The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

I have an MSI GT60-ivy bridge.. As indicated on the picture will my nb be able to read the GTX 1060 provided an update on the bios or vbios be done?

 

.................in USA only.
I have the feeling none of the other "zones" of the world will get anything else than the joke offer.
The only thing that held me to MSI is the dynaudio speakers, they are just awesome. Way above ASUS ROG, and Clevo, everything else is normal.

 

I had GT780 and GT70 - both had Dynaudio speakers but I swear the older GT780 had much better sound. Loud and crystal clear. GT70 is still very good compared to other brands, but compared to the old GT780 it's day and night. Maybe different realtek chip. I liked the design though, I dont fancy all the shiny leds, racing stripes or whatever they put on gaming notebooks nowadays. Most of them look silly. Like a toy car for 8-year olds.

Back to topic, replacing machine is not an "upgrade", so no, they don't keep promise. Otherwise we can discuss how are apple netbooks upgradable. Simply swap it for new model for a thousand bucks...

What's worse though, even if we get over the fact that they dropped LVDS and changed the shape of the PCB, how can you be sure these machines will be upgradable? Heck even now Clevo and MSI cards are totally different. They might as well drop MXM altogether and sell BGA systems. Who cares it's MXM if next year we might see triangular or circular PCBs with 6, 8 or 12 pin power connectors.

The problem isn't that things changed. Problem is every brand went different way, creating their own "standards".

 

Totally. I don't see the point of making mxm when older machines can't use them. My machine just reached 1yr and already out of options. Might as well BGA everything like Alienware and get over with it.

 

Yup, same here.. So pissed off... Totally agree, your so called upgradeble notebook is no better than a BGA one...

 

I think you missed the point that Bugii was trying to make laptops shouldn't be non-upgradeable and we shouldn't give up and just go oh well its non-upgradeable might as well just go full bga and let this manufactures get away with it. We as consumers/notebook enthusiast should be pushing towards a new standard at the very least. If they cant deliver it then the only way is to vote with your wallets and not buy this sh@t until they figure it out. These companies know what there up to and know what the have done and are sitting back seeing if it will actually hurt there bottom line or if they can get away with this throw away BS and actually increase it buy making/milking you buy a whole new laptop year after year. I vote lets stop the Walmart mentality...Like come on this isn't a can opener here these are multi-thousand dollar laptops that could be obsoleted within a year...

 

True, my post was mix of sarcasm, rant and whining at the same time.
I'm fine with BGA on ~800 eur acer laptops used for excel and facebook. But these things are supposed to be desktop replacements. I'm sure there are people willing to buy new one every year or two, but how many?
The only reason I bought this expensive system over some thiner, more mobile and cheaper trashbook was the fact that I thought I'll be good to go for a couple of years.

 

Its not over yet folks as mad as I am with clevo and nvidia right now I'm still glad I have the option of replacing components myself if I want to upgrade or repair stuff. Lets hope the people trying to get the pascal/polaris cards to work are making progress and where theres a will theres a way. And if the shoe fits it can be worn and in our case the zotac cards fit.

 

What about Alienware 18 R1 Users : [

I was offered a good amount for my laptop, but stills dont want to sell it. I find it hard to find a decent upgrade to it (besides clevo).

 

Time to get things moving have emailed WDL to see if they will be stocking the E9260 and E9550 cards any time soon. Also I popped in the question whether legacy LVDS will be supported as well as eDP or not.

Let's see if they respond or not...

 

yesterday I was editing something in an unlocked bios in my GT60 with haswell. (old version with VGA port)

I found something interesting. there was an option to switch how the machine is connected to LCD. it was switched to eDP while I know 100% my panel is LVDS.
it makes me more convinced that this problem with support only for eDP is resolved with eDP to LVDS converter at GT60 4 gen MSI.

the only thing that I am worry about is how GT60 4 gen works with AMD cards.
no MSI 7970m
no DELL 8970m
works only with MSI 8970m

 

MS 16F4 right? That's Optimus which uses the iGPU as an eDP to LVDS converter

 

yes 16F4 but the iGPU isnt the converter.
There is special chip that converts the signal. Output of the iGPU is eDP

 

Ah ok gotcha now. Are you able to find schematics (service manual) to get the chip details? Or look around your mobo (start near the LVDS connector) and Google the chip specs off the top of the ICs

 

such a bad moment you ask for it ;p
to check it, there is a need to remove the GPU. yesterday I was switching it. while I am out of thermal paste now I am not going to remove GPU again.
anyway the MSI GX series uses ANX3110 that provides the conversion. in my opinion at 16F4 will be same or kind of same working because like someone told it before - haswell processors doasnt support LVDS

edit:
in 16F4 its ANX1120

 

