UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

I want to play COD4 and the new one when it comes out. The BF2 series and all bunch of old star wars games my budget is $1700 CAD what do you guys recomend?

 

So the best card in a 15in notebook is still the 9700gt? Which is the 8800GTX, but hopefully without the heating issues?

 

the best card in a 15.4" notebook is:
- 9800M GT ~ 8800M GTX (on Clevo M860TU and AW .M15x)

the second best card is:
- 9800M GTS (on Clevo M860TU)

the third best is:
- 9800M GS (on ASUS G50VT)

the fourth best is:
- 9700M GTS (on .Toshiba F55)
- Quadro FX 2700M (on certain systems like Clevo M860TU)

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

updated my post.

 

Just to clear it up, the 9800M GT is the 8800M GTX without any actual design changes if my memory serves me well. The core, shaders and everything are exactly the same and it's simply a re-branded card.

 

hi i m newbie here.

1st Qs, isit the more RAM i put is better for integrated GPU? or it wont be affect by the amount of RAM i have? (eg 2GB and 4GB)

2nd, the diff between ati3200 and ati3450 will be very much?

3rd, ati3450 temp can reach 90++, then how abt ati3200? can anyone using ati3200 tell me the temp of ur lappy?


Last, hope my Qs can be answered and thanks!

 

Welcome to the NBR Forums.

1. Windows Vista needs 2GB to run well; however it does not matter how much for the integrated GPU. You will not get better performance with more RAM. The card is too weak to take advantage of more RAM.

2. They have basically the same performance. Do not pay for an upgrade to the HD 3450.

3. See this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=269933
The answer might be in there.

For the latest games, look for an ATI HD 3650 or Nvidia 9600M-GS/GT.

 

that means 3200 and 3450 perform nearly same ? 3200 can handle DOTA well? haha....DOTA is the highest-end game that i always play!

can give specific link for the heat issue of 3200 and 3450?

thanks you so much!!!

 

DoTA is part of Warcraft 3 though and it really isn't graphic intensive since it's not full-throttle 3D so either card will not yield any performance difference in that game. If anything, your internet connection will matter just as much as your GPU in that case.

Also, the HD3200 is integrated so it'll run cooler than the HD3450. There is a performance difference, but you won't notice it for WC3.

 

Forever_Melody, thanks you so much!!!!

Oh ya, one more thing to ask u,
3200 is 32 bit while 3450 is 64 bit... will them show obviously diff?
diff in bit important ?

 

Chaz, you might want to add the 9 series cards to the big chart right?

 

Yes, it will be done sometime. Not at midnight though.

 

I checked around. I just cannot find a Clevo M860TU or a M865TU. To clarify, none with a 9800GT. All places seem to only sell it with a 9800GTS, which from what I gather is slower. So far the only company that I found that sells the 9800GT is err.. Alienware. In a 15in notebook. Not looking for something larger. And I would go to Alienware but it is exspensive and it's not fully updated at the Clevo line that supports the new Intel Turbo memory, which I heard works wonders with 4GB if you can dump the startup or program into it. Like a mini SSD.

 

the 9800M GT has been pulled by Nvidia recently... since it barely had a 3-5% overall performance difference from the GTS. Speculation might be that Nvidia is going to help increase the performance of the GT with a die-shrink and higher clocks... nothing confirmed though.

So there are only a few vendors left with the 9800M GT... you can check out the Clevo Guide for which vendors still have it.

For North America, I believe these vendors would stil have that option:
- www.eurocom.com (and their resellers).

But overall, the GTS is quite capable... and bang for the buck.

 

That's it? Only 3-5% over the 9800gts? I thought it was more.
Thanks for the site. Checking it out now. Interesting that the 9800gt is about $148 CHEAPER than the 8800gtx its supposed to have replaced.
I wish they would allow Vista 32bit business or Ultimate. They only offer 32bit in the home edition. I need the 32bit for software compatibility with some work software.

