Sager and M17x 5870 Better?

http://optimitza.cat/news/2010/05/06...-gt-330m-310m/

This link suggests that the 5870 in the m17x and sager is better than the one in the g73 and gx740? How is this possible, they are the same chipset arent they? Also my friends g73 only seems to get 6.8 in the windows 7 index but in other reviews the sager 8690 gets 7.4 in gaming graphics on the win 7 index. So whats the verdict? Thanks guys

EDIT: Seems like link has been removed. But basically the 5870 got 8400 in 3dmark but the g73's 5870 got around 7800 marks

 

Better to overclock but seriously virtually they are all the same including the same pins everything even though the Asus G73Jh is a reversed card.

 

what u mean reversed card?

 

Asus likes to do things different- they usually reverse the GPU card connectors and can only be used in Asus notebooks. This means next to impossible GPU upgrades.

 

but that shouldnt mean that performance should be less >.>

 

They have different vBIOS as well, if it matters.

 

Asus makes their own video cards. They are bigger than reference cards as well. They have been known to be less reliable than reference AMD cards and have the GSOD issue which the AMD cards do not as far as I know. Dell and Clevo use reference cards built by AMD.

 

I get 7.3 WEI in Windows 7 Pro 64-bit on my GX740 with stock clocks.

 

It seems to me Alienware's vbios is a lot more stable than Asus. For whatever, it's clear to me the vbios is the thing that Asus slacked the most on and has really shafted G73 users.

Once they can actually update and rectify this problem, hoping the issues we've been seeing ends.

But the other problem is the variations. There is only one Asus vBios right now. But it's odd that I and many others can change drivers easily, overclock, game with overclocking etc without any issues. Others seem to fail everywhere.
- I can only conclude that a number of users are abusing their systems or there is something wrong with Asus manufacturing batches or AMD. Either one.

 

@5150Joker
- I edited the Asus vBios to match the voltage as your Alienware.

Check out these new temps, running Unigine 2.0 high in window mode for 10 minutes, 800/1100 overclock, 98/99% GPU use.

It would seem you are correct, I don't see any stability issues or any problems in terms of performance. But it sure does run about 8C-10C less. About 8C less on dispIO and about 10-15C less on memIO.

Only thing left is somehow to figure out PowerPlay idle/2D to work. It downclocks when watching videos and on battery, but on idle, no change, lame lame lame and very lame.
- Currently using two profiles, one performance with powerplay performance and other idle with battery saving, switchable via hotkey.

 

ahh... ziddy how did u edit the vbios?

 

Probably with this.

 

interesting thread.

I am also curious as to why asus underclocks their cards sometimes and why the voltages are always diff from alienwares.

 

Yes. But the vBios I used was actually edited further by Xeven with options you cannot do with RBE. I think Xeven has quite bit of programming background, wrote his own emulator etc. But definitely seems capable.
- This vBios I'm using is an edited Asus vBios also, not an Clevo, Dell or MSI.

I took his vBios and undervolted to the same as Dell/Alienware's.

Please note, Clevo also has 1.15v for their vBios. This 1.05 seems to be a Dell/Alienware thing, far as I know MSI also has 1.15v.

OverDrive is disabled for Clevo, MSI and Dell/Alienware. The OverDrive unlock for Asus is Xeven's magic alone. Very awesome from Xeven.

 

With the significance of the temperature decrease going from 1.15v to 1.05v, it seems to be something beneficial for anyone who doesn't overclock (and may even be stable for some who do). Considering it was still stable at 800/1095 at the lowered voltage, perhaps you can try going even lower to see how cool you can make it run at stock clocks.

Also, I'll rep you when I can.

 

Overdrive is not disabled for MSI .

 

where can u get this xeven? also have u solved the problems with powerplay ziddy? This would be great as there's a trick like this for NVDIA.. would be great if this is in ATI..

 

PowerPlay works going on battery. So when on battery, it's 200 core, 500 memory.

Solution for on power, is to create two profiles.
- Performance profile you set PowerPlay to performance
- IDLE you set your PowerPlay to Battery Saving

Use short cut keys. For me Ctrl+Alt+P = Performance

Takes less than a second to press and there you go. ATM it's not automatic, but if you aren't lazy it's fine.

 

Xeven is a member you'll find in the Asus forums.

 

how come it's that high considerin it's a laptop? desktop cards when saving power are at 157 core and 300 mem

 

there was a riva tuner tweak which worked for NVDIA cards.. similar to urs but automatic.. maybe try that? I've put the link just in case.. Also ziddy how is the vBIOS? Is it stable at the lower voltages?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...-rivatuner-better-powermizer-alternative.html

anyways , give it a try..