The Mobile ATI 5850 is here.

well boy and girls (mostly boys), the mobile version of the hard to get ATI 5800s is finally coming to the laptop world. it is most likely going to be launched at CES in Jan. of 2010 in Las Vegas. i just got word that i am going again this year too. hope to see anyone there from NBR like last year. i think it will be the same like the desktop version but underclocked like the 4800s. i will try to get some more info and maybe get some ATI engineer drunk like last year and dump him full of questions.

looky looky...

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16684/1/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16663/1/

 

Time for a road trip!

 

I imagine it'll be downclocked to probably 600 MHz or so. Hopefully it'll still retain the 1440 SPs and 32 TMUs just like the desktop version.

 

I'm crossing my fingers they'd release Madison at roughly the same time too.

 

What is Madison? In terms of their product line?

edit:

it was in the article

Silly writer...

a. Alienware is American.

b. Taiwanese manufacturers supply Alienware.

 

It's far from "here" but I guess it's getting closer

 

CES is only 2 months away from today.

and most likely it will be down clocked to come with laptop power envelope. i just hope laptop makers don't take forever to install a ATI card into gaming laptops this time around like with the 3000s and 4000s serious since Nvidia doesn't have the 300m out yet. i think Nvidia will also announce theirs at CES too.

 

Isn't it in one month....

 

CES is in early Jan. so start planning now.

 

I thought it was already confirmed that the HD5xxx series were launching in January? The question was when it'd be available to consumers.

 

When will someone actually be able to purchase a laptop with a 5800 series? If you look at the desktop 5000 cards, they're impossible to buy right now.

 

Well that acer is definatley on steroids

 

Will really depend on whats going on with TSMC. If they start to work the bugs out and ramp production up again, we'll see cards sooner, if issues continue and yields remain at 40% we'll either have to wait longer, or they'll be in very short supply (at fairly high prices)

 

I don't think Nvidia is gonna announce any fermi based notebook chip next year. What they will do is announce more rebadges and die shrink with the high end 300 being based on the GTX 2xx series not Fermi.

 

They have not shrunk the GTX 2xx series to the mid range desktops yet, what makes you think they will do that for notebooks any time soon?

 

Nvidia failed to shrink the GTX 260 and higher GPU architecture but they have 40nm GPUs in desktops and notebooks now that are based on nerfed...er I mean refined G200 architecture.

That's what Nvidia will likely rebadge as 300 series cards. They've already started with the desktop GT 310.

 

Fudzilla is usually full of fud. Don't believe everything you read.

 

Fuad has had his past issues with Truth but his info has been relatively reliable from my experience reading his site.


I don't believe this Acer will be packing the 5850 but it's not Fudzilla that's at fault for the bad info it's the German site everyone is using as their source that's causing confusion.

 

8-cell battery? Ok, I understand this is a DTR and barely considered mobile for all intents and purposes, it's a desktop with a screen. But why only an 8-cell battery? Put a 12-cell in that sucker for crying out loud and at least be able to watch a movie on it.

Although if I were a college student and/or did a lot of LAN gaming, this would be a good choice. Get you through the next few years virtually untouched.

 

I don't know what you mean when you say it is one German site causing confusion. The 8942G with 5850 is already available for pre-order on a bunch of independent German and European retailers with full specs and firm prices.

All those separate stores don't pull their specs and prices from a blog site D ), so its safe to say the GPU spec (right or wrong) is coming from Acer themselves.

 

i really think that monster Acer laptop wont come out until Feb. at min. and i think Nvidia is still working on the high end 300m (GTX260 desktop version) to get it programed for DX11 graphics. if ATI already has a DX11 chip out and Nvidia only a DX10.1 most consumers would want the newer and flasher ones better.

i guess Nvidia was caught in a really bad spot with windows 7 with DX11 coming out and other problems with fabrication of the 40nm fab. the other problem is with ATI being much smaller the Nvidia but able to come out with really good products.

I love competition....

 

Some (early) benchmarks and conclusions. Without proper drivers, apparently.

http://twisted-reviews.com/short-review-ati-mobility-radeon-hd5850-1-gb-ddr3-first-benchmarks/

(Is this allowed, by the way?)

 

There are no problems with posting such results. I would however make a big note on any post with such information to state that something is wrong with that machine since it doesn't perform any better than a mobility 4670.

 

It's allowed, but there are two caveats here: first, the card is using GDDR3 on a 128-bit bus. As a result, it is not entirely surprising that some aspects of performance will be similar to the 4670 and other 128-bit cards of the past. Unlike 256-bit cards, the mobile 5850 needs GDDR5. It's not optional -- without it, the card becomes memory bandwidth starved to the point where it probably goes from close to the top of high-end cards into the realm of mid-range ones.

