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Get the 9650GT if these 2 laptops are the only ones available to you.

 

Hey I want to try to get the same pc and at the same price. Could you tell me how you got the cashback?

 

hi guys, im about to buy a laptop but cant decide.... because of the vga.

basically hd3650-512mb vs gef9600m-gs-512mb. Reading the topic I get the impression hd3650 is actually faster. Now thats a surprise to me..

 

It depends on the memory type of each card. ATI's HD3650 GDDR3 is equivalent to Nvidia's 8600M GT DDR3 which is in turn more or less equivalent in performance to a 9600M GT GDDR2(which should be slightly better than a 9600M GS but more or less they're the same card, but the GT is clocked higher). So it depends a bit.

They should be similar in performance though. The gap won't be huge IMO.

May I ask why this surprises you though?

 

well, this is going to be my first laptop ever, i was a pc guy until now, and well, the 9600gt is a fantastic card, and the 9600gso is also extremely good(basically it provides the performance of a 8800gts).

HD 3850 is actually slower than the 9600gso...... so i'm a bit surprised that the notebook version of 9600 is that much weaker.

I'll try to find out the memory type. Thanks for the reply.

 

Don't use desktop GPUs to base your decision for notebook GPUs. Performance is usually pretty different.

 

yeah, thank god i found this forum
anyway I found out: both vga's are DDR2.

So 3650-512DDR2 vs 9600GS-512DDR2. Which one? I mainly play Source engine based games.

 

Is Source optimized for ATI or nVidia? Have you checked out reviews of desktop cards? I would think the M HD 3650 would beat the 9600M GS by a small margin as with the same memory type: 9600M GT > M HD 3650 > 9600M GS > 8600M GT. It wouldn't be too substantial though.

 

Source game are optimised for ATI cards so seeing as the 9600m GS and the HD3650 are about equal in performance the 3650 would be the better choice for source games.
what are the specs of the two systems in question?

 

well, I think I'm going to go with the 9600M-GS, even if the HD 3650 is a bit better. Both laptops are Acers(5630G vs 6930G). The 6930G has better cpu(P7350 vs T5800) and comes with 1GB more RAM(2 vs 3), and has better battery life. The price difference is very little.

 

hi all, im new here. i just wondered how these GPUs would match up. plz note that i am referring to laptop video cards, not their desktop counterparts

thks

 

I'm also interested in that: ATI 3650 vs. 9600M GT, both with 512MB GDDR3 VRAM.
I understand from reading this thread that the 3650 is somehow inferior, but how much in reality? In games like Far Cry 2, Dead Space or Red Alert 3 - in numbers, 10%, 20%, 30% or more?

And how will the 3650 with 512 MB GDDR3 VRAM perform compared to a 9650M GT with 1024 GDDR2 VRAM? Will the 9650 be faster, or does the DDR2/DDR3 issue even that?

A final question of mine am I right when I think that minor CPU differences won't matter at all when gaming with the above mentioned GPU's? Specifically it would be the Intel T9400 (2,53 GHz) which would be in the ATI 3650 config versus the P8400 (2,26 GHz), which would be in the 9600M GT config. Will the CPUs in this case be not relevant at all or might the faster T9400 push the 3650 a bit?

Thanks a lot for replies.

 

The amount of VRAM really doesn't matter in this case becasue both the HD3650 and the 9650M GT are 128bit bus, which means they can only utilize 256mb of VRAM anyways(the extra amount is just a gimmick >.>).

As for which would be better, I believe the HD3650 GDDR3 should best the GDDR2 9650M GT by perhaps 15%(I remember someone saying their 3dmark scores were in the 750 or so range difference).

