Star Wars Battlefront II

Anyone getting this game? I broke down and pre-ordered the deluxe edition yesterday. If you have EA or Origin Access you can download and play it now for 10 hours. I've been watching people play on Twitch. Also, new free content already on the way!

 

Lootboxes, yay!!!

 

lol .. at least they are working on that. https://battlefront-forums.ea.com/discussion/79805/changes-to-progression-crates-star-cards

 

Same crap shuffled differently.

 

i unfortunately have to agree with killkenny1 on this one, i didn't buy mordor: shadow or war and i wont be buying battlefront 2 because of the loot box system, i watched some of the early access streamers over at twitch yesterday and a number of them were already talking about how op some of the box cards are.
to start off with i was super excited that a company is finally releasing new maps/classes etc for free, but then they showed the loot box system and it turned me away.

i don't have any issue with loot boxes, i get it, companies want more money.....sure go for it, but why not do it like path of exile or even overwatch, i have no doubt people would spend a tonne of money on loot boxes for cosmetic loot.....what does this do, it keeps the game a level playing field, it keeps the game fresh and it even shows the consumer a small amount of respect....oh you just dropped $90 on our game, well good news is to compete with the rest you dont need to drop another $90.

 

I am probably going to buy it and it upsets me that I am because I have talked trash about this game for the past year or 2 or whatever its been since the "first" battlefront game. I thought it would be trash again, but playing the beta and looking at changes, it looks like they really tried to bring it back to the older original SWBF2 style and gameplay. Then again I look back and I enjoyed BF1 when it was in beta too and by the time the game came out I didn't put more than 10 hours into it.

I saw people streaming it yesterday so I bought Origin Access for a month. I figured 5 bucks to have access to any EA game that might be worth playing for a month, plus trials of other games was worth it as much as I hate EA. Going to enjoy this 10 "free" hours of the game and see how much I enjoy it and if it actually holds my interest after the first 10 hours but I have a bad feeling I will end up buying it.

 

That is appropriate for Star Wars.

 

this is the problem isn't it, from my side i really want to play the title, it looks fun as anything, but im going to be stubborn and refrain, the greed of EA and the "p2w" model of loot creates just don't do it for me, i think we as the consumer need to start to say "no" to the direction games are taking in order to "cash" in at our expense.

 

I played the hell out of this in 2005.

Oh wait..

Charles

 

You can still play it though.
As far as I know the servers are up and running again!

 

Yes, yes they are.

 

My preload is ready. 55gb.

 

whats with all the hate?

BF1 was just plain awesome....I think you guys need to lower your standards

 

lmao bf1 wasn't p2w either........i see a slight difference between the two

 

You clearly must not have played the original Battlefront series. Most fans of the game do not consider it "awesome" to charge more for a game that is technically a sequal to 2 games before it, and gimp on the content and features in it. No story? 8 maps? No space battles until they added DLC for it? Tons of DLC? No galactic conquest? The game was trash there is absolutely no denying it or changing that fact.

I haven't had much time to play this one but I got a game in this morning for work. One of my issues with these newer games is how over the top they are trying to get with graphics and additional effects and stuff. I understand that the majority of "gamers" these days only care about graphics rather than actual gameplay, but things are so over the top. I was playing a foresty type level and was on the clone trooper side going against battle droids. I could not see anyone worth a damn, between all of the extra grass and bushes and foliage on the map, between the obnoxiously over the top sun rays and bloom effects, plus throw in the fact that the droid models are fairly small and thin....it was almost impossible to play the game and see anyone. I will have to play with the settings quite a bit and in my experience with EA/Battlefield games, there is only so much you can do from the in game options to turn off or turn down a lot of this stuff. Otherwise the game is fun and I will probably enjoy it but one of my biggest gripes with this game, and recent Battlefield games is just how over the top they go on the post processing stuff and how impossible it is to really see anything.

 

i apologise i thought you where talking about battlefield 1 (bf1) sorry, i didn't play battlefront 1, and if you read my posts you will see i clearly stated the game looks awesome, i want to play it, but i refuse to play/buy a $90 + p2w game.

 

My post was in reference to the person I quoted saying the game was "plain awesome" and other people needed to "lower their standards" for not liking a game or being impressed by a step back compared to a 10 year old previous version of it.

