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    Rage: When Fallout Looks Boring

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Red_Dragon, Aug 20, 2009.

  1. Red_Dragon

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    Wow, after seeing these images and trailer this is shaping up to be another amazing Post-Apocalyptic game:

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    I've been keeping an eye on Rage. They hadn't released much media prior to this new stuff, and it looks even more amazing now. I don't think we'll see Rage until late next year though.
     
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    The thing that stuns me, is that second to last screenshot^^^^

    I think thats actually a gameplay shot :eek: This game is gonna be demanding im SO sure.
     
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    Well, it is the next evolution of ID's tech engine, it's going to be ridiculously amazing. Doom 3 was a monster for sure, but ID are pros at optimization, and it was playable with the ol' 6800's from the era. And now that I think about it, 2010 is a bit optimistic... ID will take their sweet time on this one.
     
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    I lol'd at the title cause fallout IS boring. anywho this game looks like alot of fun, ive been watching it for a few weeks
     
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    Best of all, I love the fact that you can drive around in a VEHICLE. it was annoying always walking to your next location lol.

    You are right though ID always makes fantastic games and this will be just as good as anything prior. Its great to here about the new engine they have always been VERY good at character models

    Josh, lol i enjoyed fallout but it was pretty slow pace so i could see who people wouldnt like it.
     
  8. Prydeless

    Prydeless Stupid is

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    Is this supposed to be an rpg?

    OT: Red, are you stalking Jessica Nigri? :p
     
  9. Thund3rball

    Thund3rball I dont know, I'm guessing

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    Yup this looks great. Everything Fallout 3 should have been imo. But that's because I am an FPS junky, not an RPG junky I guess. Nonetheless this will be awesome.
     
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    Whow those screens do look amazing, you have perked my interest in the game, thanks.
     
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    I have been looking for this too, but by the time it comes out, i suggest you take a look at borderlands, which is supposed to come out in october, in my opinion it will be AWESOME
     
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    Pryd, Jessican Nigiri is my friend :)

    Thund3rBall, i cant wait for this. It seems like a mix of Fallout, Far Cry 2, and Jack and Daxter.

    Mtness,Yeah those screen are amazing the new engine must be something else.

    Frank, I heard of borderlands but so far i am feeling this more. Im pretty sure both will be aewsome though.
     
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    I don't like the direction Borderlands is taking (cartoonish looks, rpg elements such as experience points, amongst other things). Still waiting on them to release new info about Aliens: Colonial Marines.

    Been looking at this since last year. Watched Carmacks talk about id recently and I think this will be a game worth getting. I wonder when we'll get Doom 4 though.
     
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    I've been following Rage a bit too, and it looks like a good combination of genres. However, any more I never put too much faith in a game that isn't due to be released for many months down the road. If they said it would be out November 2009, then I'd be excited.
     
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    I've been following Rage as often as I can. The trailers and screenshots never seem to disappoint and look better as time goes along. Furthermore, id says they're going to make it centered around fun because they want a new franchise. Many of id's previous games were fun tech-demos, but I think they intend for this to be a fun game, that looks as good as a tech-demo. I can't wait to play it, I just hope it scales down as well as they claim (I don't have a good graphics card).
     
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    yeah, this game looks amazing. i love racing games, i love fps... awesome blend!
     
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    First time I have seen screen shots of the game and It looks fantastic.
    If it plays half as good as it looks we have a winner!
     
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    Let's just hope it's not as bad an actual game as Doom 3.
     
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    Lol ^^^^

    This game is way too open out to be like Doom(Which was pretty linear) Im sure this will make people forget about Doom.

    Im happy to see ID make a new franchise though they are to talented to be stuck on one.
     
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    *drool* look at the clouds and the cliffs, so... glorious...
     
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    Thund3rball I dont know, I'm guessing

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    Doom 3 wasn't a bad game, it was quite good actually. Just too long imo.

    Hm I don' think an "open world" makes a good game. It's kind of like saying the LOTR books would be better if they were choose your own adventure stories, lol. Looking at other similar games to Doom 3 (FEAR, Dead Space) it would be hard to achieve the same tension and "claustrophobia" in a big open environment.
     
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    Hahaha everyone always wants to drive around in a vehicle and the developers rarely make our dreams come true lol. Hopefully they deliver on this one.
     
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    I think Oblivion did it right with horses, I don't know why they fell short in Fallout, there is plenty of cars and motorcycles everywhere that don't look too destroyed.
     
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    The lack of usable vehicles in Fallout 3 was, I speculate, an intentional design decision.

    The decision to leave operational vehicles out of Fallout 3 was likely schemed as a feature worth promoting as a new feature in a Fallout 4 sequel, even though you had the ability of using an upgradeable car in Fallout 2.
     
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    Doom 3 WAS too long. I never finished it...got to hell, thought I'd be done, then came back..and kept going...and kept going...

    Unless you have all sorts of time in open-air, bright sunshine, then they force you into a dark, metal tube underground.
     
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    You can always tell an iD engine.

    It reminds me of that old old game (2000-ish?) where you primarily drove an armored vehicle around but could get out to clear out building, trade and get missions, in a post-apocalyptic setting (result of chemical warfare instead of nuclear, I think. There were untouched places surrounded by domes where rich people lived, but most of the world was a wasteland).
     