Both of them GDDR3 though, the 9650M GT wins, although I'm not sure by how much >.>

Oh and to answer your final question, the CPU rarely comes into play for games. You can count the amount of games that even remotely stress the CPU that much on your fingers(ok not really but still lol ). In all reality, a 2.0GHz should be fine for most gaming so 2.26GHz or 2.53GHz won't really yield any significant advantage gaming wise(unless you play those CPU stressing games). The strength of the CPU also doesn't affect the GPU so the performance of the GPU should be the same regardless of the CPU.

 

thx for the reply forever_melody!

thing is, I try to decide between a Sony Vaio FW and a Sony Vaio AW. The FW has the 3650 DDR3, the AW has a 9600M GT DDR3 (no better options on both available ).
Why I asked about the 9650M GT DDR2 is that I had a notebook with it for a few days (Asus L50Vn) which I then sent back due to some high-pitched noise issues. So I already know what a 9650M GT DDR2 is exactly capable of (quite ok, I was able to play all of the games I mentioned on medium settings at its native res of 1680x1050), thus I have a base to compare the 3650/9600 with DDR3 to.
The fact that the 3650 DDR3 beats the 9650 DDR2 makes me quite happy

 

Well the difference won't be huge. Both are roughly equivalent since a HD3650 is comparable to Nvidia's 8600M GT and 9600M GT while the 9650M GT is only a higher clocked 9600M GT, so there shouldn't be that big a difference.

If you want a better graphics card, you might want to check out other brands or such since Sony Vaios are quite pricey so if you want a better price/performance ratio, you could go with other companies.

 

Thanks for the detailed infos, I know I could get more power for my money, but I'm totally convinced of the Vaio build quality, the case, keyboard and screen are just outstanding.

 

What's better and have better performance in games, especially or just WoW:
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 vs ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3200 onboard?

 

They are almost exactly the same, just pick whichever one suits you best:
3200 - better battery life, should perform better in newer games based on 3dmark06
2400 - if OC'ed, should perform better since you can OC both the core and the memory

 

Wondering if a 3450HD desktop verison 256mb would be better than the 8600m GT in my inspiron 1520

 

Notyou is correct - they have the same performance. Get whatever laptop you like better.

 

I'm new to video cards, especially in notebooks. I think this thread is great. I was looking at notebookcheck for benchmarks with ATI 3650 and I noticed that there was no benchmark for Crysis. Anyone know performance on medium settings with this card. Also, why is the performance of FEAR on max so poor? Cards like geforce 9600m GT and even the 8600M GS get much higher FPS. I'm trying to decide on a notebook for mild/moderate gaming and was going to buy the Lenovo T500 with the 3650 but now I'm having doubts. I don't want a laptop that's 17inches though. 14-15in is the max because they're still somewhat portable.

 

Well I cannot comment on Crysis' performance, but I can somewhat explain notebookcheck's benchmarks.

If you open the "more details" tab next to the benchmark, you'll see the info on the computers which were used to benchmark the card. I took the 8600M GT you talked about and the HD3650 and looked those tabs.

Now here is what I saw...

All of the notebooks used to benchmark the HD3650 were GDDR2, while some of the notebooks used to benchmark the 8600M GT were GDDR3. GDDR2 and GDDR3 make a difference in a GPU's performance and therefore it explains the difference in FPS. You can already notice by comparing the GDDR2 and GDDR3 benchmarks on the same card(ex: check those on the 8600M GT, the FPS increase in a significant way up to 10 FPS more).

If you look at the notebooks with GDDR2 on the 8600M GT, you'll see the FPS is similar to the benchmarks for the HD3650.

The HD3650 for all intensive purposes is equivalent to Nvidia's 8600M GT(and perhaps comparable to the 9600M GT GDDR2 if the HD3650 is GDDR3)

 

Thanks Forever_Melody, that explanation makes perfect sense and was very helpful.

 

which is better? what is after the 3650?

 

of coz the 9650.
4650 will probably be ATI's next card. But it ain't out yet.

