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    Removal of GPU Thermal Limit

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Download ASUS GPUTweak II

    you can simply use this to lift the 75c temperature limit on your computer's GPU that is often set by the manufacturer to cripple performance:

    As long as your temps are fine around the 85-87C mark, then there is no reason to limit your laptop's GPU performance.

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    Too bad I didn't have this when I had my XPS 9570, that would have made a lot of difference.
     
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    Isn't it just possible with the Alienware CC ?

    I got this option for the GPU :

    Annotation 2019-09-28 181617.png

    Don't worry I will test your Killer Control Center removal guide later today or tomorrow, I will have more time :)
     
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    The question is... Does it work properly with latest sBios and vBios? Or is it only a shiny number equal as in Alienware CC software?
    Maybe throw a bone to those who still have the notebook.
     
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    This utility does work with Dell laptops with Nvidia GPUs including G7. Of course, the G7 already comes with 87c GPU thermal limit. So this is only useful if you have crippled laptops like XPS models where Dell intentionally lowers limit because of 2 small heatsinks which can barely cool CPU. Or the Eluktronics MAG-15 and similar laptops where Intel limits GPU for no good reason (the cooling system is much better than Dell XPS, with plenty of heatsinks with back and side air exhausts).
     
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    I didn't ask if it worked on Dell notebooks or not... Will it work when temp limit is lowered in firmware? Have you tested it on a Dell notbook with the temp cap already implemented in firmware?

    Even Dell's own tool show 87℃ but this doesn't mean the higher temp limit works.
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Felix_Argyle

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    It will work if the temp limit is set to something like 74c by default, there are posts on Reddit which show this. You just can't go higher than 87c on any laptop.
     
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    Dell put the limit to was it 75 or was it 78℃. The ACC tool show 87℃ as max temp limit. But this doen't mean it will let the Gpu run above the limit put in firmware who is much lower.
     
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    Once again, the tool works for people with 73c or 75c thermal limit (whatever it is set by default), the original posts on r/Dell subreddit shows that:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/a27e1l/finally_permanently_fixed_dell_inspiron_power/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/d5jj0e/there_is_a_way_to_bypass_the_thermal_target_of/
    People have tested it with their laptops.

    This is for Asus utility. I don't know about Alienware software since I don't use it and it is useless for people who do not own Alienware laptops.
     
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    Funny, I was making a youtube video about this, didn't know it was already known.

    HOWEVER, I am running into an issue. I'm on the newest 1.7.3 BIOS and original 200w vBIOS, Once my temps hit around 80-81C my clocks drop to 300Mhz and don't come back.

    I tried UV in MSI Afterburner, GPU Tweak is set to 87C. Any ideas?

     
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    Dell don't use same firmware for all their notebook models. But the new Alienware OC Controls is for most of their models. I expect some will soon post their results.
    upload_2019-9-28_22-22-28.png
    Tried previous sBios version?
     
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    Not yet. I am sure 1.5.0 will work fine again. Just trying to figure out 1.7.3
     
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    I talk about previous sBios... Wasn't it 1.6.2 ?
     
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    what is your nVIDIA Power Management? It should be Adaptive not Optimal!
     
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    That's what it is set to, same issue.
     
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    and what driver version are you running?
     
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    Latest driver from nVidia. Looks like someone else with 1.7.3 is having same issue on the Area-51m thread once they hit 80C as well...

    Are you on 1.7.3?
     
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    I am, but I am on driver 431.69 from Dell. NEVER install drivers from nVIDIA on an Alienware
     
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    The Alienware models sound like they have too many issues. I am glad I went with Dell G7 instead - no issues with Nvidia drivers, I just download everything from Nvidia's own site and it works. No issues with GPU throttling until it reaches 87c.
     
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    Didn't help. Might just go back to 1.5.0 if I even can. Every BIOS after 1.5.0 seems to be crap
     
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    Have you actually tried to let you GPU go over 80C? It seems 80-81C triggers this. If I blast the fans and let the GPU stay below 80C it does not throttle.
     
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    I will do some testing tomorrow as it's 6:18 AM here in Dubai

    Tell me what tools do I need to check the clocks while playing?
     
