even if they did perfect it and had refresh it for last few years. lets just hope performance is up to par.

 

Nvidia reduced TDP from 135W (GTX 650 Ti Boost) to 60W with the GTX 750 Ti so its certainly possible to cut away a lot with a more efficient architecture.

Say AMD manage to cut the TDP down from 250W (R9 280X) down to 125W (AMD Tonga). 25W to go for the mobile version.
7870 was a 175W TDP and AMD still managed to cut it down to 100W for 7970M.

 

You get extra savings from cutting the mem bus and we will see how intact compute is.

So it must be 28nm then since this improvement would be pretty bad if it included process improvements too.

 

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OMG.
If the early word on this is true and projections of beating the 880m by 25% are accurate, then this is a REAL GAME CHANGER for AMD, and it keeps them staying with Nvidia from a competition standpoint for at least 2+ years.
I really, really hope that it is, because this kind of competition from AMD in stepping up their game, is going to be a HUGE VICTORY for AMD fans AND Nvidia people like myself. It's going to force Nvidia to get their Maxwell mobile lineup out much sooner, and that means we gamers are going to benefit from this as well, and since AMD's prices are much lower and than Nvidia's, it is an added benefit.
This is incredible news!
Makes me wonder if I should have waited 5 more months instead of getting my new Sager machine with the 880m....

 

Besides that new desktop hawaii XTX is coming, it will top everything nvidia have, i dont think upcoming 256bit 880gtx will save them this time.

 

If GTX 880 is a 256-bit GM204, it won't even be in the same tier, same way that it's GK110 not GK104 which competes against Hawaii. I'd expect GM200 (Titan 2?) to be competitive with AMD's new big-die GPU.

 

Im guessing it will probably around 20-30% faster than GTX 880M I think.

The thing is that if they do manage to reduce desktop Tonga to around 125W, the mobile chip will likely be either less than 100W (which I guessed earlier) or clocked pretty aggressively at 100W (with great performance). Just think about it:
Desktop Tonga 125W > 100W R9 M295X. Only 25W needs to be cut away.
Desktop 7870 175W > 100W 7970M. 75W removed to make room for 7970M.
They will have much greater headroom this time if that happens.

Tonga is looking to be AMD`s next architecture. Nvidia technically was out with the new architecture, but they will be beat on the high end cards. AMD was also first out with 7970M and if I dont remember wrong, that card completely changed Nvidia`s plan to put out a mediocre high end card. Instead they put out GTX 680M, much better than originally planned.
So yeah, competition is great.

If R9 M295X is indeed say 25% faster than 880M, it will be like 50-60% faster than R9 M290X/8970M. Roughly the same as 7970M vs 6990M. So history might repeat itself

Very true. If they do something about the resource heavy FP64 shaders, they will get more out of the power available.
Some people back in another forum speculate that Tonga is the first chip using 20nm from GloFo but we will see. Would love to see that happen. Would for sure put it waaay ahead of GTX 880M

 

Do you think the M295X will have the same crossfire management as the desktop 290X, without stuttering?

 

Hopefully XDMA makes its way over to notebooks. PCIe 3.0 comes standard on all new notebooks, right?

 

different comparison though wouldnt u say, this is in early/mid stages of 28nm part, we are now at post, would it still be possible? cause if it did then pretty sure something would have came out, unless that something is tonga.

 

I would like to say it's correct but maybe not, dependent on cpu and chipset. most new cpu have pcie 3.0 lanes though

 

Seems AMD have improved their feature set too. Since I installed the latest drivers I have noticed new software stuff nvidia inspector style.

I wonder what Nvidia can base their insane prices on if Tonga beats them soundly! Maybe the tables will turn lol and gives us gamers lots of cheap cards to choose from! yayay

PCI 3.0 is only necessary for SLI or crossfire right? Single cards won:t benefit much over PCIe 2.0x16

 

lol not even best of mobile gpu benefit pcie 2.0 x 16. 16 lanes of 2.0 is same as 8 lanes of 3.0. u'll need those dual chip desktop high end GPU and overclock it like crazy to bottleneck 8 lanes, and thats the 295x2 which is like 3x more powerful LOL. mobile, not even close.

 

where you were kind of nonsense you have read?speculate?, or kill time?
GTX880M=9k GPU score via 4700er P8500
and then cool the ~2 k SP?you will be a laptop he kept in the refrigerator

 

Sooo why do we care about pcie 3.0

 

Oh my. Where to begin

If you bothered to read my post I wrote

Around P8300 is what 880M + i7 score in average across several systems. Would be wrong to compare GTX 880M GPU points against R9 M295X Total score wouldnt it? Yes it would.

Second, try keep up with the thread instead of spewing out post like that. Just look back 1 page and my previous post and it should be apparent we are not talking about same architecture as current.
Try to do a little 2+2 and I`m sure you can figure out why 32CUs is possible with M295X.

With a little effort you can do it. I believe in you

 

7870 came out in March 2012.
7970M came out in April 2012.

