Sager 5791 vs Toshiba X205

I'm not really sure which one to get. I don't game a whole lot, but like to occasionally. I bring my notebook with me every day, but do not always get it out to use. I don't travel a whole lot, just back home now and then for a few days, and even then I don't use the notebook in the vehicle, as I'm either driving or reading.

I get the impression that the toshiba is fairly large, even for a 17". I have looked at the 15" systems with the 8600GT and am curious how they perform against the 8700M. I don't anticipate playing any games that necessarily require an 8700, except maybe Crysis if the reviews are good. I'm ok with medium-high details at a minimum; I don't usually like low detail.

I had a VAIO SZ680 that I sold to someone. Stuff came up with my other notebook and things so I was going to have to keep it, but I already promised it to someone.

 

im deciding betwen the same exact 2 systems myself right now..

 

I should probably know better anyway. I have played games for a total of maybe 45 minutes in the past 2 weeks.

 

Only reason I'm considering the X205 is because it's about $500 cheaper than the Sager config that will ship before November. I'm afraid it might be a bit too large/heavy to bring around every day.

Then again, I carry my son a lot and he's a bit heavier

 

the X205 is not too bad I carry it to work. But I do tell you people will say it's huge......but I do like how it distributes heat.

 

If you require medium high details at a minimum, don't get an 8600M-GT, as the only ones that won't dissapoint you with games like Crysis would be possibly the GDDR3 version, which are usually expensive enough that you could get a 17" with an 8700M-GT (which should be fine for you since it sounds like portability isn't of utmost concern).

Both the Sager and the Toshiba will give similar performance, the Sager is slightly more portable, but probably not worth the extra money. Out of curiosity, what prices are you looking at?

 

There's also the HP 8710p with an 8700M-GT which is much more portable than either...
Get a mod to move this thread to the what to buy section, that should help

 

The Sager has better quality, a more exotic design, and most importantly will come with top-of-the-line service through a reseller. If you go through a place like PowerNotebooks or XoticPC or one of the other resellers listed in the Clevo Guide then I can guarantee you will get a level of service far above what Toshiba can deliver.

Another thing to note about the Sager vs. the Toshiba is that the Sager has a nicer higher-resolution screen.

 

im 99% im ordering the clevo waiting for justin to call me back....

 

The 8710p looks good, lighter than the other two. The problem with the sager is that they always take forever to ship, time I don't have.

Any compatibility problems with the Quadro thing?

 

if you order it with the wuxga i was told they are in stock and ready to ship.. the sager i mean.

 

What's this HP 8710p? Is that an upcoming model? I don't see it on their site.

Does it have DVI (or some digital output)?

All I see is the 9500dt, which only has an 8600GS (boo!).

I guess I should look into these Sager things more. I'd feel uncomfortable buying anything but a big brand, but...

 

its a hp business system go to the hp for business web site

 

So it looks like those are only Quadro versions of the cards? And if they're the equivalent of an 8700GT, it's beyond strange that they wouldn't offer that in the "consumer" laptops too.

 

they are the same thing just use different drivers and you can install the regular 8700gt drivers on them and they are the same thing after that

 

I would be all for the Sager 5791 but the Toshiba X205 SLi3 looks really good for the money. I don't know which version of the X205 you are looking at the SLi3 version seems really promising. Though it maybe for a more serious gamer. The SLi1 may be more your in your range and still offer great gaming ability. Since they are very new, I have yet to see any benchmarks of the 8600 in SLi. Plus the Toshibas offer dual HDD and HD Dvd drives.

 

That's not always true. When I bought my Sager I had it in less than two weeks (9 business days).
Trust me, there's nothing a business feels worse about than lost sales so I can assure you Sager is doing everything they possibly can to get orders fulfilled.

 

Really very curious as to the Sager's performance with the 8700GT seeing as how its factory OC'd last I heard.

one of the most annoying things about this 8700GT is knowing how well it performs and how cool it is at 775/938 and being forced into 625/700 when I use the drivers which actually allow me to use DX10 to any degree.

 

What I'm concerned with with any SLI notebooks are that you won't be able to get (new) drivers for them that enable SLI. These new waves of notebooks have Intel chipsets, which presumably means the regular reference drivers won't work-or rather, maybe they'd work, but only allow one card to function.

If that's the case, then I think you're far better off getting a single faster GPU, as we know none of these companies is going to provide timely driver updates for the next five years

 

I'm fairly certain the M570RU's 8700M-GT isn't factory overclocked, I though it ran at nVidia stock clocks? (625/800)

 

It does. They're not OCd. That's up to the buyer.

 

I saw the X205 in person, and was glad I chose the 5791, IMO, it looks alot better! Performance wise, the 8700GT I got with it runs Team fortress 2 at 50-75fps in max graphics in 1920x1200.. It's good enough for me until the 9700GT comes out and I can just swap em

Mine's configured with an HD-DVD drive, T7500, 4GB patriot ram, 250GB 5400rpm HDD, WUXGA etc etc... ($2600 USD) I'd reccomend this config anyday :
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I briefly considered a HP 8710p as an alternative to a Sager NP5791 until I realized the HP lacks a web cam, and its sound system is inferior to the 5791. Weight wise I didn't see it as significantly different (the HP being 7.7 and the Sager being 8.3).

The Sager is also much more customizable (unlike the HP and Toshiba). On that note: it looks like Sager changed their promotion - instead of getting a free media center remote and usb connector they are now offering $100 off the upgrade to a WUXGA screen. On a disappointing note it looks like the option for the white/silver trim no longer exists on either Sager or its resellers websites.

I'm also considering the 579x and x205-sli3 systems, but I'll likely wait to read feedback and test results on how the sli preforms and the effects it has on the rest of the system (battery life, weight, heat, etc) before making a decision.

 

Yeah, the 8710p is not nearly as multimedia oriented as the Sager, though I think the portability issue is a major one. At base configs the HP is .8lbs lighter, half an inch thinner, and an inch less depth (width is only .1" less). Also battery life on the 8710p can be significantly better with extended battery options.

 

Nvidia is the one you need to worry about to provide drivers for the video cards, not Toshiba or whoever makes the laptop. The most current drivers out today support SLi very well for both 32 and 64 bit Vista. Here are some very recent pics of the 8700gt in Sli on the D901C scroll down the page to Justin's post

 

The Nvidia reference drivers work in SLI for Intel based systems? My understaning is that Nvidia has to release special drivers for Intel based SLI systems. Not like how normal notebooks "don't work" but actually work fine with reference drivers, but like they really truly won't work in SLI on an Intel chipset.

 

I just bought and received my Sager 5791 with:
4GB Ram
Vista Home Prem. 64-bit
nVidia GeForce Go 7950 GTX
80GB hard drive
etc...

I ordered on monday and got it on friday of the same week( i choose 3 day select)

it is BEAUTIFUL

I am very very happy with how it arrved. THere was NO, and I mean NO, bloatware(software i always have to delete). Just what I wanted and no more. Absolutely beautiful.

THis is my 4th!! laptop(other brands) and by far the best. I would buy another from Sager in a heartbeat.


The only shortcoming on Sager is that they are not communicative about what they are doing with your order, they just get it and work on it... not a bad thing.

So.. there you go.


Kevin

 

775/938? Are you serious? If that's the case, that's an awesome overclock and am tempted to return my Vostro and deal with the heavier 17" in the Sager.

Can you do a hardware overclock like you can with the 8600m? You probably can, and don't worry about the drivers then.