So it’s going to be 2020 soon.......

With new GPU’s from Nvidia and AMD coming out relatively soon what do you guys expect for next year? Even Intel might get into the GPU game and speaking of Intel we should see new CPU’s on the mobile side too. When and Where people?
Here is where we speculate or fantasize about upcoming laptop tech for next year.

 

• AMD rolling out something closer to flagship level including ray tracing acceleration.
• AMD getting a little more market share in notebook GPUs
• nVidia scrambling to release something by EOY
• Intel adding a couple more characters to their 11th gen cpu model numbers
• Consoles including more memory, RT acceleration and SSDs being a huge deal and maybe helping out ports. (maybe a stretch to be laptop tech adjacent)
• Intel maybe launching something 7nm
• Intel NOT releasing consumer GPUs worth buying (or at all)

 

The big news might just be the Consoles for 2020, which will take on the lower to mid range PC's - depending on how powerful the AMD setup is for each, and it looks like heat is a factor - this "tower" design Xbox X suggests it needed more volume for clearing heat, but it's way too soon to tell much else. IMHO it doesn't really seem like a space saving design; it looks like a "stretch-box".

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I was hoping that with 7nm the APU (CPU/GPU?) in the Consoles would make it into laptops soon before or after the Consoles releases, along with similar AMD APU's for desktops. But, if it needs that kind of volume for heat dissipation - perhaps a good amount of "mass" too, that's not a good fit for thin and light gaming laptops.

AMD hasn't been pushing for mid / high end solutions for laptops - or makers haven't been pulling them in for creation of new models so far, I really hope that changes in 2020.

 

Hopefully it's like the previous consoles where you can have it sit in various orientations. Judging by how large a controller is I don't think it would actually fit on the same shelf that my Xbox One is currently using. (I can adjust them but I like to leave a lot of room for ventilation) Looks about 3 controllers and a smidgen more high.

I'm hoping their main push in this form factor is making sure it's DEAD QUIET. There's nothing worse than a console that has a loud fan. Nearly all gaming laptops don't focus on that at all (i can't stand it, the reason I decided to go silent laptop + silent eGPU, I'm happier than ever). I'm guessing with the horsepower they are putting in this unit it's going to have a decently high amount of power it has to dissipate. It's pretty clear they are aiming straight for competing with mid to mid-upper range PCs. I can't wait to hear more about specific specs. IMO consoles finally including solid-state storage is the true game changer. Well.. that and new graphics features like RT becoming what the devs can assume is a stable target.

They just have to keep the price just low enough that people will jump on it. If they give out free game pass for a year or two it'll probably seal it.

Should be SUPER interesting come end of 2020.

 

The Xbox Series models may have varied design specifics, but for now the image of that particular model's top makes it look like it can have only one physical orientation.

The open grate covers the top and has large holes for cooling ventilation. The orientation is perfect for promoting cooling through convection - just like the Apple "Trashcan" Pro - and that only had one orientation as well.

The problem was the Apple "Trashcan" Pro had limited physical volume to contain such potentially huge thermal generation, and baked GPU's - a lot of owners ran through replacement GPU's.

Hopefully the Xbox "Stretchbox" is tall and wide enough to have a large enough volume for silent convection cooling of it's contents - with large low noise fans.

A keyboard and mouse sitting next to the new Xbox Tall would have positioned it nicely as the PC it is.

 

Maybe they are targeting "pro" streamers...

 

MS has said you can use it horizontally.

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2019/...rizontal-orientation-tv-space-vertical-design

What’s your current laptop and egpu set up? Like you my one pet peeve are loud gaming laptops and really considered going that route.
Do you game on the laptops monitor or external screen.

