The best Netbook for gaming.

Screw this, I will get an Asus N10 then.

1)It's cheaper than a powerful 13'' with dedicated graphics, blu-ray and so on, like the Vaio Z(3,600 Dollars)
2)Too much uncertainty going around. Will Ion come? Will it be worth it? etc.



Right now it would be that or the Vostro. The Vostro being bigger, heavier with less battery life, but same graphics card.. It does not seem to be worth it for me.


What I am looking for, is not something even Intel acknowledges to exist.


Vicious - Do you know if it's easy to upgrade N10's Hard Drive and Ram? I heard N10 can only take up 2 GB Ram at maximum, but if I want to pimp out my N10 as much as possible, can I myself, put in a lighting fast high quality 2'5 500 GB Hard Drive 7200 RPM, and the two best 2 GB Ram sockets I can find, without disasembling it completely?

2)To OC the Atom from 1.6 to 2.1, is it something you can do in Bios or do you have to Download special software? Is there any danger to it? People say unstable, but you can't ruin the system?

3)Would OCing or upgrading HDD or Ram break warranty?

4)Do you think that CS 1.6, Battlefield Heroes, WoW, and those type of popular mainstream games, will be able to be played at highest settings?



5) A new N10 model is coming up. Nvidia 105? Say what? http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=370508

 

While the N10 CAN play some games it just barely does, the Atom is a huge handicap and the graphics card is not too much better than IGP.

If you want to gave your gonna have to step up to 12 or 13" minimum.

The N10 is if you want a netbook and you get the urge to play some game on low settings while killing time, if you even though of gaming on it ahead of time its probably the wrong machine for you.

Upgrading the HDD & RAM is cake though.

The N10 is a great multimedia machine and so are the EEE's I think the cool thing about the n10 is the HDMI so you can hook it up to a HDTV to watch movies.

2.) Program (setfsb or eeectl) most can do 1.8 but less can get over 2.0 I wouldnt count on 2.1 happening. It shouldnt hurt your cpu, overclocking only really hurts a cpu if it gets too hot or you overvolt it, using software to OC doesnt do ether.

3.) Nope

4.) On a N10?? NO CS 1.6 runs on low/medium, wow I hear runs on low but needs 2gb of ram to run. Not sure about the others.

 

That's the thing with the N10. It seems like people are getting very varied results from different people. There are videos of people playing Crysis Warhead and COD4 somewhat playable on low settings on youtube, and then there are people who say that most things struggle.

Tiger Direct Blog:
Playing Dead Space: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmSY370yVOg


Others;
COD4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoF2ppr4IEA


HL2 looks fluid in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txtrb8FYlBI


Maybe I could use it for some lighter games like I have on Steam like Audiosurf, Braid, World of Goo, and others like Quake Live and Battlefield Heroes?

 

If you're talking about looking at notebooks like the Macbook, XPS 13, and Vostro 1320 then you are not going to be satisfied with any Atom powered netbook whether it's the the N10 or an Ion.

From what you've been saying I can tell you the N10 is not what you're looking for.

Probably a good option for you is the HP Pavilion dv3t. $850 with a 512mb Nvidia GT 105 and they're offering free upgrades to 320Gb HDDs and 3Gb of Ram.

 

Maybe you should just get an Iphone, it's about as powerful and might be small/light enough to fit your ridiculous limitations

 

Interesting.

I have been told that there is a big difference in quality of HP notebooks!? I think someone told me that the lower end models, which usually depended on vents in the bottom, had serious overheating issues, but that the higher end models where of great quality.

This model looks quite slick(if a little fat). 8 Gigs, 320 GB, Blu-Ray...

The GPU... 512MB NVIDIA GeForce G 105M , how good is that?

 

Hehe. I have an Ipod Touch actually, pretty cool. But gaming with the touch screens are not for me.

 

GT 105M is the new improved 9300M and performs between the 9400M and the 9500M.

I can't say about build quality because I haven't seen a review yet but there's a coupon to save $400 if you spec it over $1199. So you can actually upgrade to a P8700 2.53Ghz, 4Gbs of RAM and the Blu-Ray and come out to $865 total.

http://www.notebookreview.com/hp_coupon.asp

I wouldn't spend the money on 8Gbs of RAM for any of the machines you've been talking about. It's an expensive upgrade and way overkill on these machines.