I'm waiting for woodzstack to ship me the card (1060) and I'll test it in 4th gen GT70. That should be more or less same thing as GT60. I'll let you guys know as soon as it arrives.
As for the AMD cards, I have no idea. I know Dell 7970M works in non-optimus machine as I made it to work in GT780R. You need an unlocked BIOS though.
There were some rumors that the 7970M had to had some specific vBIOS - this was proven wrong. I tested 3 of those cards. There is an option in unlocked BIOS where you can change "EFI-conmpatible" or "Legacy" for dGPU.
Legacy worked for all 3 of them. Whether this applies to Optimus machines, I have no idea.

 

GT60 and GT70 got same board. at last there is no incompatibility in firmware and bioses.

as for the GT780R. thats a way different board.

 

Ancestors of these models, GT780 (1761) and GT680 (16F2), had different board. GT60 and GT70 are 16F4 and 1763. Are you sure it's same board ?
Anyway, compatibility should be same, as whatever what worked in GT780 also worked in GT660 and GT680. - if you remember the situation with Kepler cards where 770M worked but 780M didnt for whatever reason.

Also, courier just called me, 1060 is here! I'm not at home until Sunday unfortunately, so Sunday evening, we will know if it works. Fingers crossed.

Do you think you can fit 1070 in it?
I cannot in GT70, at least not without some crazy chassis modding. There's a power connector right where the extra bit of PCB would go. Perhaps I could desolder it and use a piece of wire to move it where kensington lock is now.

 

Whose WDL lol?

 

One of few embedded gpu resellers. They are only one to offer M295x in mxm form as individual sales.

If anyone gets e9550 it will be them..

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What about the 16F3 for GT60?

 

Do you have a link to their website?

 

http://www.wdlsystems.com/contact/contact.html

Just spend 10 minutes waiting to get through to a sales representative. No joy. So perhaps we try again some other time. Perhaps someone else can have a go in the meantime.

 

Disclaimer: After some testing I run into a few issues, I edited my post. read below.

Hello,
So I got the GTX1060 working in MSI GT70 4th gen i7 - kind of.
However, it's detected as basic display adapter. When I start render test, gpu gets warmer so it works.



Edit:
I had to disable driver signature in Win10.
working!



There are still some issues though:

GPU is detected and modded drivers installed, but for some reason, dGPU is only used with external screen. When I disconnect HDMI or mDP external LCD, it automatically switches back to iGPU.
This is most likely vBIOS issue as I have experienced same behavior of Dell GTX770M in this machine. Flashing MSI vBIOS helped. I don't have different vBIOS for this card though.

I've tried to download non-Gsync vBIOS from MSI site, but nvflash doesnt work (perhaps driver signature again ?) When I run nvflash -4 -5 -6 bios.rom it displays help documentation for nvflash.

 

Good stuff! So basically plug and play? What are your temps like.

 

Actually I've run into some issues.
It looks like dGPU cannot use built-in display. - intel gpu is used. dGPU kicks in only when I connect external screen. So definitely not plug and play.
I guess the one Prema had working in clevo used optimus just fine, so it looks like software issue.

 

Woodz also reported the 1060 working in AW17 but there's a kicker, the Optimus MUX issue / Pascal LVDS compatibility - You cannot see it the dedicated mode it seems, until it boots into Windows, i.e when the Driver kicks in, Until then rely on the DP or HDMI.

It's a huge pita but 120Hz should be pnp given that the vBIOS doesn't throttle or impose power limits.

 

Better than nought I suppose!

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I do have an optimus with LVDS. GPU is detected.

Problem is, 1060 only outputs to HDMI or mDP. When I disconnect external screen, only intel GPU is used. - I don't have black screen while booting to windows because intel GPU works.
I will try different BIOS from non-G-sync card. - at least I think it's either G-sync OR optimus. So G-Sync cards should NOT have optimus enabled.
fingers crossed.

Does anyone have idea what was the vBIOS version in 1060 Prema used in Clevo P150EM ?
It's aroun page 53 of this thread.

 

it was a custom vbios that he came up with to make it work properly in the P150EM

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Really ?
I thought he modded system BIOS not video BIOS.

 

yeap a BIOS not a vbios.

it should run on GT72 plug and play since no optimus here..
1060 card ? why not ^^

 

Mine is GT70 with optimus. And it behaves a bit strange, that's why 'm asking. I'll try to contact him.