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    Thund3R, I think it will be quite open, but you could cause that same tension. As seen in those screenshots, you go in buildings alot so there could be monsters lurking all over i think this could bring you the best of both a scare and a open ended world.


    JB,....................I know, i just dont get it is that hard to just add a vehicle into the game? The only recent game that i can think of, that really gave you a open ended world with the ability to drive around was Mercenaries 2.

    Raduque, ................Twisted Metal? Hm, Spy Hunter? Fallout?(Old ones)
     
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    Neither of those 3 games. I don't think you could get out in Twisted Metal or Spy Hunter, and it was a first-person non-RPG. A straight FPS, part Carmageddon and part Quake 2.

    I seem to recall the menus being very blue and red colored. I also want to say the name had the word "Red" in it, too.
     
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    I don't know the details very well... is rage a sandbox game or what?
     
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    I wonder what it would take to run this game on a notebook. I think someone mentioned id are good at optimization or something. Can anyone elaborate on this?

    Are we looking at 9600GT-level GPUs and above, or will entry-level HD4330/9400m kind of graphics performance be enough? Their engine uses OpenGL a lot so i'm assuming no DX10/10.1/11 support, right?
     
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    LOL, Red Faction?
     
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    a release date isnt even announced. the game is AT LEAST a year away if not more. why do people keep asking if they can run games that arent out? no one knows.
     
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    This game may be out spring time next year(I hope)

    Borderlands is the one to watch...............only for now though. If i had to choose between both i tihnk i would go with Rage without second thoughts.
     
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    It will be Open GL, DX11 is out of the question. It looks comparable to DX10 though, with use of motion blur, depth of field, softer shadows. It will be a shader rocking title, and I don't think 8800 GTs (equivalent to the current high end mobile GPUs) will be running this on high, err ultra.
     
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    ^^^ IT will probably support Physx then?
     
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    I don't know if physx is bound by directX at all. ID may have their own phsyics engine altogether. I'll look up some info on their previous 4th engine (used in doom 3, quake 4, new wolfenstein).

    EDIT: it's definitely not havok, it's proprietary. ID has Crytek square in their sights on this one ;) But they can't help the fact the human eye just finds a tropical paradise full of vegetation more appealing than a drab brown post-apocalptic grand canyon with scary clowns :D
     
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    clowns are very scary. i would rather fight a horde of necromorphs than a few clowns.
     
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    Lol like the thing eh?

    I wonder if you would be able to create your own character?(Like Fallout)
     
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    That would be awesome if it applied to your vehicle too (aesthetically). It has RPG elements so I don't see why not. Also, according to previews, the character you play is said to be nameless and not talk in the game. Not sure how customizable you get to be though.

    Speculating. :rolleyes:

    Thanks for the input.

    Not sure about the PhysX thing either. It does look better than most DX9 games though doesn't it. Could probably even run it on XP too if you wanted. But yeah, might need a new notebook to run this (with a mobile G300).
     
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    I agree, the minute i saw this i was thinking DX10 but i guess not......
     
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    o.0 isn't Fallout always so damn boring. I freakin' gave that game away to som1. Hate the game. Love the concept. I hear ID makes great engines (doom 3). Will look out for this game from now on.
     
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    Haha, no not Red Faction. It's actually more like Interstate '76 + Carmageddon + Quake 2. Car combat and on-foot combat, and you're way vulnerable while out of the vehicle. I can picture the menus, I can picture the gameplay, but I just can't for the life of me picture the frakin' name!
     
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    Rage looks very interesting. I have been following it since it was announced. I don't think id Tech 5 will be "Holy graphics!!!" (despite the screenshots), as Carmack seemed to hint at that in his keynote during QuakeCon last week. By that, I mean you won't be required to buy an entire new desktop/notebook just to play it on medium or high, like you would have with their previous radical engines like Doom 3 or Quake 3. You have to keep in mind that they are making this for Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 as well. Though I have no doubt that if you really want to, you could absolutely blast the graphics just to demonstrate that your computer just isn't powerful enough to take Rage at full blast immediately.

    As for PhysX, it seemed to me again that Carmack doesn't particularly like the idea of hardware physics (GPU PhysX or dedicated Ageia PhysX card). So I think we won't get PhysX, which is fine by me.

    Any id Tech engine upon initial public release is incredibly buggy, but they release patches very quickly. Severe issues are resolved fast. They do optimize it as best they can, but the best way they can avoid huge problems is with public betas before releasing it. I really hope a public multiplayer beta of Rage is released a month in advance of its retail release. That way we'll get less bugs when it's released, and we will be able to play it early. Yay!
     
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    HMMMM, Grand theft auto? No, im sure that cant be it you would have known.

    ARGH i MUST FIND OUT!
     
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    It's pretty ancient and wasn't very popular, but I enjoyed it. It's really starting to irritate me that I can't figure out the name.

    Edit: GOT IT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redline_(1999_video_game)
     
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    I only heard about borderlands recently, I'm pretty excited about that too now, looking forward to a co-op game with random levels/guns generator. It's like diablo and FO3 had a kid, and that kid's godfather is L4D.
     
  47. Red_Dragon

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    Radu, LOL. I never would have known that anyway because i never heard of it for some reason.

    Mustachio, I never looked at it like that but it can be a mix of those 2 for sure.
     
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    Yea, see what I mean, even when it came out 10 years ago, it wasn't popular.