Personally I'd go P8600, GT105M, 3Gbs RAM, 320Gb HDD, standard display, LS Blu-Ray, Wireless-N with Bluetooth, and the 9-Cell battery for $829.

 

I don't want to make pub. but this is GREAT for netbooks http://www.streammygame.com/
just imagine a netbook running crisys. I've try it. it's really great. downside you need a very good internet connection.

 

I can tell you first hand that the N10J manages most games very well, especially when overclocked to 2.0 or 2.1GHz.

I've played Battlefield 2, C&C 3, Fallout 3, and Mass Effect. In most cases you can play with decent looking medium settings at native 1024x600 or 800x600 resolution.

With the latest nVidia drivers in XP (185.81 beta) you can now run at 1024x768 squished to the 1024x600 screen. This makes games like Sins of a Solar Empire playable. Yay!

 

Do you know how well COD 4 runs?

 

I keep meaning to install and trial CoD 4. I will do that, and post a YouTube as there seems to be lots of inquiries about that game in particular.

 

Stop confusing luffy. The N10J is a good netbook for gaming but it's not a replacement for a notebook...if it were htwingnut probably wouldn't need to keep most of those other notebooks.

Let's put it like this....if a Vostro 1320, XPS 13, dv3t and an N10J are sitting next to each other no one would choose to play games on the N10J. You pick the N10J to play games when the other three 13" notebooks are packed away in a suitcase, or they're at home while you're sitting in your car in a parking lot waiting for your girlfriend to get off work.

Luffy is talking about "most powerful", Blu-ray, 8Gb of RAM, dedicated GPUs, upgrading HDDs, replacing a 15" notebook that's too heavy and too short on battery life, and is willing to go to 13".

The N10J is a nice machine but it's not what Luffy wants.

 

+1 on this.

 

Asus nj10 is good.

 

How do you know what luffy wants? His original post was stating games that are playable on the N10J.

The N10J is no replacement for a notebook if you need dual core CPU power. But for everything else it is fine. Regardless of the notebooks in my inventory, they all have their places, some work related, some for school, some for family, some for fun, but primarily for my new website I'm starting that has to do with notebook PC's.

TBH I use my N10J more than any other notebook because it is really, well, portable, and powerful enough for 90% of what I need. Granted it won't have much future shelf life for games, but stuff released at this point in time and earlier have a good chance of being playable.

Otherwise for a machine reasonably priced, portable, and powerful, you can get a 13" Asus F6Ve. There's the LG P310 but that's impossible to find in North America, and not very accessible in Europe.

 

His original post was asking if the Macbook was the most powerful notebook under 13" as far as gaming goes.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4806167&postcount=227

Then for whatever reason that thread got merged with this thread.


You can tell what he wants by the features he's consistently mentioning and the notebooks he's been comparing.

 

Umm, let's see Post #1 in this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4287682&postcount=1

 

This thread was merged with another thread dude. It was merged stupidly and should be un-merged, if that's possible, but that's how he knows what the guy wants.

Phinagle above linked the exact post where he told us what he wants.

 

Ok, but either way, I'm not confusing him, just stating facts. I don't care what he buys one way or another. The N10J is definitely no substitute if you need an actual notebook (mainly Core 2 Duo), but it is a very capable portable solution in between a netbook and notebook, minus the DVD drive.

 

Stating irrelevant/unhelpful facts can be confusing. For example, "it is a very capable portable solution in between a netbook and notebook" is a fact but is absolutely unhelpful and is confusing. At best, you're merely stating the obvious here.

 

And what have you offered that's so spectacular?

I am stating from first hand experience. Someone wants to know how something performs, I have the hardware, I'll offer up what I can.

 

Then why isn't this in "What notebook should I buy" forum instead? I didn't expect to get so much rude flack back from everyone. I've got the hardware (N10J) if he wants info, I'll give it. But apparently I'm an idiot for trying to help.

Thanks.

 

Guys, you have all been a great help.

