UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

Its better then you seem to think. It will run HL2 at high setings, Quake IV at medium, Call of Duty 2 I'm not sure but I can easily imagine medium, or even high if you use DX7 mode. BF2142 runs quite well also, check around the threads there has actually been a BF2142 on X1400 screenshot thread recently.. Scarface isn't overly hardware demanding and will run fine.

 

Hai,

Which the best graphic adapter today? I saw a x1800 xt in ati page, and a GeForce Go 7950 GTX in nvidias. Seem to be the newest and hotest products. Which one is better or is some alse better cards(for notebooks)?

 

Read the stickies before you post . . your thread has been merged with one. Your answer can be found on the first page of this thread.

 

Hey, I'm looking into getting a used notebook- how does the Mobility Radeon 9600 stack up against newer cards?

 

The Mobility Radeon 9600 is about as fast as a Radeon X300/GeForce Go6200, perhaps a bit faster.

 

Wow, really? That's better than what I was expecting. So it would run BF2 and CS:S on low-med details decently?

 

Perhaps a bit higher than that - CS:S at least. As long as you have enough RAM (1GB+), they should run fine.

 

Let me 1st congratulate Chaz for brilliant work he has done.
I am from India and was looking forward to buy a laptop for abt US$2000 which can also play games like doom3,half-life,far cry,fifa2006 and few more demanding games and would like it to last next 3yrs atleast.
I went to all 76 pages of this great thread in the last 2-3 days which i came to know when i google searched it.But as many of u have said that we should wait for DX10 and also next santa rosa platform CPU.
Currently i have ATI9600pro in my desktop and can play above mntioned games at medium settings.

What should i do,wait or buy now as i will be keeping it for next 3yrs?Cant spend the money again and again.I can wait atleast 3-4months.

I'm sorry if i posted in wrong thread......

 

Hey, thanks for the compliments. I'm always opened to suggestions if you think something can be improved.

9600Pro .. I would probably upgrade that card in your desktop, put in a 7600GS (AGP). It is a lot cheaper than getting a new computer. Waiting 4 or so months for Vista, the new Centrino Pro platform, and DirectX 10 is well worth it in my opinion. You also might want to add some RAM to that machine of yours.

 

Question:

I have a travelmate 2420 with integrated graphics and from the display it tells me that I have a maximum of 64MB graphics memory available. Is there any way of improving this through changing settings (if so,how?) or even through upgrading the amount of RAM in the machine?

Or is that all it has? I don't mind if it is, I'm curious to know if I'm getting the most out of this machine at the moment, or if I'm overlooking something.

 

Thanx Chaz for quick reply..

As suggested by u i will wait for 3-4 months.I do have some relatives in USA who can bring it for me.Prices in India r just too much and i dont think i will be able to find a laptop with latest video card.

As of now,no plan to upgrade current desktop.will keep the money for laptop.I will be looking for something like..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834115247

OR

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.a...m=203150509&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=17379

 

Can you give us some more information about your system. Does it have an integrated Intel or ATI videocard? And how much RAM do you have?

If you have an Intel shared videocard, it may be possible to adjust the amount of videoram trough BIOS, but not all models support this.

The same counts for ATI shared videocard, but I heard that you can also adjust that with Catalyst Control Center.

Charlie

 

If you are really insisting in getting such a dekstop replacement then I think the Acer is a great solution. Huge 20.1" screen will be great to game on and the 7600Go with 256 MB is a modern card. But I really advice you to configure iit with a Core 2 Duo instead of Core Duo. If there is no option for Core 2 Duo, then do not buy the 2.13 GHz Core Duo but the 2.0 GHz Core Duo. 0.13 GHz cost 250$ more and gives you a very little performance boost. You can use that 250$ for other accesoires like a carrying bag, notebook coolers, mouse etc.

Charlie

 

Unfortunately, Acer notebooks cannot be configured so you have to choose from pre-configured models.
I do agree though that the Intel mobile processors over 2.0GHz are not worth the money, so do not upgrade to them if you have the option.

 

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that Chaz. Well then I would definately not go for the 20". Too expensive, not a good price/quality ratio.

Just wait for Santa Rosa platform: DX10, New wireless Lan, Dual core and 64-bit, 800 FSB and 800 MHz DDR2...

Charlie

 

that seems to be the right choice.thanx a ton guys for ur help.

 

No problem, we are here to help.

