Samsung releases 17 inch gamer with HD 6970M. Where is Asus and MSI?

You'll be fine with the 5870 crossfire and if you're not buy the 6990's and throw those into the R2 and run around for another few years.

 

Yeah, 5870 Xfire should be fine for another year or so. It's pretty much on par with the 6970m, as long as the xfire profiles work well for you (i.e. no micro stutter).

 

Did you notice something else while going through the game performance list?
Here is some food for thought. This is 6970 faster or slower:
Anno 2070:
Ultra settings: 25% faster
High settings: 20% faster

Skyrim:
Ultra settings: 19% faster, not 18%
High settings: 13% slower
Medium settings: 23% slower

Battlefield 3:
Ultra settings: 6% faster
High settings: 12% faster
Medium settings: 11% faster

Call of duty Black ops:
Ultra settings: 2% slower
High settings: 31% slower
Medium settings: 33% slower

As you can see the performance difference between these two GPUs go everything from 20% faster, to 33% slower. It is a lot faster in Anno and Skyrim, scoring 20% and 16% faster performance. Plus you forgot to mention that Ultra is unplayable @ Skyrim with both GPUs, but High settings is not and here 6970M is 13% slower than 570M. Reason? Bandwith. In 1080p which is Ultra settings, the 6970M can handle a lot more bits than 570M, and perform much better. 6970M have memory bandwith of 256bit while 570M "only" have 192bit. But the comparison is NOT that easy. Nvidia have worked closely with EA with the game Battlefield 3, and you can see the results of that on the comparison I made. In 1080p the difference is now only 5% better frames with 6970M. But wait, why so big difference between Skyrim and BF3?

Drivers

You see, that is something people often forget. Although the hardware of one GPU is greater than the other, Nvidia have always been better than AMD to work close with game developers and to optimize their drivers to their GPUs. So they iron out some of the difference. I say some, because you can only do so much.

So where does this lead us? Is the difference of performance between the two really 20%, or is it 5%? It most certainly is not 20%. Well for some old games that is the case, but for newer games it is much less. That is why I am saying that 6970M performance is now close to 570M. Yes 6970M is faster, no doubt about that. But the picture is a whole lot more complex than an easy copy/paste of numbers like I mentioned earlier.

Of course this could be the biggest excuse ever (lol), or could have some context to it. Plus notebookcheck and their eager comparisons have proved to be a bit skewed a lot of times (Skyrim not playable with Ultra really?). Who knows, these GPUs are ancient history anyways so I really give a rats *ss. 7000/600 series here we come.

 

Skyrim unplayable on a HD 6970m when set to Ultra preset at 1920x1080?
Thats actually the graphic setting im playing on right now with the same GPU. :3
Ofc i disabled the AA and enabled the FXAA thingy instead.

Was working like a charm until Patch 1.2 with caused decreased performance for some reason. D;

 

More like 2-3 years with proper XFire Drivers. I can't see how 2x800 Shaders and 2x128-bit GDDR5 is only on the level of a 6970M. Should be a bit higher than that and for sure a bit more longer lasting...

 

Yes longer, but asked if good for at least another year, so that's an easy one!

 

But still... why buy an overpriced system with a 6970M when you can pay less and get a 6990M? I mean it makes sense with Alienware so you can have some laptop bling, but the Samsung just aint that pretty. It seems like one of those impulse buy systems for people who don't know their way around computers....

 

I personally like the look of the Samsung over the AW's and I do own an AW hahaha! However the better question is for the money, does Samsung provide a MXM 3.0b slot fort he 6970M or is it a proprietary/soldered variant...

 

Oh c'mon man. You can't just make stuff up. Read the review. In Deus EX a 6970M gets 45.1 FPS @ 1080p, while a 570M gets 32.4 FPS @ 1080p. The 6970M is almost 40% faster with that game. Clearly its a superior GPU...

Why get so emotional about a GPU? To anyone reading this do not trust that post, just read the review for yourself. Look at the games you care about and pick a GPU that performs better for those games.