I have been the illogical who asks stupid questions all the time. I gotta stop being so dim, or the mods will ban me! And I can understand that, because I am asking the same question in variation, and the because I have multiple threads going on, I get confused.


What I was thinking about now -

Having watched a ton of gaming videos of Basic Aluminium Macbook with the 9400m, It does everything I want. And I like Mac. And I don't mind occasionally, dual booting.(experience from Imac).
However, I would also like to just be able to turn on the machine and have Steam pop up.


I think I will buy an Asus N10(this just makes me want to have it so much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDnBnkuOTkI ) AND a Macbook. Maybe in theory, the Macbook Pro, would be better, as it would make more sense in my choice of arsenal. 10' Netbooky-notebookish, 15 decently powerful mac, 24' stationary Imac with 8800 GS.



For my Blu-Ray concern, I noticed that there are some decently priced Blu-Ray external slim players out there. I havent bought DVDs for over a year, because I wanted to switch to BR. I do have HDTV and PS3, but don't use them frequently.
I would still like to be able to buy my favorite films on Blu-Ray though.

 

Great, welcome to the N10J users world.

Make sure to visit www.n10user.com for all your N10 needs. I'm a mod there, be sure to stop by and say "hi".

That is also a good combo. Netbook + mid-range notebook + powerful desktop.

 

Thanks for all the help


Now let's get back to discussion. Ion? What can Intel do to stop it? If Nvidia wants to do it, what does Intel get out of stopping Nvidia? Their stakes in graphics can't be that high, can it?

 

Ion isn't about graphics it's about chipsets. If PC makers want to use the Ion chipset then Intel loses the sale of their chipset.

Intel's strategy for stopping Nvidia's chipset has been to put pressure on the manufacturers, smearing the value of using the Ion, and taking legal action saying Nvidia does not have the right to produce chipsets for their next gen CPUs.

The pressure tactic has worked as both MSI and ASUS have said they wont use Ion.

The smear tactic is made-up idiotic nonsense.

And the legal action may have to be dropped because Clarksfield quad-cores which are supposed to get released in June won't have a chipset that supports an IGP and there won't be a discrete Intel GPU until Q1 2010 when the IGP gets moved onto the CPU.

 

They are both at fault, since Nvidia won't give them an SLI license. Intel responded back by not giving them QPI license and limiting the Atom chipset pairing. The Ion doesn't have a place in the Netbook however, because its actually meant to compete against the Nettop solution not Netbook and the TDP is much higher than the power efficient 945GSE.

I doubt any will back down. They are worse enemies than with AMD now. Larrabbee will make it worse.

 

Heh saying they're both at fault is a safe way of saying things have escalated to the point where we don't remember who started it. Larrabbee (or atleast the concept behind Larrabbee) is already behind all of this and should actually end things when it's finally released as it will either it'll be successful and Intel will win or it'll fail and Nvidia will win.

The Ion may have been put into a Nettop first but it's going to be openly welcomed to the Netbook market by many people who see the extra power draw also comes with extra performance for features that the 945GSE chipset is way past lacking in and the GN40 won't match.

People want to use their tiny netbooks as a sometimes PSP and they want to hook them up to TVs to play downloaded movies.


What likely will stop the Ion in netbooks is the CULV and the Neo, but they will stop Ion by killing the netbook market itself. Once we start seeing more of those in 10"-12" systems, for sale at a price between $500-700, we'll see less talk about Atom powered netbooks....although the Atom will still be a worthwhile solution for Nettops and MIDs/handhelds.

 

I don't see you would want to use a netbook for any real gaming. It does not make sense, you know that netbooks do not provide the performance necessary to run modern games. I don't see why you would want to fiddle so much around with some game, just to get it to play, even on the lowest settings and resolution where it looks like crap.

 

It's true that it shouldn't be considered solely for gaming, but I when I carry my netbook around with me 90% of the time, and get some down time, I want to play a game. Of course it's ridiculous to assume Crysis as a game to play on the go, but RTS games like Age of Empires II or III, Sins of a Solar Empire, or Warcraft 3 are great candidates. Also, games lik Far Cry, Fallout 3, and Stalker run well too

 

For the EEE 1000H its all about mame, & zsnes

go back to the classics and those games are more prone to being keyboard friendly, playing fallout 3 or something on the eee would be a nightmare for me, and I dont want to carry around a mouse or something extra.