 

9650 is better, but it is still in the same class, dont expect to be much better 15%-20% better I would think

depends on which version of 3650 you are considering. Gddr2 vs Gddr3

 

Which is better Intel X3100, Ati HD 3200, Ati X1270 ?

 

i am a proud 9650M GT user. the card rocks. rocks big time. We ASUS N80 users are so lucky and proud. The baby plays Fallout 3 an assassin's creed at the highest settings and kicks ***! Love it..

 

Ati Hd 3200

 

HD3200 is the most powerful of the group when in comes to 3D performance.

 

the HD 3200 is a lot better than the other two.

 

HD 3200 night and day! X3100... lol your processor can probably 3D render just as fast.

 

What games i can play with Ati HD 3200? I can play Fifa 09?

 

Yes, probably at medium settings.

You'll play alot of newer games at lower settings with that card.

 

i'm trying to decide between 2 laptops and one has a 9800GS and the other one has a 9800GTS video card. im trying to find out which one is better and what the difference is Thanks for your answers

 

This is slightly out of date... The big list doesn't even have 9800GT, and 15" has 9800GS

And Miste3331, your thread got merged, and the answer is this:

9800GTS is better than 9800GS

 

it does have 9800M GT and 9800M GT SLI.

15.4" still has 9800M GT as the fastest. then GTS then GS.

 

Ok here is my delama, I have an option for 2 different laptops.

1. Hp HDX 16" with Nvidia 9600MGt, how does this one compare to the last 8 series? Which one is it similar too? I like this one because I can find it for sale and it is small.

2. HP HDX dragon 20.1" 8800GTS, I actually cannot find this and the size is just too much for me to take around the airport when I travel over seas, but if the 9600M GT is to weak compared to the 8800GTS, then I would try to buy this model.

 

Read it again. I said The Big List(or Chart)

<del>No doubt, I'm just saying it can at least include Asus G50vt under "15inch High-end", with its 9800GS</del>

Nevermind, it only displays the top of each section. I understand now.

 

Noticed a discrepancy: In the long master list, the 8600M GS is listed as being faster than the Go 7600GT even though in the Performance Class list it's the other way around. The master list is also missing the 9800 series cards.

 

afaik the hp hdx's 9600m gt comes with ddr2 ram only, which makes it considerably slower.

 

The 9800m GS is set at slightly lower clocks than the 9800m GTS... in all other ways it is the same card. Likely it is just downclocked to account for the smaller 15" chassis the 9800m GS is placed in... but to be quite frank, this means it isn't undergoing factory testing and QA at GTS speeds either.

You CAN set the ASUS 9800m GS to the same clocks as the GTS but it heats up into the mid 80s and crashes out of 3dmark06... in games like fallout3, it works fine OC'd to those speeds but stays in the mid-high 80s.

Expect the GTS to outperform the GS by 10% or so.

Honestly, the GTS is better, but not by much.

 

i have dell inspiron e1705 with ati x1400 graphic card. my friend has also dell with nvidia 8600m gt with 256mb ram. i asked him to swap our cards i pay him a little. Now how much that litle $ should be and how much better i his card???

 

8600m GT > x1400.

 

Not possible, unless you are great with hacking the bios (this is assuming it will even fit).

 

I don't think you can switch the two graphics cards. But either way, 8600m GT far surpasses ATI x1400 in terms of gaming, benchmarks, etc.

 

so can i put the 8600m on my lap top or not???

 

GTS is better, not miles better but you will notice the difference and your system will be useable for probably a good half year longer with the better card if you're buying it for the long run.

 

9650M GT ddr2 (supports dx 10) vs. HD 3650 ddr2 (supports dx 10.1)

Which runs cooler (therefore less fan noise)?
Avivo HD video engine (HD 3650) > PureVideo HD video processor (9650M GT)?
Which is more future-proof?

Overall which card is better?

 

9650m gt ddr2 is better in terms of speed/performance.
Both run equally cool though as both were made in the same 55nm manuf. process.