I want to discuss something with you guys. As we all know nVidia has released it's newest videocard 8800GTX. I am expecting the mobile versions of the G80 (8600Go, 8800Go, 8800GTX Go) after 2-3 months (Q1 2007). I think that nVidia has won the battle for Santa Rosa.

The reason I am saying this is because ATI has not even released it's desktop videocards. ATI is planning to do that at Q1 2007. I am sure it will take 2-3 months for ATI to make the Mobility series, but in the meantime nVidia will have all the orders for Santa Rosa notebooks with DX 10 videocard.

What do you guys think about it? Or am I making a mistake? And how can ATI win back it's mightyness in the notebook market? Is the 4x4 platform of AMD/ATI going to be a revolution?

I know this sounds like a soap but I am very curious.

Charlie

 

We have a discussion here about the 8800 + notebooks:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=86933
It does not seem like putting that in a laptop is going to be possible. Once mid-range DX10 cards are released (remember we are only seeing the very high-end stuff right now), perhaps they can be adopted for notebook use.

 

Sorry, I have an integrated intel 910 as graphics with (currently) 512MB ram. I've got another gig of ram coming through the post very soon.

 

The amount of video RAM for the GMA900 is dynamically shared from 8MB-128MB, it can't be user-changed.

 

7800 go was released jan this year

7600 go april although x1600 before that.

Count on it being close to exactly the same

The high end comes first then the low end then the middle.

 

Fair enough then, thank you for the information.

 

Even if you could regulate the amount of video memory the GMA900 takes, it would make no practical difference in the end - gaming performance won't improve, and your user experience wouldn't change. So it is best to let the card do its thing.

 

I'm not being funny here, but if it that's the case then why does it regulate itself at all and not just remain fixed at a preset level?

 

If the card just took up a set amount, that would be a waste in a lot of situations - the card would be taking up memory it does not need. By dynamically allocating memory, it isn't taking up unnecessary megabytes and thus more system memory is free. That's always a good thing.

 

Hi guys,

I just wanted to know which GPU was the best, the second best and the worst out of the following, and by how much:

ATi Mobility Radeon X1400 (notebook GPU)
ATi Radeon 9600 (desktop GPU)
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 (desktop GPU)

Basically just wanna know X>Y>Z... and the difference between them, in terms of speed and power, and compatibility for the latest games...?

Thanks.

 

From best to worse:

Ati Mobility Radeon X1400 > ATI Radeon 9600 > FX 5500.

Because the X1400 is a newer card and has new features it is better then the 9600. The 5500 is worse then the 9600, the 5-series of nVidia are known to have low performance.

The X1400 will be compatible for the latest games (SM 3.0, HDR + AA etc.). For example: I have a X700 here and cannot play Splintercell 4: Double Agent because I do not support SM 3.0. The X1400 won't have this problem...

Charlie

 

Will someone tell me just how High-End the Nvidia GeForce Go 7900GS is when compared to existing desktop cards?

 

It's not quite as fast as a GeForce 7800GT but will outpace a GeForce 7800GS and Radeon X800XL.

 

Nice chart Chaz, glad to see you've kept it up to date as well .

 

hey, what graphics driver do you guys recommend for the nVidia 7800go I play games like BF2, CoD1, WoW, and FEAR. I have the 97.02 but I do not really like the performance I am getting with it, maybe because it was originally made for a more recent graphics card.

 

I would suggest falling back to one of the 92.xx drivers, check the LaptopVideo2Go website. I had a lot of success with those and the last Nvidia mobile card I used.

 

Thanks Chaz, I fell back to the 92.91 and it is working amazing, the OC settings and all =].

 

May I know how to cool down my ati X1400 in my Inspiron E1505? Idle temp is 59degrees. That is high.....

Update:

Here's what i did



I took my old stock heatsink from my Geforce 2 Mx440 agp and stuck a 40mm 12V fan onto it. It's powered by a 10v AC adapter.

 

yup.....thats [almost] what i am doing now.I will be adding ATI1650pro and 512mb of more RAM.Unfortunately I could not get 7600GT [AGP] and here is the lnik of video card i have bought.....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102056

Is it better than 7600gs?
I just hope it works for me when i get it.

 

Wow thats incredible mate, what a great solution for heat! You should join our NBR OC Team, I am sure you can clock that X1400 to the limits with that cooler!

