UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

Lets say hypothetically you get a notebook and they underclock the GPU. If you over clock it just to the standard speed, is your warrenty voided?

 

I would specifically check with your warranty provider, but generally clocking back to stock speeds does not void the warranty. However, if doing so fried your system, it would not be covered by the warranty. That's incredibly unlikely however, and it's usually worth it to clock the GPU at least back to stock speeds.

 

Thanks Chaz, I guess I still wonder other than gaming is there any real difference?

I recently purchased a Dell Inspiron 6400 w/ a nVidia 256MB Ge Force 7300 Graphics card and am looking at returning the computer and getting the Inspiron 640m which comes with the Intel Media Accelerator 950. The 640m is too small to upgrade to a low or mid-range card. I am not a big gamer(actually I don't play on my comp.) at all and mostly use the system for normal internet functions. I do travel and like to watch a movie here and there. I am running Vista Home Premium and was told the better card will help my OS run better.

So my question is, will a simple guy like myself really notice the difference between the nVidia 7300 and the 950? I do some photo editing and presentation type operations but I don't do many things that involve much graphics. But I don't want Vista to perform any less. Are there any other features that may be affected? Is gaming the only main difference?

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Check your private message box.

 

In the first post GMA X3000 shpuld be renamed to X3100, AFAIK X3000 is the destop version and X3100 is the notebook one

 

Thanks, I made the change.

 

Hey Chaz,thanks for the detailed explanation of diff. types of cards. I am particularly interested in the 7400 as i plan to buy a HP dv6000t(core 2 duo T7200,2GB,160GB,go7400----a avg. lappie).
here are some noob queries of mine:
1)Is it better to wait until i get 8400 in HP dv6500t(i can hold another 2 months)

2)how much more performance can be expected?and the cost increase?

3)my req:casual gaming.40-50 fps in med. quality settings in any avg. game like nfs most wanted and GTA san andreas would be good.BUT i want to be able to play the next installments in both even if in very low settings atleast(whenever they release....a bit of future-proofing)

4) the hp dv6000t/dv6500t is gonna cost around $1300 on their site..can i get laptops cheaper online elsewhere? and can u suggest better laptops in 1200-1300 price range?

thks in advance.

 

where do you have this info from ?
i keep asking this info on dozen threads and nobody points me to an official HP link where I can clearly see the official HP statement of the Nvidia cards implementation soon !

 

That's because HP hasn't made an official announcement. However, I would bet that it will be within 2 months.

 

ok, i could live with this.. but any rumour or gossip has a seed of truth somewhere.. it must be a website even if it's not HP that states this ! do you know of any ?

 

Yes, the 8400M is going to offer a noticeable performance increase over the Go7400 so it would be preferable to wait.

You can configure a dv6500t right now on shopping.hp.com:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...e&v1=Entertainment&series_name=dv6500t_series
So add $100 - $200 to that I guess.

The dv6500t with the 8400M will do that for you and so will the dv6000t with the Go7400.

Yes you can get a better laptop for your needs - if you complete the FAQ in the What Should I Buy forum, we can offer some recommendations.

 

Chaz my man.. please.. give me a link where I can read about the rumour of HP notebooks having 8400 cards soon ! Where did you hear about this from ?

 

Right here, in the announcement:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3687
The HP dv2500t and the dv6500t will both be available with the Nvidia 8400M (no word on which version, probably the GS); there is no exact date as for when, but I heard that it should be in June.

 

Unfortunately, there's no source cited in Andrew's announcement there but...
you again, in your post, used the word "heard" ! where from ?

 

I believe it was in the discussion for the HP announcement.

 

hey chaz, or any1 else with some info...

Does anyone know how the 2600 and 2600XT will perform against the 8600m gs and 8600m gt? I have seen some 2600XT clocks which are i might say very nice... but that didnt seem to mean much with the 2900 in the desktops.

 

I'd like to see how the 2600 performs as well. I know ATI is touting it's superb high-def playback, with vastly decreased processor load. I still want to know how it stands up to cards in the 8600M lineup.

 

I really, really doubt you'll see any major performance difference between the HD 2600XT and the 8600M GT. Although the 2600XT has a smaller manufacturing process, the Geforce 8 architecture is still on-par (that's proven by the 8800GTS versus the HD 2900XT comparison - the HD 2900XT has a 512-bit memory bus with more than double the stream processors, but it still performs equally to the 8800GTS and can't match the 8800GTX). Perhaps a difference of only a few hundred 3DMark06 points, which you won't feel in a real-world application.

 

Woww... ^_^

 

I guess this shows I am a newbie here. But I will ask it anyways.

The first post was great. But I still have to ask this.

- Other than playing games (which I don't do) is there a benefit to having a dedicated video card?
- Why do they offer dedicated video cards on high end business laptops for people that will never play games on them


Thanks.

 

Rendering images is pretty intensive I think. So CAD and engineer stuff. ALthough I don't see many engineers working off of their laptops. So maybe as a way to carry their work in between home and work and having the option to work on it if they want to. Also, video and image editing.

 

Hi Chaz & All,

I've a few questions regarding the GPUs of the ASUS four new released models in my country:
G1S (G8600M 512MB TurboCache),
A8Sc (G8400M 384MB TurboCache),
F3Sc (G8400M 384MB TurboCache),
W7S (G8400 384MB TurboCache).