 

This may be it. AFAIK, Gsync doesn't work with Optimus

 

yes, my bad! i remembered incorrectly in that he left the system bios stock,but it was actually the vbios of the 1060 that he left stock ^^

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Can you please run Firestrike and share your score? Does anyone have a GTX1060 score for Firestrike? Want to see if its worth getting..

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http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10867787

 

Is this stock or overclocked?

 

OCed, but hard to say what clocks it was actually using with all the throttle Pascal forces on us...
Expect 12-13k GPU score on these 1060 cards without vBIOS Mod.

 

hello friends.

I came specifically for the dream of seeing a 1060 in my p150em clevo. I wouldnt mind if itd only work with my hdmi connection as thats what i primarily use.+
The price of the 980m kits out there is kinda... well when i look at the price of the mxm 1060 cards, the 1060 outperforms or is on par with the 980 and it cost less.
I mainly use my hdmi connection for an external monitor to game and do everything really. Anyone have a rundown of compatible fitting cards and where id find a bios? I been reading through this thread forawhile and have seen alot of msi/aw/other models stuff.

As i've yet to see a eurocom kit for it and thought there would be one by now. As ive seen no news of it coming in any soon time frame any help would be appreciated.

 

The GTX 1060 succeeds the 970M. I wouldn't want to pay much more than a 970M for a 1060 honesty.

I want my brother to get a 1060 for his AW17 but if they're $600+ then I don't see it being worth it.

 

It seems to me like the same. physical shapes same. Know the one that is using 16F4 at GT70. Also I tried many times flashing 16F4 with GT70 bioses and EC firmwares. Seems to me like same.

unfortunately I dont know. You need to check if there is the converter. If you dont have it then you can use this card (if it will run) only at external screen (I hope so)

thats the thing I knew it.
We are not gonna run it untill we dont have the optimus vbios. Thats cool information that it works at last at external but it makes the laptop a desktop one.
BTW. how did you combine 1060 with i7 6700k in GT70? wat da fak?

and the question. How its about the heatsink. Any modding?

 

Well in that case 1060 would be fine for you. The gpu performs really good, outperforms 980m by about 10-15% at stock clocks and runs way lot cooler.
But the fact taht it requires external screen is deal breaker for me.
BTW. it works with both HDMI and miniDisplayPort.
But I carry the laptop to work where I dont have external screen and without it, it runs on iGPU. This is a no-go for me. If you're using yours as desktop replacement with external screen for everyday use, I'd say go for it. It's faster, cooler and cheaper than 980M.

 

Nope, I have 4710QM cpu in my GT70.
This machine does have the edp-lvds converter.
In fact, GTX1060 CAN render to laptop screen. - it works fine when I connect external screen and do a 2-display setup. Both extended and duplicate mode works. dGPU is rendering to both screens.
Problem is, if I disconnect external screen and keep only built-in display, Optimus will switch back to iGPU and GTX1060 is idle.
Running 3D app or game will not fire the card up as it should. The only way to fire up the card is to connect HDMI/mDP screen again.
I'm just guessing (there are other experts here on forums who might know better) but if the card renders to built in screen, it should be optimus-enabled. The problem is switching between iGPU and dGPU is a bit clunky.

yep, 970M heatsink did require a modding. You need cut off one bit so that the voltage regulator will fit. (about 5 minutes of work)

 

well. I think you dont get things right.
The laptop got the eDP to LVDS converter but can not cooperate with iGPU due to lack of optimus support in vbios.
however when you are connecting an external screen it doasnt go this way. the HDMI or mDP are baypassed or lets say connected directly to dGPU

edit:
okay I think I got you now. anyway I think still no optimus at card.
can you use the dGPU with a VGA port?
if true then you can fool the dGPU by specific wiring of the plug without external screen

 

It makes sense since MSI uses this card in non-optimus machines. But then, how come it renders to built-in screen ? - it has to go through iGPUs' frame buffer.
I could try another vBIOS, but I'll need someone to teach me how to use nvflash with pascal cards, since nvflash - 4 -5 -6 vbios.rom does nothing. it displays help docmentation for nvflash as if it was unknown command.
Don't have D-sub screen but I'll try to get one and see.

 

you can try also d sub to hdmi or mdp converter.
it cost like 2 dollars (aliexpress)

then if it works then you can do the trick

 

well no, they use it in the GT72VR which is optimus enabled.

 

can you pint me to the website with that machine ?
I found only GT72Tobii, GT72 and GT62
GT72 uses 120Hz screen, BIOS available on the site is for G-sync card only.

 

depends on your country usa ? germany ? uk ?