I'm not saying the game isn't p2w and originally I wanted nothing to do with the game, still don't since it's an EA game but it seems to have made significant improvements compared to the previous game and to bring it more in line with the previous games in the series however I will not buy it until I finish my 10 hour trial and have a better idea of whether or not I want to or not. Where is the $90 coming from? It's $60 like all other PC games. I get that buying loot crates will get you everything you need or want significantly faster than playing the game, but you also buy the crates with in game currency that you earn from playing the game....no one is forcing you to spend extra money on loot crates?

I think there is a fine line between "pay 2 have an advantage" and "pay 2 win" and this game seems more like it is the first option unless there is something huge I am or have been missing that can only be purchased with money.

 

yeah again i apologise i mixed the two posts up a little,
regarding $90 that how much its costs for me here in Australia for the base version of the game


i see you point regarding p2w and p2a, but if we are realistic people that spend $$ on loot boxes will have a unfair advantage over a f2p person, if someone right out of the gate has more powerful weapons/cards etc the f2p player will no be on an equal playing field, in my opinion if someone has an unfair advantage over another player its p2w, the fact that a f2p player would have to spend hours+ more a day to earn the resources needed to "keep up" with a "paying" customer leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, the game is no longer even at that point, its p2w because they have the advantage in a multiplayer game.
here is one of many videos regarding the "advantage" you might get...it seems clear that a f2p person will not be able to keep up with a p2a/p2w player.

 

Or maybe you should raise yours?

 

i wasnt dissing anyone lol

BF1 is fun.

if i raise my standards i will have more games to be disapointed by.

 

I didnt try BF1 until it was on sale, by that time no one was playing it. Within a year of its release. I was fortunate enough to get a refund. I will follow the same operating procedure for this one. DLC everything isnt for me. Real money loot crates, again are not for me. *Note I am a huge star wars fan, I actually build my own lightsabers, if 2 echoes the same lack of content as 1 that money would be better spent on the saber hobby.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this game

 

That is essentially p2w. If two equally skilled players/teams don't have the same footing, and one has a definite advantage due to spending more money, they are most likely going to win. Not 100% of the time because skill and training (playtime) are usually not bang on equal, but most of the time that will be true.

 

I'm torn on this game too. I hear it actually has great gameplay. But the whole loot crate system is what worries me. It looks like it takes a LOT of time (like hundreds of hours) of gameplay to rank up to what one person could do dropping $90 on lootcrates.

 

It doesn't sound like it will take nearly that long or even have to spend money. http://www.pcgamer.com/how-star-wars-battlefront-2s-loot-boxes-and-progression-work/

I was watching a streamer last night playing through the 10 hour Origin access. He has spent no money. He has all 4 weapons for his Assault, Officer and Specialist. I was also reading if you play the arcade and campaign, you can level up pretty quick, before you even play multiplayer, and gain a lot of cards, crafting etc. I think that's what I'll start with Wednesday with the deluxe version.

 

I don't know, that one video showed where they bought the $99 crate ($89 for pre-orders) and each of the upgrades would take 2-3 hours gameplay, that is if you're decent and play regularly, and to hit all the same upgrades could take as much as 100 hours or more.

Granted, if you join the game in a few months, as a noob, even all those that didn't buy loot crates will be at an advantage over you.

 

ok I see what you guys are saying..

Why the heck are companies getting so greedy these days

don't laugh but they should have laws enforcing videogame logistics

 

There was another streamer I watched on Twitch, Shroud. He spent $180 on crates until he finally was able to get Darth Vader. There's also a rumor that costs for things are high now because EA/Dice doesn't want Access people getting so far ahead of people that don't have the game yet and prices will drop on release. I think EA will have to change something if they want to sell more copies of the game. There is just too much pushback, and confusion, on the current system. I still plan to play and have fun though.

 

thats a excellent attitude

htwingnut....my dream laptop is the UX430UN and the gygabyte aero 15 Also I guess..

Where the heck did You buy the UX430UN

 

I don't play hard core like I used to, so I also play solely to have fun. But when you constantly die because of some high level players constantly owning your ass, it gets frustrating. I have similar feelings towards PUBG.

Will Battlefront 2 have match making with similar skill levels or does it just throw you in the mix?

 

If they do have it, apparently it's not working well. I've seen people in the EA forums complaining about it. Hopefully something will be done for the official launch. I think that would help a lot.

 

And this is why we can't have nice things!
I'm sorry, but I think that's a wrong stance. Why should I and everyone else lower the standards when these AAA titles already ask for so much money and then have a nerve to also include crap like microtransactions and lootboxes outside of a $40/50 season pass? And that's taken into the account most of these aren't even the best quality.
I don't know how old are you, but I still remember not too distant times when stuff like weapon skins or costumes came together with a base game. Now you get a bunch of lame ones and for the rest you have to shell out cash. Next thing you know they start selling you bullets...
Bottom like, you want to include microtransactions/lootboxes into the game, make it free to play. Otherwise it's not acceptable!