1. Could you help me to rate these 3 GPUs above as I can't find it in your graphic chart.

2. What's the difference between G8400M and G8400? Correct me if the brochure has got it wrong.

3. Are these 3 GPUs DirectX10 compatible?

4. Is Intel 965PM Express Chipset so-called Santa Rosa platform?

Thanks so much for your help... ^ ^

 

The 8600m-GT in the Asus G1s is more than twice as powerful as the other cards listed there. As far as I know, the other two cards (G8400m, and 8400m) are exactly the same, they are merely listed differently. (The G prefix is a hold over from the older series', the Geforce Go. The new series, the 8M series, merely places an M at the end of the name to signify it's a notebook card. Therefore the G8400 and the G8400m and the 8400m are all different ways of denoting the same card.)

Yes, all 8m series cards are DX10 compatible.

Yes, the Intel 965 chipset is the same as the Santa Rosa chipset.

 

Wow... odin243, thanks for your speedy reply.

As my gaming needs are moderate, meanwhile I want to retain some portability and battery life, so W7S with G8400M 384MB TurboCache
will suit me best?

 

If portability is your main concern I would go for a 14" and less screen. The GeForce 8400M is a better card than the Go7400 as far as I can tell so it is a decent performer.

 

Thanks Chaz, you guys are really helpful and friendly.

The 13.3" W7S is really a cool machine. ^ ^

 

is the x1600 a 128mb or 256mb version? i have a 128mb version is it still in category D?

 

128MB cards typically have half the bus of 256MB cards, so it is likely that performance would take a severe hit.

 

i was told by someone that when they tested the x1600 128mb and x1600 256mb side by side there was not much of a difference graphics wise!

 

how do i check the bit bus or can sum1 check it.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Toshiba_Satellite_Pro_A100_828_Core_2_Duo_T5500_1_66_GHz_15_4_TFT__6583842

That is the spec.

thanks

 

It has 128MB of dedicated memory.This will lower the performance try out a 256MB one (that is if you can't wait for the DX10 laptops to come)

 

yes i know it has 128mb but people are saying about bit bus speeds. has it got a 64 or 128 bit bus speed? :S

 

The x1600 has 128 bit bus speed.

http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonx1600/specs.html

 

well why are people telling me there are different versions of the x1600 some with 64 and some with 128 bit bus speeds. is there different versions of the x1600?

 

As far as I know, there is no 64-bit version of the x1600. Can someone confirm this?

 

I think there might have been a 64-bit version in an Acer notebook...

 

You seem to be right, I didn't know that existed.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=72946

 

Dunno if this has been answered yet.

Does anyone know if the X1400 or Go 7300 (Dell E1505) is better for _Open GL_ games? I've heard the X1400 is more powerful but that generally, Nvidia's better for Open GL.

 

I have another question for you guys.

The Asus G1S overclocked gets around 5000 on 3Dmark06, but the F3SV-B1 gets around 3000 overclocked. How well would the F3SV-B1 do in DX10 games such as Lost Planet and Crysis? How well would the G1S do?

I'm considering getting the F3SV-B1 or possibly the F8s (if I can wait). I definitely want to play the new DX10 games coming out. So if F3SV-B1 can play those games well, then I just might consider pulling the trigger on the F3SV-B1 instead of waiting the two months for the F8s. What do you guys think? Is the F8s worth waiting for or should I just get the F3SV?

I am also interested in knowing what kind of FPS would the 8400 GS get on those DX10 games as well...

Thanks in advance!

 

The Nvidia chips are superior performers in OpenGL games like Doom 3. However, the X1400 is a more powerful card overall . . . I would recommend the latter for gaming.

No one knows how well these laptops are going to do in future games simply because the games are not out yet. You'll have to wait until they are.

Are the specifications of the F3SV and the F8 similar?

 

Well, I was figuring that since the Lost Planet DX10 demo is out that we can get a pretty good idea at least how these laptops will do when playing that. I'm gonna go look up some information on Lost Planet benchmarks, see what I can find.

If we can't tell how well the 8600 GS would run a DX10 game, how well does it run say BF2140, Doom3, and CS:S in DX9?

Thanks!

 

Here is a list of benchmarks for just about every (recent) notebook video card:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
That's all I have for now in terms of benchmarks.

 

The F3SV has the 8600GS while the F8 is rumored to have the HD 2600. Now, while those two are in parallel spots in ATI's and Nvidia's DX10 mobile lineups, some are speculating that the HD 2600 won't take as much of a hit from the HD 2600XT as the 8600GS takes from the 8600GT, since ATI has the smaller manufacturing process.

In all, I'd say wait for the F8, and hope it features something on par with the 8600GT, since the 8600GS simply does not seem to perform well enough in DX10 benchmarks such as the Lost Planet DX10 demo.

 

I'm wondering if this is still accurate. It's from early 2006, has this been updated or is this old information? Namely whether or not the Go7400 is still in the middle of the pack and thusly good enough for the majority of games today.

 

Hmm... im thinking about buying another computer for a relative and I would like to know how an 8400GS would match up against an x1700, in dx9 application. I assume the x1700 is a little better but if you have any feedback I would appreciate it greatly.

 

This guide is updated very frequently; the current standings for all cards listed in this guide are still correct to my knowledge. I have not added in DirectX 10 cards yet because I do not have any real world gaming scores for them.

Simply put, the 8400M wouldn't stand up to the X1700. The X1700 is a much more powerful card for DirectX 9 gaming. If you are going to be gaming then I don't think there is any doubt the X1700 is the better choice.

 

Now that we have reliable real-world gaming and benchmark scores for the 8400mGT and the 8400mGS, do you think you'd consider adding them?

 

8600GS ~ x1700 so the 8400GS is way... away

 

Could you provide a link to those benchmarks? I'll take a look and then add the cards in.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
you have some 3DMark benchmark with 8400G, 8400GS, 8600GS & 8600GT (but not for 8400GT)
8400G and 8400GS are faster tan ATI X1400 but slower than X1600 or GF7600
8600GS is similar to GF7700
8600GT is better tan X1800