 

True, mouse is crucial. That's why I have a few Logitech VX Nano mice. Very small USB dongle, and the mouse is small with lots of buttons. I hate touchpads. I only use them when I need to jump on the web real quick and don't feel like fishing out my mouse.

 

Link

 

I have a Eee pc 1000ha and it cant even play simple flash game. the game crashes within 10mins and i have to restart the whole system. I have tried installing some games in it and it wont work well.. I guess Eee pc is only good for simple use, like net surfing, documents.. I ordered a Sager 8662 for gaming instead, esp when cool games like diablo3 n sims3 are releasing now. cant wait to get the laptop. i hope it is not too heavy to be carried around..

 

Unfortunately Flash is one downfall of a netbook. Flash is ALL CPU. Most PC's and notebooks these days have more than adequate CPU power, but the Atom, at least at 1.6GHz, tends to struggle.

I have to overclock to 2.1GHz in order to watch YouTube or Hulu videos half-way decently since they are flash based.

Depending on what games you want, it can play LOTS ( www.gameeer.com). Just don't expect anything newer than from 2003 to play well.

But classics like Warcraft 3, Battlezone, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Rainbow Six Three Raven Shield, No One Lives Forever (1 & 2), and even Far Cry at lowest settings, run well.

 

Do you know anything about all these upcoming interesting Free 2 Play games that seem to become all the rage?

like;

Battlefield Heroes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AAg9esPVvI
Crimecraft(GTA style MMO) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvb7LGd1mvg



how hard is it for Atom to watch youtube clips? its hard to imagine that if it can play HD movies smooth, then why not low quality youtube? flash is that demanding?

 

Netbooks can't play HD movies smooth. The N10J can get away with it if you use the 9300m GS to decode the HD.

I haven't tried battlefield heroes yet on a netbook, but it certainly seems that it should be playable. Not sure about Crimecraft though.

 

See this thread on the Eee 1000HV - comes with HD 3450!

 

I wonder is there are any plans to bring the nvidia G105 to the netbook market.....its smaller and runs cooler then the 9300gs plus its more powerful it looks like a pretty adequate replacement/upgrade for the N10J.

 

It is. Check out this thread: http://www.n10user.com/viewtopic.php?id=794

But they say it might not matter too much due to Atom

 

I think everyone here should read this article:


source: http://vr-zone.com/articles/review-mini-notebook-netbook-roundup/6822-22.html

 

Netbook and gaming... hum?

 

=============FAIL

 

I can't think of anything.

 

What's with all the netbook and gaming nay-sayers?

Again, no you're not going to play Crysis. But there's dozens of classics that run just fine on a netbook: Warcraft 3, Aliens vs. Predator, Rainbow Six 3 Raven Shield, Battlezone, Age of Empires 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, even the original Far Cry, among many many others.

I wouldn't use it as my primary gaming platform by any means, but if you're on the go and have down time, there's that opportunity to play games.

 

i was just messin lol i am all for pushing boundaries

 

Htwingnut - Is there any performance increase in Windows 7? I mean, is there any chance that day to day application use, like youtube, and such would help increase the performance of the CPU and general computing?

I ask since I have been told that Windows 7 runs more efficent and because you can disable more programs running in the background to take off the CPU load.


I wanna game on it, but I also have a normal stationary. It would be my main notebook.(doesn't seem to have enough money for a Macbook).



Further questions;

1)As far as handling HD Movies(on the 9300m) how does that work? Can I just load up a 1080p clip and play it in VLC, or does it require difficult tweaks to get it working?

2)Does it decrease the performance of the machine(HD Movie playback, games) to run it with an external monitor?

3)If I bought the fastest 2 Gigabyte Ram DDR2(compatible) I could find, and the fastest 500 GB 7200 Hard Drive, would I see any noticble computer improvements(load times, performance)?

4)Would I be able to use programs like Photoshop(just to d**k around, or Word?)

 

Maybe Alienware's "All Powerful" new computer is actually a GAMING NETBOOK!!!!

 

Whatever it will be, I hope it will have decent battery life, because thats important!