Rescue my 7600 256mb from 3200 3d05 Marks!

Hi I just recently bought a Toshiba Satellite Pro P100 with a Geforce 7600 with 256mb.. I had ran the 3D Mark 05 and to my shock it only scored 3206 marks !!
I expected the card to get at least 3600-3800 marks as i know its capable of getting just over 4000 marks maxed out! Could someone tell me the simplest way of at least getting it to a respectable 3600-3800 marks by overclocking??.. what programme is the best the easiest to use..?

I read a thread about how to get a hidden overclocking option in the Nvidia settings panel by changing something in the Registry but i couldnt get it to work..

Please help guys as the card isnt performing anywhere near as well as it should be and is capable of!.....

 

By the way the very low 3dmark isnt the result of any conflicting programmes..antivirus or other such software running the the backround.... Its just the card thats the problem..

And i have 1.5 Gbs of DDR2 Ram and a T2400 Dual core cpu...

Any input is appreciated guys!

 

Well im no overclocker but normally the 7600 gets about 3500 3dmarks but it does better in 3d 06 -ie about 2200. So if you got over 4000 in 05 you will be doing very well.
I think toshiba do underclock thier gpus for better heat dissipation though.

 

That sounds a bit low but you got to know it varies from one 7600 card to another, my 7400 gets 2900 approx normal clocks, overclocked I get 3150. Just overclock it with the Nvidia Desktop Manager - yes it does allow you to overclock.

The way I overclock mines is first I get the latest video drivers from http://www.laptopvideo2go.com

That will get all the Nvidia Utilities installed for you too. Then you can just enter the nvidia manager by right clicking on your desktop>Nvidia Display>your laptop.

Choose the Overclock option from the left and you can overclock and test it from there.

 

Yeah iv already found that nvidia manager and it doesnt give me any option to overclock.. Is there any other way..such as good programmes to use..?

 

Have you updated your drivers? What frequencies do you get?

 

This has been said many times, but 3DMark05, 06, whatever - they are useless. It doesn't matter what type of scores you get; does it play your games well? If so, then why worry over what 3DMark says? There's no sense in it.

 

Yeah my drivers are totally new.. I dont know what my frequencies are as they are just left blank in the 3D Mark 05 details panel..

 

Yeah Chaz i agree with what u said but theres obviously somethig not quite right when the card "should" get much better marks.. And the fact that a Toshiba Qosmio in my shop with the 7600 128mb gets 3700 marks!.. can you tell me what programmes i can get to overclock the card plz??

 

The card is fine. Manufacturers clock the cards differently.
I get 3,542 3DMarks with a Go7600 clocked at 450 core/350 mem and a Core 2 Duo T7600. That's a small step up from yours because mine has a faster CPU.

Like I said, if it plays games fine, then why bother.

 

Oh i know the card is fine.. Its just i wanna see what my clocks are at and compare them with the stock settings they shud be at. Im sure the card was underclocked by Toshiba as the Laptop runs VERY VERY cool all the time. I love it but i wanna just have the option to see a 3D Mark score of 3600-3700 and then il be VERY happy!

 

And when i try to get the coolbits setting which iv heard about to enable me to use a frequency adjustment option in the Nvidia display panel..all it does is make an option called "Additional Direct 3D settings".. Why cant i get the frequency panel up?

 

Hmm... your CPU is better than my Desktops, and on 3DMark05 I get around 4500.

 

heres how to overclock it:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=61174

 

I just used RivaTuner to overclock my card and it worked beautifully. I increased the clocks just slightly.. Core from 350-360 Mem from 450-465..
My 3D Mark score went from 3200 to 3650!.. Not bad at all
I noticed an option in the Riva Tuner menu to unlock the pixel units that are shown as disabled.. Is this possible to do and has anyone tried it?.. as there are 8pixel pipelines on the standard 7600 and the 7600GTX has 16 pipelines which are obviously simply enabled at factory.

 

Try it and tell us!

 

No one's tried it because if you attempt it you could hose the GPU. And while that's not as much an issue in desktop hardware, in a notebook, if you mess that up you pretty much turn your notebook into a paper weight.

