Samsung releases 17 inch gamer with HD 6970M. Where is Asus and MSI?

I came across this review recently: Review Samsung Series 7 Gamer 700G7A Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

So, Samsung has outdone Asus and MSI in the gaming section. Of course the new Samsung isn't flawless (although I have to say the design is very nice), but I'm surprised that they put a 6970m into this machine. Currently the strongest graphics card Asus and MSI can offer is the 560m and 570m, respectively.

So, what do you guys think? Why is Asus and MSI lagging behind? The 6970m has been out a log time now and none of these gaming brands support any of the top tier cards (485m, 580, 6970m, 6990m). It seems to me that the ROG line and MSI can't compete with Alienware, Clevo, and now Samsung (didn't see that coming!)

Will Asus and MSI follow up, or are they fine with being relegated to the mid-range gaming section?



PS: The 6970m in this machine is running at 1.05V instead of the more common 1.1V (Clevo, AW)

 

Dont forget the Samsung one also has a nice backlit keyboard & 3D screen for AMD. :3
If i dident buy my Clevo P170HMx i would have gotten the Samsung one.

 

Wow that's an ugly laptop. The specs somewhat make up for it though.

 

These remind of Sagers in appearance. Samsung's 830 Series SSDs look ten times sexier than their actual laptops. Go figure!

 

That price is way above ASUS' offerings.

 

Seems a bit pricey right now. If they can find a sweet spot around $1300-1400 then it would be a fair price.

A sager with a 6990M can be had for $1400... Samsung needs to lower the price.

 

Why are you dragging in MSI? They have GT780DXR with GTX 570M. It is very close to 6970M performance

Asus on the other hand. The best model they have is the G74SX with GTX 560M.

 

6970m is about same performance over 570m as 580m is over 6970m. 6970m is 256-bit bus, the 570m is 192-bit. The 570m is no slouch by any means, but I think the 6970m is a better performer by a solid 15-20%.

Plus I think OP is just mentioning that ASUS and MSI aren't pushing the envelope and offering top tier cards like a gaming machine should.

In any case, the Samsung looks like a nice unit. Actually has a keyboard designed for 17" and backlit, neither of which are in the Clevo 17".

 

MSI is bringing official support for GTX 580m in their laptops so that just leaves ASUS ;p.

 

Asus is targetting a wider audience with their laptops, so more profit for them.

 

Samsungs first gaming laptop. I would expect quite a few bugs for them to work out before it will be able to compete with SAGER and Alienware.

 

the 570M isn't top tier, and at the time it was launched the 485m had been around for some time-

This is excactly what I meant
Hopefully Clevo will have a better keyboard for 17 inchers in the future. Doesn't look like the Ivy bridge model will bring a new keyboard.

I didn't know that. Good for MSI

 

dont forget the MSI GT780 line will soon have GTX 580M

 

MSI already has an offering in that performance realm

The 570m is pretty much dead-even with the 6970m assuming both users aren't going to leave it stock. Some games will run better on the 6970m, some better on the 570m.

New BIOS and drivers have significantly boosted the 570m and its overclockability.
(3300+ 3dmark11 with latest drivers/BIOS/reasonably likely overclock/temps below 85C even during furmark)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/622755-570m-overclock-5.html

The 192-bit memory interface vs 256-bit is a non-issue at resolutions 1080p and below. If you wish to game above 1080p, then I agree the 6970m has an advantage.

The above being said, Samsung makes some very VERY impressive (and in my experience reliable) hardware.

 

Nice laptop ! but Battlefield 3 with 1920x1080 - ultra 4x MSAA, 16xAF 19 fps.

Not cool lol.

 

Cool. 580M coming soon to MSI.

I don`t agree at all with OP that MSI is lagging behind. They were the first to offer the 570M RIGHT AFTER it was officially announced by Nvidia. They have upgraded their CPU line according to Intel pushing out new Sandy Bridge CPUs. Now 580M which should result in a thread, "Alienware offering 6990M and 580M with their laptops, Sager too, MSI just recently added 580M, Where are Samsung and Asus?"
Which again could be asked at this very moment. Why are Samsung so much better when they are so far behind the rest of the competition (Sager and Alienware).