 

If you contact Eurocom directly (phone or email), they will personal do any custom changes (like OS's) with you.

.... and Eurocom will price negotiate with you if you show them the prices of that system from another vendor with the same specs.

 

Man, now you're really making me think. Are they a good company? I take it as a yes or you would've have recommended them, huh?

 

Eurocom?

Well.... Eurocom is one of the only 3 North American Clevo importer OEMs (the others being Sager and Pro-Star)...

... so I would say that they are safe to buy from.

FYI, if you read the Clevo Guide, you will know that in North America, every other vendor that are selling the Clevo notebooks... is getting their systems through one of those three listed.

 

I just finished reading your sig. I would buy from Sager (branded) but they don't have the 9800gt. I want to maximize game play from the 15in. so while 5% improvement isn't much over a 9800gts, I think if I go with the 1680x1050 or 1900x1200 screen, it could make a bigger difference as higher resolutions tend to use the GPU more to it's fullest.

Btw, would you recomend getting one of the SSDs they list, or save money for now and wait for the ssd to get cheaper?

 

SSD's are still not bang for the buck for me.

Just get at least a 320GB 5400rpm drive, it will perform as well as a 200GB 7200rpm drive..... this is because the new high capacity drive have higher density.

So it will be as fast as a previous gen 7200rpm drive, have more storage, as well as less heat.

as for resolutions, I already have a 17" WUXGA screen (1920x1200) for over 2 years now... its been great for everything and even the latest games.

but I am not sure if I would like that resolution on a smaller 15.4" screen... if your vision is good, go for it.

 

Hi Im buying a M17 with a couple of ATI HD 3870 in crossfire. I always have played with NVIDIA... so if I want to move to NVIDIA which should be a good choice? (forgetting the warranty issue)

 

is there any more news on the new ATI Mobility 48xx series?

I have seen that the MSI GT 725 is going to include the 4850, but no news on a release date, also I haven't seen anything on the 4870 or 4850x2

 

where should Intel 4500MHD 1800MB take place in this list
its filtered starting with less performance at first
thank you


Nvidia GeForce Go6600
ATI Mobility Radeon X700
Nvidia GeForce 8400M-GT
Nvidia GeForce Go7600
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
ATI Mobility Radeon X1700
ATI Mobility Radeon X2500
Nvidia GeForce Go7700
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 9500M-G
Nvidia GeForce Go7600GT
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT DDR2/Nvidia GeForce 9500M-GS DDR2 (same card)

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT GDDR3
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GT DDR2
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GT GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT/Nvidia GeForce 9650M-GS (same card)
Nvidia GeForce 9700M-GT

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Nvidia GeForce Go7800
ATI Mobility Radeon X1800
Nvidia GeForce Go7900GS
ATI Mobility Radeon X1900
Nvidia GeForce Go7800GTX
ATI Mobility Radeon X1800XT
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce Go7900GTX
Nvidia GeForce Go7950GTX
Nvidia GeForce 9700M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTS
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870
Nvidia GeForce Go7950GTX SLI
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTX = Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GT
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTX
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTX SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GT SLI

 

Right at the very top. It's not a very strong card.

 

lol thank you

 

its the weakest in current systems... unless if you count the previous Intel GMA 900 and 950.

 

Title explains it. THXS for your time.

 

Same performance, 9600m GT likely not faulty 8600m GT faulty

 

Negligible performance difference. But the 9600GT probably doesn't have the possible overheating problem that was troubling the 8xxx series.

 

Ok so I am going with the HP HDX. ANd with this computer can I play COD4, COD5, Bf2, Possibly BF3 at medium to high settings?

 

Are you looking at the HP HDX 16t Premium series or the HP HDX 18t Premium series, cuz theres a big diff in cpu power between them. I'm guessing since the 9600m GT is a less buggy version of the 8600m GT, which i have, then yes you can run COD4 and COD5 at medium to high settings which i'm currently playing them at.