 

I don't like the current match making system.
It's great if you are either bottom tier (most of the players are) are or the top tier.
Not so much if you are in the middle, which usually put me or my party to an empty server on the next change.

Sadly, I find the current lootbox system acceptable.
It's a great filter and an odd way to balance between good players with lots of time vs those who got neither but have cash.
I just wish they got something more obvious that contents were purchased vs gained via game play.

Plus, I really like asymmetric game play and enjoy dealing with it.

 

i also watched shroud steam on twitch when he unlocked darth vader..........
the most expensive hero classes will cost 60,000 credits to unlock, on average you earn around 200-400 credits per match so even if you do earn 400 credits per match that's 150 games at say 15 mins a match to unlock that hero.......or you buy creates and can unlock him, before playing a single match......seems fair and even and that's not even talking about the card system that can make a class op.

 

Depends on how asymmetric it is. A lot of times it's like pitting a high school football team versus a pro football team. There's no challenge or no way to really beat the higher end players. I don't see the joy in banging your head against the wall constantly. Now if you learn some skill and/or ways to kill that player with a little more hard work and ingenuity, I'm OK with that. But someone with a defense 2-3 times more than yours, plus your weapon is 20% the power of theirs doesn't make for a good matchup.

This reminds me of a Pokemon game I was playing with my son. He helped me level up my Pokemon decently and said "ok, good now you can challenge me". Yeah well, my best attack did 10% damage to him, plus he had regen ability. His attack did 60-80% damage to me and had no regen or very slight regen that took up a turn. Bottom line there simply was no way to beat him. Of course he's my son, so I call him a little runt and troll and laugh. But in actual online games, there is no fun in that, when you simply cannot defeat someone.

 

kill;kenny1 im 32

yes im from the mario original days

 

Most downvoted comment on Reddit from EA: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBa...ously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/

OP: " Seriously? I paid 80$ to have Vader locked? (self.StarWarsBattlefront)"

EA Reply:
" The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.

As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the Open Beta and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before launch. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player credit earn rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay.

We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Reddit, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.

Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can."

Negative 270k downvotes and counting.

 

Wow! I wonder if that will give them a clue?

 

Nope. Not unless sales are way down and they lose money. People will still buy the game in droves, so bottom line, talk is cheap. Like with the new Ghostbusters movie. Most downvoted YouTube video ever, but the movie still made positive sales, so despite popular opinion, it was still a success.

 

I played the beta and enjoyed it. It's a really beautiful game, graphically speaking. However, I don't plan to buy it at this time.

 

The type asymmetric I like is different dis/advantage per type per team. I enjoy playing the most while on the disadvantage.

As for the down vote thing going on, I doubt if it even matter. Even CoD got over a million and still came out fine

The group I blame the most is the gamers who grew up during where $60 games are worth $60 where nothing is behind a lock. Where being 14 can easily outclass a 30
They grew up, have cash but no time.
Guess what large game companies will cater to.
Those who grew up gaming and continue to game but refuse to bow down.

I think it be more effective to go after Disney. They are most like to force push it over the line than EA.
So boycott the movie?

 

All the blow back on the crate system has helped some.

A Message from John Wasilczyk, Executive Producer at DICE

 

Damage control lol.
Should post it on Reddit again, see how it goes

 

I wonder if they had planned to do it anyway. I had read rumors of that long ago.

 

It's a possibility.
"Oh look, we are good guys, we are listening to your feedback!"
No doubt they had to test it - gamer boiling point. How much they are allowed to charge until gamers start to complain.

 

that is actually a fairly big change, it takes the grind for one hero from 40 odd hours to 20 but it is still a big grind for the casual player and i still see a advantage for people that buy creates, it hasn't changed my mind on not playing this game.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if reduce some of the credit rewards with it.

It almost like they totally expected this. Let's put a large # and wait for the complaints.
End of the day, they pat themselves in the back for "reducing" it.

 

To unlock everything in the game would take 4520 hours of gameplay or about $2100 in loot crates. Pure grinding.

 

I could be considered part of this group, as I have been gaming for just over 30 years. I have my own family and a severe lack of free time, but I refuse to buy hundreds of dollars of pixels after purchasing a game. I would rather them charge a little more for the game, reduce the grind a bit (which they did), unlock everything, and remove star cards and loot boxes all together.