Rumored TGP of Nvidia cards

Just ahead of the September launch, specifications of NVIDIA's upcoming RTX Ampere lineup have been leaked by industry sources over at VideoCardz. According to the website, three alleged GeForce SKUs are being launched in September - RTX 3090, RTX 3080, and RTX 3070. The new lineup features major improvements: 2nd generation ray-tracing cores and 3rd generation tensor cores made for AI and ML. When it comes to connectivity and I/O, the new cards use the PCIe 4.0 interface and have support for the latest display outputs like HDMI 2.1 and DisplayPort 1.4a.

The GeForce RTX 3090 comes with 24 GB of GDDR6X memory running on a 384-bit bus at 19.5 Gbps. This gives a memory bandwidth capacity of 936 GB/s. The card features the GA102-300 GPU with 5,248 CUDA cores running at 1695 MHz, and is rated for 350 W TGP (board power). While the Founders Edition cards will use NVIDIA's new 12-pin power connector, non-Founders Edition cards, from board partners like ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte, will be powered by two 8-pin connectors. Next up is specs for the GeForce RTX 3080, a GA102-200 based card that has 4,352 CUDA cores running at 1710 MHz, paired with 10 GB of GDDR6X memory running at 19 Gbps. The memory is connected with a 320-bit bus that achieves 760 GB/s bandwidth. The board is rated at 320 W and the card is designed to be powered by dual 8-pin connectors. And finally, there is the GeForce RTX 3070, which is built around the GA104-300 GPU with a yet unknown number of CUDA cores. We only know that it has the older non-X GDDR6 memory that runs at 16 Gbps speed on a 256-bit bus. The GPUs are supposedly manufactured on TSMC's 7 nm process, possibly the EUV variant.


I got the above rumored info from Techpower up forums.

I would hate to see the 3000 cards in laptops, they would have to be heavily throttled to get it not to blow up the laptop.
The 2070 is a 175w card but in laptops its 115w, this 3070 is rumored to be 320w but will Nvidia stay with the same wattage of 115w or maybe increase it to 150w which is 2080 mobile territory.
I guess all laptops will be max-q designs with the 3000 cards

 

Those TDP are lower than the rumored ones I heard, which is a little promising. It looks like moving to the 3080 will be about 50W higher than my existing 2070 which should still be OK in my Sonnet Breakway Box 550, as long as it actually fits! LOL!

 

I doubt laptops will get a Desktop 3090 (i.e. something with 5248 cuda cores). I hope they do, but I doubt it.

Keep in mind TDP is roughly going to be 30% lower than TGP.

The P870TM1 has a cooling capacity for the gpus of about 400 Watts. With some minor modifications 500+ Watts of cooling is fairly easily obtainable. The problem isn't laptops can't handle high TGP/TDP cards and shouldn't get them. The problem is thin laptops with BGA solutions don't have the room for the required cooling and therefore have no business (IMO) being equipped with cards like these.

High performance notebooks should be large enough to handle the cooling required - as they have been in the past.

 

The issue is I'm not going to lug around a 10lb laptop like I did with a clevo p370sm3.
I like this msi ge75 at 5.4lb.

 

Then buy a slim + light laptop with BGA components and don't expect to get anywhere near desktop class performance. Just because certain folks are willing to make that compromise doesn't mean others are. And it doesn't mean one aspect of the market should dictate what the entire market gets. Let the thin laptops get stripped down cards, and the bulky laptops get full fledged cards and let the consumer have the option of picking which one they want to buy.

 

If the market exists for them and people want to buy them the products will exist. I'm sure MSI and Clevo will do something, they always do.

 

We'll probably see a titan successor or something the like.

Not gonna lie, really excited to see how the cards fall when the laptops start coming.

 

I gotta say I'm very happy about the specs of the new cards. They weren't at all what I was expecting.

I was expecting a significant increase in performance over the Turing cards, and we got what looks like a colossal increase in performance instead. The core counts on these cards are twice what they were rumored to be. Of course we'll have to see how that translates into real world performance, but man, the 10,496 cores on the RTX 3090 is a buttload of cores! There's no way you won't get insane performance out of that thing.

I don't know if I would call carrying a 10 pound laptop lugging it around. 10 pounds isn't heavy. I'm not sure why so many people feel a 10 pound laptop is heavy. This mentality is kinda destroying performance laptops.

That said, there are use cases for thin and light laptops, but a performance laptop should not be thin and light. It needs enough room for a beefy cooling system.

 

I was surprised at the prices of the 3070 and 3080, but the specs is what really got me.
With these large specs and power draw, I now wonder if Nvidia will use the 3060 and call it a 3080 mobile.