Its the same GPU, same silicon. They still managed to cut down from 175W to 100W (binning, voltage reduction, less clock on the shaders etc)
So yes, it will still be possible today

 

This does not change the fact that no one has so elaborate cooling to the chip,
one collects stamps and one hesitates glue with one another has nothing to do

who told you the 7970M is exactly 100W limit and you know what that means

 

For XDMA CrossFire over PCIe.

 

If Im not wrong which I may be, I dont think PCIe 3.0 is required for the new Crossfire.
All you need is a XDMA engine on the GPU (in our case, the MXM module) that can communicate through PCIe directly to the other GPU without going through the CFBI and the CPU.

The old CFBI had a memory cap at 900MB/s. PCIe 3.0 x16 have 16GB/s. PCIe 2.0 x16 will have 8GB which I reckon is enough?
AnandTech Portal | The AMD Radeon R9 290X Review

 

Yes haswell based dual chip machines are dual gen 3 8x lanes which should do well for the xdma engine. The p570wm only is gen 2 due to older pcb design but it is the odd one out.

 

R9 M295x is kind of same as dual R9 M290x CF?

 

If the GPU's are sufficiently powerful there will probably be performance loss at some settings with PCIe 2.0 x8.

Nope.

 

295x better than the dual 29th CF?

 

We have no idea. It's not even out yet.

 

It's a single GPU card, you can't compare it to Dual-GPU setups like Crossfire. It's supposed to be 50-65% faster than M290X, depending on how good the Turbo is, most likely about 60%.
M290X crossfire though is all over the place from no scaling at all (rare cases) to 20-40% and to even 100% in cases such as BF4.

 

So M295X should be close to 280's desktop? That's great for a laptop...

 

Any idea when it gonna come out because I just bought a aw18 with the dual m290x cf..

 

September this year is what rumors whisper.
Not the greatest timing that you just bought the R9 M290X. Unless you can return it and hope rumor is true. M290X should be avoided at this time due to Tonga looking to be so much better.

 

its ok than, i keep my aw 18 haha

 

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I know that it's not entirely realistic, but it would be nice ideally for AMD & Nvidia to give us some kind or feasible way of a published timetable as to when their new and better products would come out, even though it violated some kind of level of NDA in the process.
That way, Laptop resellers can provide a little better info to their customers in the selection of a better upcoming GPU product that's in the pipeline, instead of having them get something now that will fill them with remorse and regret later in 3 months. There are a lot of gamers out there that is applies to. When you spend $2400 dollars for an AMD GPU gaming laptop in June, and then find out that a better one is coming out in September or so, that is going to make a lot of people unhappy. Talk about buyer's remorse....

 

Let's not encourage collusion between two competing companies.

There is plenty of info out for those doing their research.

 

I agree, would be nice to know when the heck the notebooks are coming out. Atleast give a hint like "Winter this year", "in a couple of months" etc. Rarely works out this way. Either you follow leaks and get an idea if we are close to launch, or you suddenly wake up one day reading that R9 M295X have launched.

I wouldnt recommend buying a new notebook until next gen are ready. A couple of important things I would miss out on

Maxwell and AMDs Tonga is one of them.
Broadwell is another. Not a very tempting upgrade since I feel we are getting a tiny 10% increase in CPU performance anyway, but...
9 series chipset is following Broadwell and supports PCIe M2 SSDs which will be leaps ahead of SATA3 drives.

I don`t think I will buy a new notebook until there are notebooks out with HM97 chipset and Maxwell/Tonga. Broadwell I can live witthout.

But of course, nothing is stopping people from upgrading the GPUs

 

When it comes to Broadwell I doubt we will see any quad cores any time this year, considering that the desktop variants are supposed to launch sometime in 1H2015.

 

You are probably most likely correct, although it was Desktop Broadwell "K-processors" (ala 3570k 2500k etc) that have been revealed to come in 1H2015, we might get lucky and get mobile Broadwell earlier, but I fear the worst like you explain.
Intel Updates its Desktop CPU Roadmap; Broadwell-E in 2015 | ChipLoco.

As long as I get the HM97 and notebook with 2-4 PCIe lanes directed to an available M2 slot, Im a happy dog. And a new GPU built on a new architecture of course.

 

I would totally go for a M295x provided it give the performance boost expected!

 

Except for the lack of new cards lol

 

dude went from AW18 to that low level laptop? gotta hope for clevo to release a Broadwell E or skylake E with SLI graphics or something with multiple M.2 ssds at 4 lanes 3.0 running in raid off directly from cpu lol. NVMe is the way to go, latency overall win

 

im seeing some 870MX, possibly maxwell? too bad not 880MX or 980, not interested

 

Good news friends. Tonga will be released in August. 1 more month
http://videocardz.com/50972/amd-tonga-arrives-august-replaces-tahiti-pro

 

Awesome

 

Probably, most likely correct.

That's good news. I see the light at the end of this tunnel of crap!

 

The crap that is Nvidia's pricing and purposeful gimping of OpenCL capabilities?