Sli + Nehalem = NO

looks like nehalem wont support Sli, thanks intel

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7713&Itemid=1

 

WOOT WOOT! More for ATI!

 

someone was faster

there is already a thread in the hardware section about this strange move by intel.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=257695

 

o well, should be in gaming since it is A GAMERS NIGHTMARE...im getting ready to buy two gtx 280's, o well the q9450 should last long enough before sli does completely, or goes amd, pft

 

yep, if intel really does go down this road, it will be a nightmare...

... and it´s probably a wet dream for amd/ati.

like sideswipe said in the other post :

i cannot imagine that intel is that stupid, either they just like to shake a little more money out of nvidia, or the do really start thinking about entering the graphics market themselves. time will tell.
for now it´s just a cloud on the horizon.

 

this gives me the comfort somehow "sorry for saying that" seeing that i'm only facing Single GPUs makes me feel that my rig will last even longer than expected

 

Go go AMD!

 

Go ATI

 

If this goes down, nvidia will hurt very bad. O well there is alot of time anyways, its not like the first wave of nehalem chips are even worth it, they are just 45nm chips with on die memory controllers, big whoop. Im sure when nehalem goes to 32nm or whatever process is next, nvidia will have found a solution by then. We just have to wait longer till we have an sli chipset for these chips

 

Ya, however, Intel could get into trouble for that, since nvidia has a valid license.

 

HaloGod it looks that there arent no updates on your rigs for a couple of years (unless you are a freak and want GTX 280 haha)

 

actually i have saved enough to purchase two GTX 280's this month, been waiting, looks like ill need to stick with a 780i though for a long time

 

Nehalem sucks anyways.

 

i dont disagree with you or anything but why is it gonna suck? im just intested in its cons

 

are you the president or something? i dont know of someone who can save that much money after a such purchase on your system

 

HaloGod2007: I was just kidding

But it's kinda funny to read all the comments

 

oh lol. Well i know the first line up of the new chips wont be much different, the second wave of chips in 2009 that will make a difference worth upgrading to.
the 32nm Sandy Bridge and Westmere CPU's, and the 6 and 8 core 32nm dunnington cpu in 09 will catch my attention, nehalem is going to have a short life

 

Nehalem seems to be 20-30% faster than penryns (more in some cases), with memory latency issues due to an early platform. Those are the kinds of increases Conroe had over Athlon X2 when it came out. So even the first batch will be very good.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=3446651

 

nice info. But without sli nehalem wont offer any more performance in gaming, it will offer worse since i cant use my two cards, which makes it pointless unless you are just using a single card

 

Very true. However, most of the money is not in SLI. Though I doubt Intel will alienate the gamers. They even want Nehalem to be OC'd (or something Like that)

 

I don't know, I've always been satisfied with the latest greatest single card solution. 1440x900+AA is enough for me. Seeing SLI go wouldn't bother me too much.

 

yea i need sli for 1920x1200 with aa/af though, and now im reading more on how mainstream nehalem cpus wont allow overclocking, you will need the crazy expensive chips to overclock, is intel trying to lose their fans?
http://www.dvhardware.net/article26756.html

 

That's old news. They WILL allow overclocking:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Nehalem,5607.html

 

bah, 95% of people dont even use SLI, least of all laptop users. this wont really change anything

 

Ah, but you forget that Intel's high-end chips are targeted to the "more money than I know what to do with" crowd, which is the same crowd that buys SLI 9800GX2s (no offense intended to those here who may have SLI 9800GX2s or Core 2 Extremes lol). Because there is really no other explanation for spending $1500 on a processor that isn't even twice as fast as the $250 ones.

 

Yep ,posted something similar in the Hardware and upgrades section. http://www.techspot.com/news/30330-i...-chipsets.html ...
Kinda bad idea from Intel actually.

 

Only a very small portion of Intel chipset consumers use SLI or Crossfire, not that much money should be directly lost. It seems to me the bigger loss will be in people's perception, which is undoubtedly worse (eg. Vista's situation).

Oh, and Anand already proved that Nehalem is going to be an absolute monster, destroying all current consumer CPUs in every way possible.