 

That really wouldn't surprise me. Intel does something similar with mobile CPUs to pass off weaker parts as just as good as desktop CPUs to the average buyer. However we know that desktop CPUs of every performance tier outperform their mobile equivalents.

I was hoping for Max-Crap to go away. The gap between mobile and desktop GPUs was almost completely closed with the Pascal generation. Now it's widening again.

 

I think this generation the gap will be bigger than ever.

 

I was totally expecting to wait and see what AMD was going to do before buying a 3080, but I was also expecting it to be a tad more expensive after seeing the rumors of the $1499 3090. I might have to just grab one when they are released.

 

The 3070 is a very enticing product to me. I've been starved for high framerate gaming in all of my games released 2015 and after because my 1060 doesn't have enough compute power.

I'll wait for the official reviews first to confirm that the 3070 is the GPU I think it is, and probably get it when it's widely available from AIB vendors.

 

I would build a desktop around the 3070 but living on a sailboat with power restrictions really limit that. I would need a bigger solar power on this boat, 600w is good enough for laptop.
I'll upgrade my nephews computer, his 1060 will start to limit him this year. For him, I might go with a 3060 when is comes out.

 

I can assure you that your sort of demographic makes up less than 1% of laptop buyers. Even those who want performance don't want a giant 4.5 kg package that will, at some point, break your back.

 

Agreed. 10lb is boat anchor territory. I wouldn't want to drag that around and I'm by no means feeble.. I'm 6"2 195...

 

I'll definitely admit I'm an outlier. I like having desktop class performance and always having my stuff with me wherever I go.

I've been putting up with carrying around a crapton of stuff in a large backpack and/or laptop bag for years, so I've been used to it for a long time, which explains why the weight doesn't bother me.

I say this as a total beanpole. I come in around 5' 8" at 140 lbs, but I'm also still young, so that's another factor that plays into this (I'm in my last 1 and a half years of college).

It is amazing the performance that can be crammed into a chassis only an inch thick nowadays. I just prefer the best performance possible, which means bulky laptops built like tanks are my only option. I wish there were more options like this.

The 3070 draws 220 watts so I think you'll be fine building a desktop around that power constraint. I don't think your total power consumption would ever exceed 500 watts, and in most cases would likely be around 300 while gaming.

 

Similar height, similar mass, probably similar age too (170 cm, 75 kg), but I suffered a pretty bad injury in the army, and I can't carry anything heavy for too long before my entire right shoulder and upper right arm hurt like death. My 2.5kg Precision already feels a little too heavy.

 

That's a factor I failed to consider that heavily affects preferences.

The Ampere generation is shaping up to be absolute performance beasts though, so even when power limited in thinner and lighter notebooks, they should still perform very well.

 

Yup. Remember how hyped we were for Pascal when nvidia dropped the "m" from mobile GPUs because they finally reached near-parity with desktop GPUs? Ah, the good old days. Didn't take long for them to undo all the reasons we had to celebrate.

I too am still on a 1060 and now eying a 3070. Your patience is admirable. I'm not sure how much longer I'm willing to wait to upgrade!

 

Nvidia looks amazing and I wish my GT72 lived to pass the baton to it. From the numbers provided, I can see even the 3060 surpassing the consoles in raw power and with 1080p being adequate for 15"-17" screens and DLSS 2.0 being voodoo, laptops look to be in an OK place. Not benchmark stars, but good work mules.

Power and heat is a concern, thin-n-lights are not going to fair well. Maybe we need a 3-fan design [1CPU/2GPU]. Maybe GDDR6x can make it through the mobile RTX line to offset reductions elsewhere.

 

The sample population in question is "performance laptop buyers" not generic "laptop buyers". I doubt only 1% of people buying a high performance laptop are willing to carry around 10+ pounds. People who want performance are inherently willing to compromise on other factors whether it be size/cost/weight etc. Where's your data to back up that claim?

To the average human, a 10lb carry weight will NOT break their back. Ludicrous sensationalism.

 

I said, and meant ' all laptop buyers'. I never restricted the sample population at all, and I have no idea where you got this from.

It won't, yes; I was exaggerating to prove a point. Fact remains that 4.5 kg is extremely heavy for a laptop (like it or not) and such a laptop will not sell well, and is likely to be produced and marketed as a halo product (which some are: AW Area 51M, P870TM, the new Clevo, MSI GT76 Titan). This list is not exhaustive, but I'm quite certain I can count the DTRs that have been released in the past half decade on two hands, maximum, whereas there are hundreds of ~2kg notebooks that have been released from 2015-2020.