I found out why your score was so low, by the way:

Stock speeds on the 7600 are 450 core, 400 memory.

By the way, to anyone who'd correct me, I know they specify 500 memory in most specifications, but I have yet to see a Go 7600 running at that speed, and for what it's worth, mine is running at 450/400 and it's one of the highest performing Go 7600s I've seen benches for. I get just under 4000 3DMarks in 05 at stock clocks.

Oh, and as a side note, though, I should mention that graphics hardware generally doesn't reward you all that well for overclocking like a CPU will. I tried messing with overclocking on both my notebook and my desktop, but the performance differences just weren't worth it; they were barely perceptible if at all in gaming.

 

Hello ??? Since when a GeForce Go 7600 is faster than a GeForce 6800GT ???

6800GT = 16 Pipes, 256MB DDR3 1000Mhz(256bit)
vs
Go 7600 = 8P Pipes, 128 or 256MB, (128bit)

The GeForce 6800GT Scored around 4,500 to 5,300 on 3dmark05 and around 12,000 on 3dmark03..

It totally owns the 7600 Go.

So you better update ur facts.

 

Just keep in mind that you can't "just" compare pipelines or anything else. They're two different architectures, and the 7xxx is more efficient than 6xxx with the same number of pipelines.

And like said above, you "can" unlock the disabled pipelines, but keep in mind they're often locked because one or more of them don't work properly. And if that's the case, it might just ruin your GPU.

 

I think you ought to update yours. The Go 7600 is remarkably close to the 6800GT in terms of performance. I know this because the desktop 7600GT is consistently faster than the 6800GT (much to my delight). While the mobile 7600 is pretty crippled compared to its desktop counterpart, its performance is still mighty impressive and does indeed scrape the 6800GT. Mine scores just under 4k at stock speeds in 3DMark05. The Go 7600GT scores very close to the desktop 7600GT.

As the above poster mentioned, it's not all pipelines and bus width. The ATI X1800GTO has twice the bus width and thrice the pixel shaders as the 7600GT, and performs about the same. And the 7600GT performs on par with or better than the last generation's high end, despite having four less pipes and half the bus.

 

Wait a minute im just after having a closer look at my default clock settings and they were pretty weird!

Stock Clocks:

350 Core
400 Memory

From what if read, the 400 memory setting is normal for a 7600 and its just my 350 core thats very low!..

When i over clocked them (with sucess) i clocked the "memory" at 480 when i was meaning to clock the core at that speed! and it worked! I only raised the "core"from 360- 370! which is still very low!..

Iv since tried to clock my core at the "supposed stock settings" of 450 but Riva Tuner tells me not to go above 440!...

Can anyone advise??

And since i was able to clock my memory at 480 no problem, would anywon say thats safe? as it didnt cause any problems of overheating...but i dont want to fry my card in the long run!

 

Im just after adjusting to the following clocks:

430 Core/450 Memory

Got a 3D Mark score of 3887.

440 Core/ 480 Memory

Score of 4060

440 Core/ 500 Memory

Score of 4144

These tests were followed by playing some games such as FEAR/Far Cry/Ghost Recon Adv WF and they were all stable! IN fact my average Fps in FEAR went from 37fps at max settings @ 1024x768 to 50 fps!! Thats some serious improvment!!
I have a feeling that im close to the max potential of the card but theres still some power left in it.
However now that i see what my card is capable of and that iv been able to increase its 3D Mark 05 score from 3200 stock to 4144, im gonna leave the clocks at 400 Core/ 450 Memory to quarantee that it wont blow up on me. Or would anyone think that the 440/480 settings is safe?? or even 440/500?? As the laptop didnt seem to be overheating and the games ran smoothly..

 

Forgive me for being such a noob to OCing but I bought a Zepto 6214W about 2 months back according to their website the stock numbers are:

Graphics card operates with 450 Mhz on the chip, and 700 Mhz (DDR) on RAM

Can this be correct? As everyone doesnt seem to want to go above 500 on the memory

Id check with a programs to see but my laptop is currently in for repair, ironically with a overheating vga fault . Its all fixed now though, its on its way back from Denmark as we speak.