 

well i feel stupid getting a q9450 now that i hear it will be garbage compared to nehalem

 

Don't worry about it, it'll be a year until you'd be able to buy Nehalem anyway. And if it comes out sooner, the prices will be far higher than current chips. Also, while 20-50% is impressive, in what situation are you actually CPU bound with your q9450? You aren't. Worry about GPUs instead, where performance improvements are CRUCIAL TO OUR LIVES!

 

isnt it coming out this year?

 

Yeah, the highend chips are projected to hit the market Q4

 

Maybe the very end of Q4. And they wont be affordable till late Q1 or Q2 of 2009. Often times these launches give way to quarter long shortages.

 

The mainstream lineup is projected at Q2 2009. This is if Intel sticks to the roadplan.

 

Nope, Montevina was just released.
So that's already a major release this year, Nehalem will wait till 2009.

 

but montevina is a laptop chipset, so a year from now is correct in when it will be available, ok i was thinking this year was the year to get it..so if intel sticks to their plan for mainstream chips in q2 2009, we may not be upgrading till q3 or q4 of 09 right?

 

In what is a semi-serious question but probably just a bad attempt at humor I have to point out...do you really consider Intel's high-end chips affordable now? Or ever, for that matter? Fifteen hundred bucks is more than I paid for my whole system!

 

I'm guessing Intel and nVidia have something up their sleeve. Intel wouldn't do something this stupid, it could kill nVidia. Think about it, why would AMD want to make support features that allow its competitor to actually compete with their own line of GPUs (ATI). My guess is nVidia has something coming and Intel knows about it, like a dual or quad core GPU, which would render SLI/Crossfire obsolete.

 

With a Q9450 OC'd at 3.7, I don't think you need to worry about CPU performance period, even when nehalem comes out.

 

exactly my point, I cannot think off anyone except a select few people who do things like this, so I cannot seee this being problem for intel.


Also this puts pressure on them to make up for the lack of SLI support, so maybe price cuts? cheaper high end chips? who knows, Intel does not want AMD to be better then them in any way.

 

I wouldn't guess that Intel and Nvidia are working on something together. In fact, the two companies do not have a very good relationship at the moment, and this blame could primarily be placed on Nvidia. Also, it isn't by any means a stupid move for Intel. Obviously, if they want to market this to the highend without SLI, they will need CrossFireX support from AMD. While it may seem kind of dumb that they are going to support their competitor's technology, if you look deeper it's not a bad move in the short term.

If you look at the direction Nvidia is going in with the whole CUDA/GPGPU thing, you can clearly see that their idea is one involving a fast Nvidia GPU accelerating certain calculation intensive tasks and reducing the need for a faster CPU. Faster CPUs are where the biggest profit margins are for Intel, and if Nvidia GPUs are accelerating things besides games and driving demand for fast CPUs down, Intel stands the chance at losing a ton of money. It makes sense for them to try and drive Nvidia's sales down because they do pose a threat to them in the future.

On the other hand, it is entirely possible and likely that ATi will sell more cards in high end systems because of this. Although the upcoming HD4850 and HD4870 don't really stand a chance at competing against the GTX280, the R700 or HD4870X2 most certainly does. The HD4K series seems to be shaping up quite nicely and I don't think it would be much of a shock if the 4870X2 came close to or even beat the GTX280 in terms of performance. Given the GT200's die size, power requirements, heat output, Nvidia can't react to the 4870X2 with their own GX2 model. It does sound odd, but it's not impossible that Intel would actually like this to happen. The key reason being if ATi could pull off better performance for cheaper prices, Nvidia will lose market share and this is what Intel wants: less Nvidia GPUs with CUDA.

In the short term, AMD/ATI making money off of their graphics cards is perfectly fine. Intel is getting ready to release Nehalem which AMD won't have an answer to until next year (Bulldozer) unless K10.5 is able to compete. All Intel really needs to do here is stop CUDA from taking off until they can ready their answer to it (Larrabee).

Disclaimer: This is opinion

 

What makes me worry these days that if you are going to play the newest games then you will have to spend lots of $$ to get the most high end hardware, i thought that the games were ment to be played on mid range and High end PCs not on ULTRA high end. devs must learn from the good games and the good ports that recently came on stage that were able to run perfectly even on older platforms.