 

LOL if you read my whole post you`d understand that the 6990M was a typo. Should have been 6970M. And Deus ex is one of the games where 6970M is faster. Again if you read my post you understand that it is not the average difference and that newer drivers have ironed out the difference in newer games along with some old games. So the scores Notebookcheck got there is most likely not what you get today. Like BF3 which is much more demanding than Deus ex, there the difference is only 5%.

So I am not making up any numbers. And I don`t own any of the GPUs so I actually don`t care. But thought it was worth mentioning. Cloudfire out!

 

... you're just omitting the numbers that conflict with your argument.

Fanboy wars aside, if you go team red or green it depends on the games you plan to play. Any smart consumer should just disregard this entire thread and look at the benchmarks on their own... 5% ... 40% .... numbers mean nothing to a fanboy

 

You still don`t get it do you?

Looking at the numbers and not looking between the lines is skewed. And how on earth am I a fanboy when I don`t own any of the GPUs and have no interest in any of them? I am looking at things objectively and comparing other things than FPS vs FPS.

Why do I even bother . Cloudfire out. For real this time

 

Umm... 5% .... 40% .... the arugment is pretty much dead at this point. I'm just saying you can't say "that card is only 5% faster", when it performs 40% faster in some games. It's simple math. I'm done now too... Night yall

 

Just thought I'd point out that your corrections are wrong and that the numbers for the settings you added are also wrong.

 

Yeah I missed a few of them

Anno 2070:
Ultra settings: 25% faster
High settings: 20% faster

Skyrim:
Ultra: 19% faster

 

Ok the Samsung's price is not an issue about it.. Its price is inline and almost the same as what you have to pay to get the notebook whether its MSI, Asus etc in Europe.. Here in the US, it will have to be lower. On the whole, it looks like a great deal and massive bravo to Samsung on their first try. Temps are bit high but on the whole, if I had this choice a year ago, definitely would consider it.

 

Notebookcheck's numbers are with old bios, old drivers, and at stock settings no one really uses. If I used the notebookcheck numbers for the 9800mGS I'd be underestimating it by 30% or more.

The point is that the two are similar, provided the user in question can handle flashing a bios and moving a slider. (If you can't handle that, then yes go for the 6970m.)

And YES the 570m is based on the Desktop 460... its the same number of shaders and can be clocked up fairly easily to full desktop clocks. The only difference is the lowered 192-bit memory bus (same as desktop 768 model)compared to the 256-bit of the 1GB version.

People get way too hung up on memory interface... as long as the bus isn't flooded, the memory bus is not as large of an impact at 1080p as some people would like to believe. This is why the Desktop 460 768MB was such a great price/performance card.

The above being said, the 6970m is most certainly a capable card. The points made above are that the Samsung is expensive in comparson to the MSI or even a Clevo with a 6990m in. (I hope no one is fanboi enough to claim their 6970m is better than a 6990m...)

 

The price the Samsung is selling for is 1499 english pounds.

That's over $2300 US dollars.
Dollars to donuts it comes down a bit, but not lower than $1800 or so, which means a clevo with 6990m is still a better deal.

 

The Samsung 700G7A sells for 2775 US dollars here in Norway but do note it ships with 3D matte 1920x1080 display and Bluray.
The good specs on a Asus RoG G74SX + 3D will set you back 2250 US dollars and its on sale.
Regular price is 2480 US dollars.

Buying a Clevo unit from Multicom.no with a HD 6990m wont be any cheaper.
I think Samsung is priced quite nice compared to the competition.

 

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Agree

Do you have this laptop?

 

I do not, but if it was on marked when i bought my Clevo P170HMx with a HD 6970m i would probably have gone the Samsung route.
3D display, nice glasses & backlit keyboard is such a nice bonus. :3

Could probably try to sell of my notebook and change but its not worth the hassle.
Nobody buys used gaming notebooks in Norway anyways. D;

 

I wouldn't compare Europe's price to US prices

 

Thats why i post prices on two different notebooks from the same store here in Norway.
But i usually post US dollar prices since this is a US forum.
Gotta obey the rules or else i get the wrath of the moderators.