UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

I would suggest you get a better processor and ram. 1 gig won't be enought for vista.

 

Yes the 7900GS is DX9 card but it is a 256 bit card and once overclocked it can give you nice boosts in performance. The 8600M GT maybe a DX10 card but doesn't run DX10 features smoothly. Moreover it is a 128 bit card.

 

Go for the 7900gs, it's slightly faster and the laptop equipped with it has a better processor and more RAM.

 

Which is better! Likely to last! Or is there one that murder em' both!!

Thanks

Steve

 

laptop-no one knows yet.
desktop-hd4850 hands down, although 4870 would beat both by quite a bit

 

With so many GPUs coming out in the past few months I've lost track of what each one of them is capable of. I am going to buy a low-end gaming laptop preferably 13" or smaller screen.

The GPU options I've seen are NV 9200, 9300, 9400, 8400, 8600GS and ATI HD3200 and 3470.

I wanted to know how would you rank these GPUs. Which one of these is best equipped to handle little gaming. I like to try the newest games but not at the best settings or resolution necessarily, the game just has to run smoothly. Which one of these will do that best.

If there is a laptop in 13" screen or smaller with a better GPU than any of these then please let me know but there should be a way for me to get it to Canada because I really wanted to get the Benq x31 but it is not available here.

 

if you're going for low end graphics cards on the newest games you'll most likely be gaming at 640x400 hehehe

 

Read the stickies: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=302231

 

we dont even know how does the HD 3850 perform..

 

asus f6 with a hd3470

 

+1 to that....go read Chaz's amazing info on Graphics Card

I believe he ranked it

HD3200<9200< 8400~9300 < HD3470 < 8600

Not sure about 9400, it could be somewhere between 9300 and HD3470 or better

 

i find my sony sr with the ati 3470 is good for my gaming needs (which isnt that much, mostly source-based games)

 

8600 > 9400 > 3470 > 9300 > 8400 > 9200 > 3200

 

I also just read somewhere that Asus has a 13" laptop with 9500gs. Isnt it the best of the lot mentioned above and even better than the 8600GT. What are your thoughts on it?

 

9500 GS is 8600gt renamed, so the performance is pretty similar

 

I don't know if anyone's said it so far, but the OP needs to be updated in order to take the new MacBook/MacBook Pro's and their 9400/9600s into account.

 

So are there already benchmarks for this graphic card?

How does it compare agaisnt the 9800GTS, 9800 GT and 9700GTS?

 

Eh, below 9800M GTS and GT, above 9700M GTS.
Check out the Asus G50Vt thread in the Asus forum. And don't forget about the resolution for the benchmark provided.

 

it's the worst of the 9800's. it's still a great card though...I don't know of any benckmarks though, sorry

 

A 9800 GS, paired with the 2.26Ghz P8400, once scored 7683 in 3dmark06 @ 1280x1028; my GT, coupled with the same processor, will score between 8700-8900.

 

you know, i was wondering the same thing...what is a 9800gs? what are the specs like shaders, shader clock, core clock, memory etc..

 

NVIDIA Geforce 9800m GS
GPU/Core: G94M
Process: 65nm
Memory: 512 MB DDR3
Shaders: 64 unified
DirectX 10.0/SM4.0
Pixel Fillrate: 8.5GPixels/s
Texture Fillrate: 17 GTexels/s
Bus Width: 256 bit
Bandwidth: 51.1 GB/s
GPU/Core Clock: 530mz
Memory: 799MHz
Shader: 1325mhz

Hope it helps!

 

so basically an underclocked 9800m gts.....pfft!

 

What about the 9800M-GTS SLI? where would that stand?

 

Well, I'll leave the 9700M GTS and 9800M GTS specifications for comparison (it's between the two performance-wise).

NVidia 9700M GTS
GPU/Core: G94
48 Stream Processors
GPU/Core clock: 530 MHz
Shader Clock: 1325 MHz
Memory Clock: 800 MHz
Memory Interface: 256 bit
Memory Bandwidth: 51.2 GB/s
Texture Fillrate: 12.7 billion texels/s
190.8 GigaFLOPS.

NVidia 9800M GTS
GPU/Core: G94
64 Stream Processors
GPU/Core clock: 600 MHz
Shader Clock: 1500 MHz
Memory Clock: 800 MHz
Memory Interface: 256 bit
Memory Bandwidth: 51.2 GB/s
Texture Fillrate:19.2 billion texels/s
288 GigaFLOPS

I hope this makes it clear for anyone considering these GPUs and makes their decision easier

 

So pre-OC it will beat the 9700m GTS soundly with 16 more shader units and the same clocks.

A note that OC-wise it will likely be heat-limited as the GS ships in 15" laptops.

I am so far VERY impressed with this GPU and the ASUS laptop.
I haven't done any benchmarks yet, but everything I have thrown in here is amazingly smooth.
I'll see if I can do some base and OC benchmarks tomorrow night.

 

Yes, it's good news to the 15.4"/15.6" form factor notebooks. Note that not only Asus is including this in its G50Vts, since MSI is doing so in its GT627.