I agree with Asus though. They are all about mainstream notebooks branded with a misguided G-series logo (Gamers republic lol).

 

I am not sure what you are expecting... that's one of the most stressing games on the market right now and with settings that would humble most single-GPU desktops.

Indeed at those settings, you likely need a Desktop 570 or 6970 to get even 30fps... and they just can't get that kind of power in a laptop at this time.
Nevermind the fact laptop CPUs aren't able to be OC'd to the 4.5GHz i5s we see as the norm for benchmarking sites...

 

Source??

 

3 MSI resellers RKcomputer, GentechPC and Xotic confirmed this, dont ask me to list the direct link.

Also up until now is 570M available anywhere else rather than MSI?

 

I run BF3 on my overclocked eVGA GTX 460 desktop card and can run 1920x1200 at 50+ fps at mix of high/ultra.

 

With AA off?

They say that the 6970m perform just as good as a desktop GTX460

 

Right... so from the previous example, turn off 4xAA and turn down some things to high from ultra and the Samsung will run slightly slower than your desktop.


BF3 at 1080p with everything on and 4xAA slows down even a 4GHz i5 with an OC'd GTX 560Ti.

 

I don't know that I'd say that, especially an OC'd desktop card with super fast GDDR5:

GPU: 850 (v 720 stock)
Shader: 1700 (v 1440)
Stream Processors: 336
VRAM: 1GB 3900 MHz (v 3600 MHz)

Here's my config:

 

right so try it now with Ultra pre-set and 4x AA

 

That's beside the point. The 570m is weaker at stock and it has never been top tier.

 

I just did a quick round and 30-40 outside, hovering around 35, 40-45 inside.

 

Man you are funny OP. This whole thread is hilarious.

What do you really mean? What is your point? Samsung is releasing a GPU that have been out here for almost a freakin year, it is way behind Sager and Alienware and the 580M and 6990M and you praise it like Samsung is some kind of Gamer king.

Well here is some reality for you: Neither 570M or 6970M can play all games in the highest settings. So praising it to be uber gaming rig when it is struggling is so totally off that I can`t even describe it.
You acknowledge that MSI isn`t pushing "the envelope and offering top tier cards" but don`t realize that neither does Samsung.

 

The 570m and 6970m perform similarly... anything else is just someone making a bad comparison.

The point is the Samsung is competing with the MSI... you can argue sematics all you like about "top-tier", it just doesn't really mean anything that the 6970m was once the best AMD had.

The 570m DOES compete with the 6970m, you just need to stop perpetuating false concepts.

 

What? I'm not praising Samsung as a Gamer King? I'm just saying I'm surprised that Samsung(!) has released a notebook that is more powerful than any of the current MSI or Asus machines. That's all. Now I know that MSI will have the 580m soon.

I just thought this was a bit surprising and interesting. Is that hilarious?

You didn't ask the purpose of this thread before, but I will answer your question. I made this thread to have a discussion about gaming notebook brands, and how two of the brands who promote their machines as gaming notebooks aren't using the top tier cards (which we now know MSI will).

So I ask of you, contribute of "GTFO"

 

I thinking to buy this Samsung, but i have to go some rounds with myself as i already have a Asus GTX480 desktop card and a Ausus Essense ST soundcard lying around here someplace. I like laptops much more than the big clumpy dekstops, but ofcourse its much cheaper if i go for a dektop.

I already have a laptop with GTX460m, but the speed in Full HD its not optimal

Buy the new Samsung or a desktop

What would you do in my place?

 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree regarding performance. My point was that I expect more from brands that promote themselves as gaming notebooks, but now we are seeing that from MSI as well..

 

Even a notebook that have the 560M/5870 can be called a gaming laptop imo

 

if it has gtx its for gaming derp.

