STEAM: You are Dead to Me:(

I used to like game boxes, when there was actually stuff in them! Now it's an 8-page useless user's manual. Ahh, those were the days when you actually would get a user's manual, a short back story mini-novel, fold out map or poster, and some other trinket. And get into flight sims, I still have the original Falcon 4 with spiral bound 500+ page manual, maps, and the whole shebang for only $40 new! I actually picked up another when it was discounted to $10!

 

I hate you. Nice find.

 

Steam is convenient. You don't have to go out, find the store that has it, wait in line, etc etc. All you need to do is type in your credit card number and wait for it to download.

Now, what is NOT convenient is getting all your games taken away from you. That is definitely not convenient....

 

TBH, I think I have three F4 binders. One opened, the other two still in wrapper. How can you pass up $10? I was hoping to fetch a nice profit one day, but I think that day has passed. They were going for as much as $150 on eBay a few years ago. I should have cashed in at the time. But greed got the best of me!

 

basically my opinion. ignorance or lack of care will never grant you anything good. any doctrine advocating ignorance as pleading factor goes against humanity as a whole.

 

I cheated in source with some friends and all my 10 online steam games were banned. probally lost 200 like that. That is a joke if you ask me, when money is invovled, they should not be able to do that. If anything just the game you cheated in not all 10.

 

Wow, you cheat and expect sympathy from us? The people who want to have some fun in a game and have to leave the server because of a hacker screwing everything up? Sorry, but no, that's more like a Nelson from Simpsons "haw haw" in your direction and a big good riddance.

 

LOL i cheat once for 30 minutes in source, just to try it, because i was fed up with cheaters myself, and get 150 bucks worth of different games banned? what a joke, your obviously one of those steam fanboys. i was openly cheating and told people i was in free for all servers. please please i want your random internet sympathy (no). You act like you never cheated in your life, sure buddy.

 

But cutting off access to ALL of his games is a bit extreme now don't you think? Same goes for the creator of this topic. Steam should at least give a refund but nope, ALL your games are gone forever, all that hard-earned money down the freaking drain due to one slip-up, that is quite upsetting if you ask me. I really feel bad for the topic creator and Lethal Lottery, I hope things will work out with you with Steam....

I don't have a Steam account yet but am thinking of getting one soon with the nice weekly Steam deals that come around such as Tomb Raider Anniversary for $5. But now after reading this topic, if I download a game from them, I'm going to burn it on a DVD and in case Steam decides to revoke the license, I'll find a way to remove/disable the DRM and still be play the game.

If I cheat in a game, I should not lose ALL the games I bought through Steam, and the same goes if I bought a code from Ebay, we should read the Terms of Service but most of us don't but it is still not fair to revoke all the games you purchased and having lost all that money.

And now that OnLive service is thinking of making all consoles and gaming PCs obsolete with their streaming of games from their own consoles and computers. What if their servers go down when I want to play a game or they remove an older game I've been wanting to play? Now these companies are constantly gaining more and more control with all this DRM and such and they control the games, not us and I find it scary and disturbing.

 

Trust me, I have all the sympathy in the world for the OP and others who have lost their accounts, minus Lethal Lottery.

Even if you don't consider it as just as what happened to LL, at least it'll probably help him not to cheat again. That's all I need to hear.

 

The punishment was far too severe for the crime. You really think if I cheat online on a game I bought from Steam, I should never be able to play not only that game I cheated on (single or multiplayer modes), but also ALL OTHER games I have bought from the service? Come on, cheating is not THAT BAD to deserve that punishment.

I feel what is more appropriate is to be banned from playing that certain game again online, to be banned from the multiplayer portion of the game, don't you think that is a far more appropriate punishment?

 

It's what he agreed to when he joined Steam. Obviously you don't play much online it seems, but cheaters are useless and even more annoying than pimply-faced teenagers yelling every type of racial slur at you. At least you can mute those people, cheaters force you to quit the game because they have nothing to do but try to ruin other peoples fun.

Sorry if you don't share my viewpoint, but those types of people can have their games taken away because of their ignorance and stupidity. I have no problem with that.

 

I have never played online multiplayer games, the only multiplayer games I play are splitscreen ones on a console at a friend's house and even then, very very very rarely. 99% of my time is on singleplayer games.

So I admit I don't quite understand how annoying an online cheater can be. I still feel the penalty of losing all games is far too severe.

 

Analogy time:
I always saw ppl parking where they are not supposed to, so I parked there for 30 min and got a $150 ticket. unfair? no, I broke the law.

You just got busted in the act. even if you cheated 300 hours or just 1 second there you broke the agreement you accepted when you installed steam, if you didnt like their rules you shouldnt have bought the games with steam in the first place

 

Cheaters in online games aren't the ones that type in a code and get all the weapons. They actually HACK to allow them to fly, shoot everyone in the head, move super fast... basically everything you could think of to try and ruin everyone else game.

 

Or cheated.....

 

That's a terrible analogy. Here's a more accurate one:

You get a parking ticket on your 2003 Camry. You have to pay for it (Being banned from online play on 1 game), they also take your car (Banning you from the entire game itself if it's single and multiplayer), but they also take every other car you own.

Fair? No.

As far as the EULA/Terms go, Steam has simply been unchallenged on the legality of what they're doing to people. If we're talking legal here, there's a principle of readability in legally binding contracts. I believe it's Florida that requires homeowner's insurance policies to be a 45 or higher on the Fleisch-Kincaid readability scale. Steam's subscriber agreement is a 39. I think given the right case, Steam can be challenged and lose out on their EULA.

 

All car analogies when talking about computers are dumb. I really wish people would stop using them.

 

Which is dumber; people that complain about car analogies, or people who insist an outdated and archaic copyright system actually applies in its current form to intellectual property? I'm fairly sure it's the latter, and you're solidly in that sad little camp.

 

I was complaining about car analogies... and you say the latter is dumber.... You do know what latter means, right? Maybe you meant former.

As for if you actually were saying I insist on an outdated and archaic copyright system actually applies in its current form to intellectual property... are you referring to Steam and it's ability to take away someones account? okay....

 

Good grief... I'm going to ignore that embarrassment of a first paragraph.

The only reason Steam is able to get away with banning an entire account and access to every game somebody has bought is because copyright law has not caught up yet so they have been unchallenged. They get away with it because they claim you're paying for a service, not a game. So when you violate the rules in one game, you're not just breaking a game rule, you're violating the rules of their service. Well it just so happens that without their service you don't have your games, but they get around that because they're not banning you from your games, they're banning you from their service, nevermind that their service is the only way to access your games.

It's exploiting current copyright laws to their advantage, and it's dishonest business.

 

I have to take the side of the OP, Lethal lottery, and others that lost all of their games due to one mess up. It just isn't right to make someone pay for every game they have twice because of one mistake.

 

Regardless . . . this thread has reached the end of its useful life and is now closed.