Asus G50Vt: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=5&l2=74&l3=762&l4=0&model=2543&modelmenu=2
MSI GT627: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=271&prod_no=1670

If anyone knows of other notebooks including it, add along! Hope it helps

 

now in 17" form factor =)

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9087882&type=product&id=1218018675782

edit: dont' know y they didn't use the 9800m gts if it was heat/size being a previous issue

 

I don't want to rain on anyone's party, but the specifications listed in Best Buy's webpage say it holds the "9700M GS" GPU. Could be a typo, too. Just to give a heads up.
And yes, one could imagine that a bigger form factor would allow an improved cooling system (and in turn make stronger GPUs available). Maybe other reasons pushed this decision to where it stands...

 

My bad didn't even notice 9700m GS, but really i can't imagine downgrading the gpu for a larger notebook...

 

I keep hearing different things about this card some say it slightly better then the 9600 GT GDDR 3 same say its a lot worse. Anyone have any benchmark figures on this card???

Thanks

Dave

 

I don't see +50Mhz on the Core and +75Mhz on the Shaders making the DDR2 card > the DDR3 9600.

I have no benchmarks for you, though I will say that the gigabyte of video memory is not a factor in the comparison.

 

This post was the best I could find comparing the two.

forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=288459

 

Hey, I was planning to get a laptop, either the Asus G1s or the Asus F8VA, I'm more concerned for how each plays for the games. So i was reading up on the graphics card, Here is where i got confused. On the GPU guide, the ATI Radeon HD 3650 w/ 1024mb is better then the 8600m GT DDR3. but when searching the forums on the HD 3650, A lot of people say the 8600m GT DDR3 is better and the HD 3650 is comparable to the HD 2600, which is pretty low. So can any of you help me out? What is better for gaming? Is the guide right or the other forum vets?

 

With most cards when multiple versions are offered DDR2/GDDR3 you read the faster GDDR3 speeds. The speeds are lower on the DDR2 versions and that is what accounts for the performance difference. I think?

 

It's debatable which one is better. The fact is that anyone who owns one or the other will think that one is better.

Both are similar in performance, some games will perform better on the 8600, namely games with the "TWIMTBP" logo see HERE Also keep in mind that just because it's on this list here doesn't neccisarily mean it will perform better on the 8600mGT, but it's optimized for nVidia cards.

Some others will perform slightly better on the HD 3650. From my experiences, the 8600 cards perform better on a wide range of games, so it gets my reccomendation.

 

GDDR2\GDDR3 only affects what speed the memory clock runs at, and it's generally accepted that GDDR3 cards overclock better.

It shouldn't make a world of difference to actual gameplay but GDDR2 is pretty darn old with GDDR3\4\5 present in most gaming cards atm.

 

Oh i c, The only thing i'm worried about is the widespread failing Nvidia cards, cuz i will be buying a used one as it will fit my budget

 

This widespread failure.... where is it? It isn't showing up on Notebookreview.com

 

Wasn't it in the news? A lot of faulty Cards were installed?

 

Oh yes, it was absolutely reported that there is a lot of failing Nvidia mobile cards out there; I just don't see sufficient number to back up that report. I firmly believe that, if the issue was truly widespread, there would be a lot more posts on this forum complainng about it, across all notebook manufacturers.

 

I c, so you would recommend the 8600m GT?

 

I agree that there don't seem to be an inordinate amount of NBR users reporting nVIDIA card failures. But I'm not so sure that more and more won't appear over the next year or two.

nVIDIA has reserved $196 million (the last time I heard, before failures appeared in some MacBooks) to cover the replacement of existing and future units that fail. The ONLY reason a company would voluntarily make such a drastic financial move is because they're expecting MASSIVE failures!

If I'm not mistaken, the failures occur after repeated cycling of the GPU (heavy gaming use, then quickly cooling, then heating again, over and over). The average failure point could be 12 months of average use, 18 months or even 24 months.

 

Um, no, in my opinion it's time to be looking for something that holds the 9600m GT. What are the prices on the two notebooks you're interested in buying?

Hmm, did Nvidia ever release specific dates for when it may have started manufacturing and shipping the cards that are believed to be failure prone? It'd be convenient, so we could project dates marking the first, second, and third years after their manufacture.

 

Im buying them used, (with 1 year left on warranty), the G1s and the F8VA is being offered $800-950, I know the dv5t has the 9600m GT, and sellling at a good price within my price range. However, its being offered in the US and I can't find any dv5t in Canada so far , I am looking for something with at most 15.4 inch screen

 

Just so you rocket men understand? DDR2 and GDDR3 are very different. GDDR3 does not follow the JEDEC standard. The GPU's that have DDR2 are using the same RAM as say your system uses? What does that matter? Not much if the same speed. But it is not not the same. DDR2 does not achieve the same speeds as GDDR3. Anyway done explaining the obvious!

 

9700m GTS or the 8800m GTS. The 9700m GTS score higher benchmarks but I think the 8800m GTS will perform better in games like crysis due to the amount of pipelines

 

Sounds like you've somewhat summed up the situation, but I'll roll with the 9700. It's newer, clocked higher, and the difference in pipes doesn't present a very wide gap.

 

I can run crysis on high with this card right.... and still get about 25 FPS?
Thanks for your help. I will most likely overclock the card.

 

Give the drivers a little more time (As much as the 8800 series had to mature), and it'll turn out better.