 

Any 17" "gaming" laptop should be able to handle a top end card. IIRC the 6990m and 580m are both 135W TDP cards, the 570m and 6970m are 100W.

 

That's obvious.

 

But GPUs aside, the laptop looks good. I am too a bit suprised that Samsung is jumping on the high end notebooks. Interesting indeed

Now could the 28nm GPUs release already. Sick of searching through recent articles about them with google

 

correction: 6970m is 75-100w
570m is 75w
6990m and 580m and 485m are 100w

 

Well, I guess you will believe what you believe... I posted evidence... you post what you believe... we let everyone else decide which they think is correct.

I am not sure why people are surprised... the desktop versions of these cards perform similarly as well. (460 vs 6850)

 

100w is the current limit with mxm 3.0b i think. (oh god dont invent a new 3.0c :-s)

 

I had to choose between a desktop build or buy a Clevo from Multicom.no a while back, and i took the Clevo option since i tend to travel allot and a big notebook is just easier to pack with me.

All depends on your usages, but i mean a 460m aint that terrible, a small OC and it should be good enough.

 

Tom's got around ~40fps on HIGH preset with a GTX460 at 1080p...

Methinks your sample is not quite as large, or maybe you are just magic.

 

Thanks for your reply DEagleson

The thing is that i travel very seldom, but still like laptops much better. They looks better and they take little space. But as i already have a 480 card(still good?) and a good soundcard i would save alot of cash if i go desktop instead of this Samsung. But the Samsung tempt me alot with its very good screen and fast cpu/gpu

 

If these two cards perform similarly at stock then, by your logic, the 6970m performs similarly to the 6990m and the 580m...

As HTWingNut has already posted the 6970m is about 15-20% faster than the 570m at stock. Stats according to notebookcheck:
Vantage: 15% faster
3DMark11: 23% faster
Anno 2070 Ultra: 25% faster
Skyrim Ultra: 18% faster
BF3 Ultra: 6% faster
Deus Ex Ultra: 29% faster
Dirt 3 Ultra: 6% faster
Crysis 2 Ultra: 16% faster
Bad Company 2: 21% faster

I know some people will say that notebookcheck's benches aren't reliable, so do feel free to find more reliable results and to correct me if I've done any mistakes.

Notebookcheck link: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Perhaps on a stock clocked unit. But on High (post AA only, and no HBAO), I get 50+ at 1920x1200. If I set default High I get about 40-50.

 

Im not that updated on the desktop side of computers but i think the 480 should still be a good card, and if not you could always make a dual card solution by dedicating the 480 as a PhysX card.

Setting up a proper SLI or Crossfire setup on desktops is just not worth it for a average joe. (like me)
To much hassle.

 

Agree. A fast single GPU is enough

 

Eeh...The price of it will certainly turn down a lot of buyers so I still think MSI and Asus will rule in the gaming category.

 

According to every benchmark I have seen, 6970M is ahead of 570M by approximately 15-20% in most cases as people already pointed out, even in games that HUGELY favor Nvidia cards like Dirt 3, 6970M still outperforms 570M by a small margin.

570M is NOT based on desktop GTX460, 485M and 580M are. 570M has less shaders and smaller memory bus compared to them, its real world performance is a lot closer to 560M rather than to 580M, especially if you run intensive games at 1080P with AA turned on, which requires heavy memory bandwidth, and that's exactly where 570M lacks (almost equal to a 5870M in this department according to GPU-Z). The 192 bit bus width severely limits its competition against other high end cards.

 

Yeah, magic Whatever...

Here's 9 minutes of Operation Firestorm at 1920x1200 preset high settings (see at 3:40-4:00 for settings). Feel free to stare at the FPS (rarely ever goes to 40 or below, typical 43-45, frequently to 50 or more, avg about 45). No audio because my kids were screaming and talking in the background. I have Caspian too if you'd like. I think I even have Damavand Peak too. What else would please you, master? Sheesh.

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Guys, Are the 5870's in crossfire good another year or they are below today gaming standard?