*EDIT* it has a geforce go7600 512mb by the way

 

Overclocking will void your warranty. Unless you dont mind paying for a new laptop then by all means.

thats amazing that your 7400 scores as much as my x1600(128mb). Do you use aftermarket drivers, or do you use standard?

 

Stock settings are suppose to be: Core 450/ Memory 400-500 yes, while some are configured to have memory at 350 Mhz..(700Mhz effective) which is what i would say u are referring to.. The 7600 cant go anywhere near 700Mhz (1400Mhz) at least safetly anyway!

 

ahh yes 700 effective because its ddr2, correct? remember reading that somewhere. thanks!

 

The 7xxx is more "efficient" than the 6xxx series,,, But this would be comparing the 7600 with the 6600 not with a higher end class from a previous generation..

And to the other guy, yeah I wanna see the benchmarks where your statements are based on or supported by.

~I don't want to start a war, but if it's they way you say it is, show me with real facts (benchies) Not comparing an overclocked 7600 with a stock 6800GT.

 

If I didn't know any better I'd think I was dealing with an overzealous 6800GT owner.

Ask and ye shall receive:
PCStats 7600GT Review
Tom's Hardware VGA Charts

nVidia's mid-end has been consistently faster than their previous high end for a while now. The 7 series architecture IS more efficient.

Next time, try asking a little more nicely instead of just demanding.

 

I know this is going to sound dumb, but one of my old friends just recently bought a 7600 for his desktop. On all benchmarks, he runs right around the same scores with me. (Higher on 3DMark06, lower on 05) Funny thing is, in gaming, my computer puts his down by about 15-20FPS. (Battlefield 2, Counter Strike: Source, F.E.A.R.) Why is this?

 

Processor speed probably has something to do with it. System could also not be optimized, bad drivers...there are a lot of things that could cause that. It may also be a 7600GS instead of a GT.

But I do know it's been consistently reported that the 7600GT bests nVidia's entire 6 series.

 

Well that's the desktop 7600GT, a totally different beast to the Go 7600 which I thought we were talking about in this thread?

 

Read the rest of the thread.

 

Actually I'm surprised by those benchmarks.. even though TomsHardware (doesn't have the best reputation out there).. But anyways, I believe that ok the new generatio could have more optimaztions for benchmarks.. but in real life gaming, with everything maxed out the 6800GT would perform better..

On the other point, I didn't mean to sound rude, sorry if that was the way it came out.

And on my desktop I have a 6800NU (Modded to 16 Pipes) still handles games nicely, but my current laptop Video Card owns it. I just wish I could overclock my Laptop's CPU like I've done with my Desktop PC.

 

So even though I give you exactly what you requested, numbers and benchmarks, you still just go "oh, well, you're still wrong anyhow."

These aren't optimizations for benchmarks. This is faster, better hardware. I can tell you in all honesty that my desktop with a 7600GT runs Quake 4 at 1680x1050 High Quality better than my buddy's 6800GT at 1280x1024 Ultra. Because I've SEEN it. I can provide you numbers until I'm blue in the face. Or you could do the research yourself.

These aren't just regular benchmarks, I deliberately directed you to in-game benches. I've no doubt at least one or two were run in FRAPS or used custom benches. Don't give me that optimization line just because you've got sour grapes because your unlocked 6800 is outperformed by the modern mid-range. Hardware advances for a reason.

 

Wow, kind of aggresive Pulp.

I don't know... I love my 6800GT. I am sure there are better cards, but running BF2 at all high, AAx2, and 1024x768, with an average of 70FPS is just perfect for me. (My monitor actually WON'T allow any higher than 1024x768! 15" LCD)

 

Ok, No More Arguing.. U Win..

heh.. I'm no troll and I recognize when someone else has their point or is right.

But I still think u took it more personally than I wanted.

Anywayz.. Cheers :nvidia: