The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    Supreme Commander Bad Performance

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Compstomper, Feb 23, 2007.

  1. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Is there anyway to get more than about 1-5fps on skirmish on my laptop?
     
  2. odin243

    odin243 Notebook Prophet

    Reputations:
    862
    Messages:
    6,223
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Turn everything down. Turn resolution down to lowest possible, AA and AF off, all details low. Turn the Max Frames to Render Ahead in the Nvidia Control Panel to zero. Also, make sure you have the latest LaptopVideo2Go drivers.
     
  3. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Just kinda sad when my desktop plays it at 1680x very smoothly and it has vista giving performance decrease and my laptop struggles for 5fps...
     
  4. TwilightVampire

    TwilightVampire Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    362
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Somethings wrong with that picture there. Is your laptop in some kind of battery saving mode?
     
  5. zadillo

    zadillo Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    421
    Messages:
    3,770
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Yeah, seriously, a laptop with 2x 7900GS's in SLI mode? Something's got to be wrong if it can't perform well on that.
     
  6. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I was in the first 2 minutes of a skirmish with 6ai so there were almost no units.
    In the demo versus that one AI there were about 300 of my units attacking probably about 200 of theres and there was NO lagg at all. I'll try the game again and see if it is still that laggy because I found my computer unplugged about 30min later and I found when I tried the game on my desktop that turning on the Strategic Map that my frame rate dropped in half and I had the Strategic Map on the entire time on my laptop. I'm testing the game again.
     
  7. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I have not tried any MASSIVE battles on my laptop yet but I found turning off the strategic map mad a MASSIVE difference and my performance was about equal to my desktop which I'm guessing is because of being cpu bound. Think it would help disabling SLI to reduce cpu overhead since this game is not very GPU demanding?
     
  8. zadillo

    zadillo Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    421
    Messages:
    3,770
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Couldn't hurt to try disabling SLI and see how it does. Frankly even with a single 7900GS it should be able to perform well.
     
  9. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I have been playing a match on my desktop for the last 2 hours and it CRASHED!!! The hard AI are so cheesy anyways it's pathetic. All they did was build a small army in there base and send one unit at me at a time for 2 HOURS UNTIL IS CRASHED!!! I'll go try it on my laptop again with SLI disbabled and see how it does.

    PS: If the AI is always this cheesy than I just wasted $50 on a game that could have been put towards getting myself a 8950GTX for my desktop!!!
     
  10. zadillo

    zadillo Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    421
    Messages:
    3,770
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    106
    One thing i've heard from SupCom players so far is that the single-player and AI is not the strong point of this game; where it shines is the multiplayer. But if you did not buy it for multiplayer, then yes, you might not get full enjoyment out of it.
     
  11. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I will switch to multi-player soon once my friends get the game but I like playing skirmish if I just bored or don't have net for some reason like when I'm on a vacation. I just really hope they make these AI a lot harder in a patch soon but I guess I can't be to picky since the game just came out today.... The demo on EASY for crying out loud was 10x harder than versus 7 of these hard AI
     
  12. Mark

    Mark Desktop Debugger

    Reputations:
    1,288
    Messages:
    4,172
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    105
    Did you ever get that running on your lappy well? It really should be running great with that set up.
     
  13. andrew.brandon

    andrew.brandon Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    61
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    not exactly, I think his CPU is a single core. if so a lot of units on a map will make his computer come to a crawl. I would think you should be able to drop in a dual core turion for cheep though. do you have that retail game? if so try setting the unit cap to something like 250.
     
  14. TwilightVampire

    TwilightVampire Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    362
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Although the game can take advantage of Dual Core processors, having only a single core will not affect performance that badly.

    Its also not possible to drop a dual core processor in that model. The dual core Turions and single core ones dont have the same socket.
     
  15. Viper114

    Viper114 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    It's a common fact around the GPG forums that Supreme Commander is inconsistent. Monstrous PCs that should have no troubles have troubles, while those with computers that just meet or do not meet the recommended requirements have no troubles at all. No one is completely certain why this is, not even GPG themselves. All they say they can do is to update all your drivers and hope for the best for now. We'll have to wait for a patch that improves performance, which might take a while.
     
  16. Abyss

    Abyss Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    24
    Messages:
    544
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I've played it on a 7900GS 2 GB ram, t7200 CPU and it ran fine (full settings even. The map movement was a little laggy, but the unit animation and everything was smooth. Even with easily a hundred units on screen at once.
     
  17. Mark

    Mark Desktop Debugger

    Reputations:
    1,288
    Messages:
    4,172
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    105
    So do they just have a bad engine right now or something that is leading to bad consistancy? How come some many threads are popping up lately about SC performance? I know the demo ran fine on my desktop (which it should), but I doubt it would run for a moment on my laptop. Seems like there are some issues to work out with it I suppose.
     
  18. sunjhoon

    sunjhoon Notebook Evangelist NBR Reviewer

    Reputations:
    52
    Messages:
    338
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I agree with you check this here

    this was taken from a website that did a review of the game...pretty interesting check the article out :)
     
  19. Viper114

    Viper114 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    202
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    A LOT of threads are popping up on the GPG forums about how bad performance is. I don't have terrible performance on my laptop, myself, but it could be better.
     
  20. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    The thing that bothers me is that the demo ran fine on my laptop and there were 100's of units going at it at once but I can't play the retail game with 20 units without lagging so bad it's unplayable. Than you try the same thing on my desktop and it runs fine. I think the retail game is not managing single cores very well but the demo is...
     
  21. Poseign

    Poseign Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    110
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    Are u running vista on your laptop? If so:

    a friend of mine had the EXACT same problem as you with his rig, alhough his was a desktop. He was running windows Vista Ultimate, dual 7900 cards, with 2 gigs of ram and the demo ran great and the game ran like crap.

    His solution was turning off Aero Glass in the Vista Display properties. Vista's aero glass uses a lot of system memory to use. after turning it off, he got a very noticable frame rate increase. Maybe that is your problem.

    This fix came straight from Microsoft actaully, it should help with gaming performance on Vista for any game, although the crappy nvidia Go 7 drivers are still suckin it up.

    Anyways, try that, let us know how it goes.
     
  22. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    My laptop is running xp and my desktop is running vista.
     
  23. fadi299

    fadi299 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    77
    Messages:
    212
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    is supreme commander more demanding than company of heroes? cause COH runs great on max settings with 900*1440 resolution on my inspiron 9400.
     
  24. Bhatman

    Bhatman Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    19
    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    COH for me runs perfectly at 1280x800 with medium high settings. I can say Supreme Commander is more intensive than other games due to it high amount of population as well as detail in the game. Another problem is in LAN games, many times the host will be delayed by so much for example, he might be playing one game while allied and opponents will be playing a totally different scenario (still on same map here)
     
  25. Circa69

    Circa69 Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    1,214
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I have only had SC for about a week. 4 games played, all skirmish, 3 to 6 AI players, near full settings and no problems at all.
     
  26. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    COH runs perfectly with v-sync on with my laptop but this SC game runs like a piece of junk with about 10-20units. I think the demo was optimized more for single cores or something and they retail games was 90% optimized for dual cores leaving my fairly powerful turion out of luck.

    If you compare my turion with my pentium D in my desktop and you rated them this is how it comes out in a fully optmized dual core program.

    Pentium D = 2
    Turion = 1.5
     
  27. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I decided to try a different map and than tested it again and my laptop and desktop both got horrible performance when it hit about 100-200 units but if I turned down the game speed to -5 everything became silky smooth.
     
  28. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I fixed the problem of my bad performance by selecting the Supreme Commander profile in the nvidia control panel. I now get NO lagg with many 100's of units and many AI at the same time with MAX graphics.

    THE GAME IS NOW FUN!!!!
     
  29. Gator

    Gator Go Gators!

    Reputations:
    890
    Messages:
    1,889
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Lol that's terrible, you need to specifically select a game profile for your SLI'd 7900GS powerhouse before you game?

    Man nVidia needs to catch up with their drivers.
     
  30. TwilightVampire

    TwilightVampire Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    362
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    It almost seems weird to have people bashing Nvidia's drivers. People have been putting ATI's down to no end over the years.
     
  31. Gator

    Gator Go Gators!

    Reputations:
    890
    Messages:
    1,889
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Hey, I calls em as I sees em ;)
     
  32. Compstomper

    Compstomper Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    70
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    This is pathetic that I can play full games with no lagg now just because of a driver profile.
     
  33. andrew.brandon

    andrew.brandon Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    61
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    :eek: 3Gb of ram used while running Vista!!!!
     
  34. TwilightVampire

    TwilightVampire Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    362
    Messages:
    1,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    55
    Yes, vista sucks :cool:
     
  35. andrew.brandon

    andrew.brandon Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    61
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    has anyone here with bad performance ran a CPU or memory usage monitor program to see if it is one of the 2 bottlenecking?
     
  36. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

    Reputations:
    4,843
    Messages:
    15,707
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    456
    if you are running under XP, make sure that you have the Multi-Core XP hotfix installed and enabled.

    Supreme Commander says that it will support even quad-cores, but I think the OS needs to enable that feature, Vista seems to support multi-cores fine with native/default settings, while XP will need the hotfix.
     
  37. andrew.brandon

    andrew.brandon Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    61
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30