 

That's the exact problem with your point though. If you look at the population of ALL laptop buyers, the vast majority are not interested in performance machines. Collectively, the vast majority of laptop buyers are purchasing laptops for office work, school work, multimedia entertainment, etc - not gaming or other heavy workloads. Since these consumers would never buy a performance laptop at all (and we are talking exclusively about the size and weight of performance laptops), it is not fair to include them in the sample size of consumers willing to live with a 10lb performance laptop because they are not the target market for performance machines of any weight to begin with. Your point is a distortion of reality.

I'm not going to make numbers up on the spot, but I guarantee the percentage of people in the market for a performance machine who are willing to live with 10lbs+ machines is much higher than 1%. My evidence is, if this weren't the case, then extremely high performance bulky laptop designs wouldn't exist in the numbers that they do. It would not be worth the effort for companies to invest in the R&D, design, manufacture, and marketing for such complex and expensive machines for 1% of an already niche (performance laptop) market.

 

My solar array is 600w but most of the time is only produces around 350-450w depending on the angle of the sun. Most of I've seen it produce is 537w. Plus you have inverter conversion loss, lithium battery loss. Total loss is around 15-20% of total solar production, its my reason for a huge lithium battery bank of 500ah at 12v.

 

I would bargain that buying those large bulky laptops with desktop class CPU and GPU are still in the 1% or less range of all sold GAMING laptops. Lets not even bring in the people who don't care about gaming.

 

I have no problem carrying around a 10lb DTR, and I say this as a small 5’8” 130lb guy (though I am young and in phenomenal shape), it’s the ridiculous dual power supply requirements these days that annoy me. But I understand chunky laptops aren’t for everyone, I just happen to prioritize performance.

 

My laptop weights like 10 Kg (22 lb) including both power supply, and I don't care. I only take it out of home like once or twice at year. I also have a small laptop which is suitable for work office and is easy to travel with. Now that's big brain

I would have a desktop PC but I don't like the fact that you need so much cable, and it so much pain in the butt to move it around the house. That's why a desktop replacement is perfect to me and I don't care if it is heavy or bulky

of course this kind of laptop is not for everyone

 

That totally makes sense. I wish I had a nice gaming laptop back when Doom released (Yes.. 1993). I used to throw my desktop (CRT MONITOR LOL) into my car and drive to a friends house every Saturday night and we'd play LAN games all night. Like 5 or 6 of us at least all brought our computers over. Beer.. food... LAN games... good times... (my friend's wife made some killer ****ing burritos.. damn son..)

Man those were the days when we were all looking for the fastest 2D card.. hah .. S3 had some good stuff back then.

 

That's my use case for my monster 83. Lol

I go around drop it on a side table or something and hang out a few days with family and friends. Lol

 

I'm not (6'4", 205 lb, with probably close to 35 years on you), but I don't mind being a pack mule. I've had a couple of workstation-class laptops (Dell Precision M6500, Thinkpad P70) which I've loaded to the gills with storage and taken on trips with photo gear (including a Sigma 50-500, which weighs close to 5 lb itself). The limiting factor is the regulation weight of a carryon (40 lb, I prefer to be a bit under just in case). We had one vacation in Reno, flew back home through Phoenix, it was late evening, I was tired and desperately hungry, we were walking all over the airport trying to find something I would eat. Probably walked about 2 miles with all that gear. That was pretty heavy. But I prefer having the performance, and even more so, the storage capacity. Try relying on cloud storage out at a campsite with spotty internet. Fuhgeddaboutit. But I'd prefer to put that weight into the CPU and cooling and lots o'storage; I can do some photo processing with GPU assist (on Linux), but I don't play any games more demanding than Minesweeper on the lowest level.

Take up rowing as a workout. Don't need a river, do it on an indoor machine. That will get you in shape for this kind of thing.

 

These days we just take our chromebook when we travel. It's super small and light. Good enough to do basic stuff at the hotel with. I don't think i'd need a laptop at all if we were just camping, better off just disconnecting from tech altogether at that point, better for mental health.

 

Yeah I'm on vacation right now...ends Tuesday and I just brought my tablet and cell..rarely use the tablet

 

I have a nikon d750 with a 70-300mm lens, pretty heavy but not compared to a 50-500mm lens

 

It's for processing photos each day. On a typical vacation, I might take 200-400 photos a day and I don't want everything to pile up.

 

I am a performance nut myself but i'm not lugging around 4+kgs of laptop for just 20% more performance. That is just absurd and goes against the purpose of getting a laptop.

If you're just using it at home sure, sign me up. But as a laptop for actual portable use its a hell naw for me.