 

EDIT: that's what I expected, I didn't understand how they'd think that would fit it most people's living room setups without being able to place it horizontally. Where my TV is mounted is actually shelving we had custom built into an entire wall of our apartment. The TV is mounted on an arm in a section that holds roughly a 50" TV with small bezels. and we have some shelving built in below it that has plenty of room for components.. but even that is a little tall.. hah

2018 LG Gram 17 + Sonnet Breakaway Box 550W + Asus Strix RTX 2070 OC.

I play everything on the internal display at native res (2560x1600). Works great. You would get a little more performance connecting a monitor directly to the eGPU since the TB3 interface robs a little performance. The hit is less noticeable the higher you go in resolution as the scenario becomes more GPU bound. I'm perfectly happy with it though. Nearly everything but the most demanding games or features run near 60FPS at native res at ultra or high settings. Picking a quiet GPU was key, the Gram already has a really quiet fan, even when it's cranking at full. Granted nearly all games don't peg the CPU at 100% so it has some headroom to stay boosted most of the time. I think the trick to this setup working well is that 1600p becomes GPU bound and the TB3 hit isn't as noticeable as it would be comparing it to a desktop PC at 1080p.

One thing I will say is that if you play a lot of competitive FPS's it might not be the best setup as you will want some really high framerates and low latency. I pretty much play exclusively single player action/adventure/rpg games so I don't really care about that. I care more about being immersed in the environment and the story.

 

The Xbox Series X is rumored to have an 8c/16t CPU @ 3.6Ghz and a ~12 Teraflop RDNA GPU.

It's smashing mid-range PCs if those specs are true.

 

That is a wildly optimistic rumor.

 

I mean in articles like this one from The Verge, Microsoft itself is explicitly stating that, in comparison to the Xbone One X, the Series X has 4x the CPU power and 2x the GPU power.

The One X had a 6TF GPU, so....

Sounds like space magic to me but that's what they claim.

 

Which is pretty impressive given a 2080Ti is like.. ~13TFlop?

 

" But don’t worry: according to Xbox head Phil Spencer, Microsoft “designed Xbox Series X to support both vertical and horizontal orientation.”"

Well, I'd take that with a grain of salt, as Phil isn't an engineer he's a sales guy, and he'll tell you what you want to hear just to sell units.

The rest of the article is funny, they clearly don't believe it either.

" Based on the orientation of the Xbox button on the Xbox Series X, it’s clear that Microsoft intends for the console to be stood up vertically, much in the same way that the current Xbox One consoles were designed to lay flat.

Microsoft also hasn’t released a picture of what the Xbox Series X will look like in its horizontal orientation, but through advanced imaging technology (i.e., rotating an image 90 degrees) we’ve been able to piece together a rough idea of what that will look like.


" Ok, so it’s still gonna take up a whole lot of space inside your TV console. But it’s better than no horizontal mode at all."

Sure you can lay it on it's side, hopefully the balance for the DVD/BD unit will work - might want to check which side to tip it over on first by opening the tray to see where the top and bottom are, and also make sure the intake and vented top have a clear shot into the fresh air zone so you don't vent heat into a wall or corner and don't draw heated output from another appliance into the Xbox Series X.

The vertical orientation is likely the best for cooling - the designed way to take advantage of convection cooling, but if you have the right ventilation set up blowing air through the unit it could work on it's side. You'd want to make up for the loss in convection cooling - all that heat is now pooling in the new top of the box - so some extra blow through needs to be pulling that heat out better than when in the vertical position.

 

4x the CPU performance is to be expected, if anything it’s conservative given the leap from Jaguar (trash) to Zen2.

2x the GPU performance is more like an RX 5700XT. Reminder that RDNA has much higher perf/FLOPS than GCN. The 5700XT (9.8 TFLOPS) handily beats the Vega 64 (12.7 TFLOPS). A 12 TFLOPS RDNA GPU would start to encroach upon the 2080 Super, which I just don’t see happening in a console.

Imagine disironically believing that you can use FLOPS as a valid performance metric to compare disparate GPU architectures and brands.