Charlie

 

I haven't seen any benchmarks for the desktop X1650PRO, but it should be a strong card. I would assume it has similar performance to the 7600GS.

That's a really good cooling solution calvin, great job. Feel free to join the NBR OC Team as Charlie mentioned.

 

What...? Dude you've got to show us how you did this!!! Any cutting/soldering involved? How did you fit that fan inside your laptop?

 

I don't know if this has already been posted somewhere, but here's a mobile graphic card comparison that I found very helpful:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

It's pretty detailed, and even lists approximate 3dmark scores for each card.

 

Hi, Chaz & everybody here,

Thanks so much as your posts have been a great help to me, solving my questions regarding different models of GPUs. I'm new here and I'm planning to buy my first notebook and there is a few questions I would like to ask for your help.

I'm interested in Vaio FE35GP which main specifications are stated below,

Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T5600 (1.83 GHz)
・Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
・Intel® 945PM Express Chipset

Processor System Bus - 667 MHz
Memory Bus - 533MHz

Cache Memory - L1 Cache: 64 KB L2 Cache: 2 MB (on CPU)
Main Memory - 512 MB DDR2 SDRAM
***(As you remind, I would upgrade to 1GB)***

Hard Disk - 100 GB Serial ATA, 5400 rpm
Optical Drive - DVD±RW Drive (supporting DVD+R DL)

GPU - NVIDIA GeForce® Go 7600 with dedicated 128MB Video Memory

My questions are:

1)Will it able to run the full Windows Vista experience, especially the WIndows Aero user interface?

2)Will 2 more MB of cache memory make a difference? As there is another model, FE38GP(the only differences are T7200, 2GHz, 4MB L2 Cache on CPU, 1 GB DDR2 SDRAM, 120 GB Serial ATA 5400 rpm), which costs around 275 US dollars more. Is it worth paying more for those four features?

3)What are the differences between Nvidia GeForce Go 7600 and Nvidia GeForce Go 7600 SE?

At the end, I would like to thank you again for all of those useful articles.

Cheers.

 

1) Vista Aero would run more than smoothly on any modern computer with min 1GB RAM and video card like GMA 950 or above. So, it's really pointless question in your case

2) You're not gonna see a diffrence between T5600 and T7200 for regular stuff and games. However, it would make a diffrence only in demanding tasks such as rendering or video encoding.

3) The "SE" version of the Go 7600 is crippled in same way (for example: memory bus, pipelines, vram)

 

Crippled?

As I've checked with your "Mobile Graphics Cards Gaming Performance Chart", isn't Go 7600 among the high class gaming cards? Is it because of the low dedicated video memory(128MB) that comes with the Vaio package?

Thanks for replying me, Dreamer =)

 

Just found out this article...

"Notebook Video Graphics Card Guide 2006 "

 

The Go 7600 is a good card but usually, the " SE" suffix means budget version of the card (i.e. crippled in same way) that would be underclocked, have reduced piplines, halved memory bus or even DDR2 ram instead of DDR3...

The GMA 900 does not support the WDDM driver (the new Microsoft’s display driver) so Vista Aero does not run on the GMA 900.

HOWEVER, VISTA AERO DOES RUN ON THE GMA 950 WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS.

Otherwise, you can find so much baseless nonsense flying around...

 

The GeForce Go7600 128MB in the Sony VAIO FE790 is a regular Go7600 with a 128-bit bus. It's still a very fast card and great for gaming, much more so than any Go7400/Radeon X1400.

This has been confirmed at many different sources on the Internet, including here. It is a fact.

 

Thanks so much for solving my questions, Dreamer & Chaz (^.^)

 

Just a question, I am looking at a laptop, it's a dell inspiron 9400 with a 1.83 core duo, and the radeon X1400, 160GB HDD, it's $1850 CND, with a TV tuner. Is it a decent deal?

 

What will you be doing on it?

I personally would not buy a 17" notebook with a mid-range video card (i.e. X1400)

 

You should post this question in the What Should I Buy forum so we can help you better.

 

OK, I'm not a big gamer but I like to play every once in a while. I was gonna go with 15" but on these you can "only" get x1400 (for cheap). I know x1400 is worse than 7900GS but, is it like Ford and BMW? Do I really have to go with 17" and a better card if I want to play.. Gothic 3 for example?
512mb Nvidia quadro NVS 120M (on dell D820) - how good is it?