Second, nobody ever benchmarks with Microsoft's default drivers -- their purpose is to allow you to see the screen so that you can configure the operating system, not to run games or benchmarks. That said, ATI/AMDs driver support is awful: it's practically non-existent on laptops and they've recently even managed to screw up even on desktops (and not for games, but for Windows in general). So while these driver results are not to be taken seriously, you should definitely think about driver support before choosing between Nvidia and ATI -- it's the difference between installing a WHQL-signed driver and waiting for modded ones and hoping for the best.

 

This GDDR3 memory on 128-bit bus is ridiculous.

 

Nvidias drivers are a pile of ***** recently as well mate, drivers are NOT a reason to go for one company over the other. You are aware the reason they dont provide mobility drivers is because of contracts with laptop providers, and is something they're trying to rollout this year?

 

It's an outdated synthetic benchmark but I'm not at all surprised at how pitiful the Mob. HD5850 will be.

ATI 's line is that the Mob. 5000 series offers you more power per watt...sad truth though is that doesn't really mean the new cards have to produce more FPS than the last-gen models.

 

It's Acer's fault that this 5850 performs so poorly. AMD is letting OEMs to choose whether to use GDDR3 or GDDR5 memory, and it was Acer's choice to use the cheaper option.

 

The notebook manufacturers were to blame when when they didn't use GDDR5 to differentiate the Mob. HD4850 and HD4870 the way ATI's reference cards originally did....but this situation is ATI's fault for eliminating the enthusiast line and not releasing the highest spec'ed GPU the mobile market can handle.

Even with GDDR5 the Mob. HD5850 will produce a negligible boost in performance over the Mob. HD4850. If anything the Mob. HD5850 will only get better overclocks.

 

will there be any 15-16 inch laptops with 5850?

 

MSI Gx640.

 

The only question is that whether they'll use GDDR3 or GDDR5 - and we all know how important this is

 

Well, there are some Australian shops which list the GX640 on their sites. Most mention DDR3, though some also mention DDR5.

There's one site which even states they'll have the GX640 in stock by 2 February (Australians use dd/mm/yy right?). Should be unlikely though; I believe notebookcheck mentioned a release date somewhere before or around CeBIT.

 

MSI went GDDR3 on their GTS 250M equipped machine, so I'd expect the same here.

 

Maybe they're learning on their own mistakes

 

Optimism fails again. The MSI GX640 is using GDDR3 according to XoticPC's listing.

http://www.xoticpc.com/msi-gx640098us-p-2766.html?wconfigure=yes

 

If it comes with a lower resolution it'll be brilliantly fast, but it'll dive bomb a bit at higher res and AA, not sure why so many are opting to save the small amount of cash given most of the better 58xxm features are designed for GDDR5 (bus width, power consumption via power play and incredibly low clocks, runs cooler etc).

 

Jesus Christ, that's ridiculous Give OEMs option to use cheaper memory config, and watch them cripple a fairly capable card to mid-end level. MSI did the same thing with GT640s GTS 250M - I mean what were they thinking? GDDR5 would cost a bunch of $'s more and give a noticeable performance (and sales) boost, but noooo - why bother?

 

Hopefully if it hurts sales, next time AMD release a card they'll just say it can only use GDDR5, regardless of if it can or not.
Im hoping Clevo if they use them, and AW wont be as stupid, seeing as they aim for the high-end market.

 

128-bit GDDR3? Fail.

 

It probably won't hurt sales since the nerfed HD Mob. HD5870 is still better than the previous generation GX623's Mob. HD4670. The higher model number on the GPU should actually help sales which is of course what MSI was aiming for.

Had the Mobile 5000s been based off the same GPU as the desktop 5000s the GX640 would have likely came equipped with a Mob. HD5730 or HD5750 instead.


As for Clevo & AW they'll likely have options for the Mob. HD5870 which does specify GDDR5 only in ATI's specs....and MSI did follow those requirements for the 5870 in the GX740.

 

Boom!
http://translate.google.com/transla...i-hd5850/3/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com

So it is GDDR5 after all

 

Nice find!

 

Some of them are and some of them aren't. Since xotic pc's website still lists it as GDDR3, it looks like you have to be careful about which variety you buy (even if both are MSI GX640).

 

OUchhhh 93 deg on the GPU core.

 

Yeah that's too bad. I'm not sure I'll be recommending this machine. All of these companies putting out ~$1k gaming machine seem to skimp on the cooling solution, and it shows.