 

I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to comfortably predict how the XSX performance will stack up against an nvidia GPU, but this article says (based on Microsoft's claims) that we can expect 10%+ over an RTX 2070: https://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-series-x-specs/

I have a hard time believing it, but if it's true (and especially if PS5 achieves similar results), nvidia had better make its next-gen GPUs much more powerful this time--a greater leap than Turing was over Pascal for sure. A lot of mid-core, mid-range gamers would happily go for a cheaper, equally-powerful console over a mid-range gaming PC.

Side note--Nintendo always beats to its own drum, but who knows; maybe we'll get a Switch Pro in 2020. Not that it will in any way compete graphically with PC or XSX. But I'd rather have a Switch Pro that can play Zelda at 1080p60fps than an XSX that can supposedly play games at 8k. I'll believe that when I see it--assuming 8k TVs even become a thing during the XSX's lifetime.

 

Linus does a pretty good job covering the bases reviewing the Xbox Series X as the PC it really is... down to it's resemblance to the Corsair One Pro PC.

3:47 - New Xbox Series X Revealed (Main Topic)

The New XBOX is a PC?! - WAN Show Dec 13, 2019
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It's a good litmus, obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison and I never said it was. Everyone already knows that. But it's still significant for gaming in general given the real-world scenario that console hardware has driven the critical mass adoption of gaming features and performance targets. It's just the way it is whether PC centric gamers like it or not. All you have to do is look at the steam hardware survey GPU adoption to see what most game devs are targeting on the PC side of things. More performance and features in consoles will drive developers to target those features.

At the end of the day, none of that is going to make a crap game great anyway. A lot of my favorite games will run on integrated GPUs. I just try to stay in the upper-mid GPU tier as best I can because I've always liked to play and tinker with new features if I can. It's not critically important, but it's fun. I also don't see the need to spend north of $1K on the BEST GPU, given that my situation and favored way to game involves already spending north of what I could cobble together if I wanted to build a proper desktop PC (which I can't or if I did have room for it wouldn't want to, those days are gone).

 

It’s literally not. Pascal != Turing != GCN != RDNA in terms of TF. A 13TF 2080 Ti curbstomps a 13TF Vega 64 LC.

 

Fair enough, but we're talking RDNA 2...which admittedly we don't know much about, but given how the 5700XT performs we can make some very educated guesses.

As well, consoles tend to be better optimized, given the stable target.

 

IGN cobbled together an Xbox Series X mockup, and compare it to the current PS4 Pro and PS4:


Here's How Big the Xbox Series X Is (Our Best Guess)
Dec 13, 2019
IGN
Microsoft's next-generation console has finally been revealed. So how does it stack up to other consoles and fruit, you ask? We were wondering too.

 

They need good games launching along side of the console. IMO console exclusives drive sales, Halo, KillZone, MGS etc.
Only reason I got the original Xbox was to play Halo:CE with my friends.

 

Wow, it's not even 2020 yet and one is already coming true

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/6937...ruggles-compete-against-nvidia-amd/index.html

 

It's been so long.. but yeah, Xbox was originally designed to take over the living room and bring Windows to the family through media center + games, and maybe the new Xbox will bring back that push - turning the Xbox into the PC it always was.

Will MS spin this as PC gaming taking over Console gaming by combining Xbox gaming + Xbox PC gaming + Steam PC gaming?

Extra credit for bringing in the open upgradability of PC by allowing modular GPU / Storage upgrades?

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Dec 20, 2019
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I love gaming hardware - all hardware (PC or Console). Let's talk about what XBOX and PS are doing in 2020, and who will "win." But *gasp* - what if we all win?!
1) 0:09 Intro to Console Armageddon
2) 2:13 Microsoft’s Past Failures
3) 6:07 Microsoft’s Path to Victory
4) 9:30 Sony’s Path to Victory
5) 16:12 Next Gen Specs (Exclusive Leak)
6) 21:45 What about the Price?
7) 23:16 Summary…& Nintendo, Stadia!