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    Anything with an OSD such as MSI Afterburner. I don't think you'll even need any, you will know if it's running at 300Mhz lol.

    Try time spy gpu test 2 , mine hits it at the end. Use auto fans and see if this is a 1.7.3 issue at 80C. I have a feeling it might be.
     
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    Cover air intake and play something like Forza Horizon 4, that's the best way to increase thermals. And watch GPU clocks in hwinfo64 graph, with GPU temp graph next to it.

    Here, these are the graphs you should be looking at (I set GPU throttle temp to 80c using Asus utility):
    temps.PNG

    You will see even larger clock drop if you have badly programmed BIOS, like what happened with new BIOS when new Dell XPS was just released.
     
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    As I said in previous posts "Does it works?" Dell's firmware for all their models ain't equal. You shouldn't assume that it will work on all models.

    Second one confirmed what I thought/expected http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-1569#post-10954390
     
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    I downgraded to 1.5.0 and performance is back. Will stay here.
     
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    Hey !

    What was your Alienware CC fan setting ? I figured out that setting this setting to "Cold" makes the GPU reducing its voltage and frequency drastically.
    However it does not apply to the "Silent" preset.
     
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    This works with MSI GS65???

    RTX2060 90wBIOs in GPU-Z I see:

    Temperature Limit:
    Current: 87C
    Minimun 75C
    Default 87C
    Max 87C
     
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    I made a little video for anyone else that needs a mini tutorial. Skip to 2:44 if AW Area-51m isn't relevant to you.





    I always use auto fans. Only use performance fans when I am gaming or it's needed. 80C limit is a new issue it seems on newer 1.7.3 BIOS.


    Looks like your thermal limit is already 87C, so shouldn't need to do this?
     
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    This is definitely working, but not having the ability to apply the profile on boot without lauching the program itself is kinda suck
     
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    Experimented with bios 1.7.3. No Asus utility needed as acc can set the temp limit of the video card to 87C. 1.7.3 does anyway hard throttle at exactly 79C to unplayable fps. What a crap bios. Back to 1.5.0 for me...
     
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    I'm on 1.6.2 and I can also set the "temp limit" to 87°C.
    My GPU never reached more than 79/80°C.
    What does this temperature limite really set ?
    Is the "throttle point" you are talking about a reality in BIOS versions after 1.5.0 ?

    Envoyé de mon SM-G965F en utilisant Tapatalk
     
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    If gpu temp reaches 79C it will drastically throttle down the gpu to unplayable fps till it reaches 50C. Then the same game begins till 79C is reached and so on. On 1.5.0 that I am back on no throttling as max temp of my gpu under full fans is 82C.
     
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    My Clevo P750TM1 GTX1080 has a temp limit of 91C by default Is this normal?

    It will hold a custom undervolted curve @1,911Mhz boost steady in games without dipping even at 80C. But it doesn’t get that hot at 1,911 undervolted. Maybe 74-75C.

    Or I can add +140Mhz in MSI Afterburner to my GPU core clock with default voltage. And in some games my GPU will sit around 1,974mhz-2,000Mhz pretty steadily. Temps do go up to around 83C but my clocks will never go below 1,974Mhz. Only some games like Fallout 4, and a few others allow a high steady boost clock! Some titles will drop clocks to like 1,936Mhz but still offer great performance.

    I guess the higher temp limit of 91C helps with this.

    Is this 91C limit default?
     
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    Higher Gpu temp doesn't mean better. Rather the opposite with Pascal and Turing http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...unge-phoenix-3-0.800081/page-65#post-10476824
     
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    So what do you recommend to get past this? Is there come GPU equivalent of throttle stop? Maybe something else to do in asus gpu tweak? About the most I can comfortable overclock on both idle and load is about 137hz, and maybe 200+ under full load with a 1070. Is there some kind of voltage curve on the program? I just set the extra mv to the max of 100mv, so not sure if that is that perse.
     
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    You can't circumvent Nvidia's disgusting boost behaviour. Try keep lowest possible Gpu temp. But here is an guide you can follow from bro @Mr. Fox
     
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    Doesn't work for me as already my GPU in my HP Omen functions at the temp limit of 87 I think it is.