 

There is little actual performance difference between the 8600M GT GDDR3 and the 9600MGT GDDR2. The 9600M GT will be slightly better, but it's negligible. The main advantage is that the 9600M GT is more efficient and runs cooler than the 8600M GT, but the actual performance is similar.

And the 9600M GT should be able to run all those games at medium at least without much trouble.

 

The HD4500 is probably the weakest GPU from the current generation. Even other IGPs such as Nvidia's 8200M, ATI's HD3200 or Nvidia's 9400M GS are more powerful by a significant margin.

If you're asking for gaming, then the HD4500 won't be able to play anything, but really old games(3-4+ years old). If not, then the HD4500 will be fine for all other purposes such as HD videos, HD decoding, and every day uses.

 

Although Intel graphics has made some improvements, it is still far inferior even to the lowest dedicated card out there. If your list was to show all graphic cards it would be pages before you see it on top.


How is 7950gtx sli better than 9800m gts? Even with 2 cards it still doesn't come close to 9800m gts.

 

rofl talk about renaming...i thought it was a super duper card

 

yeah lol. it doesn't even do it justice to put it at the beginning of the list. it goes way back before the beginning. add in a bunch of weaker cards first, THEN the x4500.

 

The only things lower than the HD4500 are Intel's previous generation IGPs lol

Intel isn't really strong in the graphics department, that's why they usually just get whatever Nvidia makes lol XD

 

if two video cards have indentical specs except one has ddr3 memory and the other has ddr2 would their performance be the same?

what if they were indentical except one was 256 bit and the other had 128 would their performance be the same?

also how much difference does a processor's front side bus & cache really make? both in game fps and in general

how much difference does overclocking make on a c2d really make say from 2to 2.4ghz in games fps and in general?

 

The GDDR3 card will perform better due to higher memory bandwidth. It will also overclock better due to this fact. The difference, while noticeable, will not be the hugest thing in the world either. Somewhere probably along the line of 10-20%.

Do you mean bit bus interface or VRAM? As far as I know, there are few cards with actual different bit bus interfaces, but in a nutshell, it would perform better if it had a higher bit bus since it allows the GPU to address more VRAM.

Ex: a 128bit bus interface can only address 256mb of VRAM while a 256bit bus interface can address a full 512mb.

It depends on the game. Mostly RTS games are more CPU dependent in which case the FPS will vary depending on how much stuff is on the map.

As for the 2GHz to 2.4GHz, the difference in terms of overall gaming will probably not be that noticeable. Maybe between 1-10FPS if you're lucky. CPU doesn't normally increase FPS that much, it mostly reduces lag in terms of processing time, while FPS decrease we usually talk about a decrease in graphics processing, not actual data.

 

what about the fsb & cache ?
like 667 fsb to 800? 1000? how much does it rly affect speed?
or 2mb cache to 3? 4?

 

The HD 4870 desktop card gets away with 256 bit memory because it's GDDR5, so it ends up with more memory bandwidth than the GTX 260 for example which has 448 bit GDDR3. So it's not quite simple.

 

Well that depends on your definition of "speed". CPU doesn't affect overall computer speed as much as people would think. HDD is probably the biggest thing which affects a computer's "speed" because that's where all the data and programs load from so a faster HDD = faster computer performance.

In terms of gaming, it probably won't be much unless you play RTS games such as Warcraft 3, Supreme Commander or the like.

The jump from 667 to 800 and 800 to 1000 IMO is more or less significant. It'll be noticeable, but it won't go "wow it's twice as fast!"

A CPU's power will really only be noticeable if you manage to get it to near 100% load. That means if you're having lots of data to process, THEN the CPU's power will be noticeable. Say you run an application which needs to loop a set of calculations 500 000 times, then the CPU's strengths will come into play and the lb cache and all that will really shine.

For gaming though, only one type of game really does utilize CPU that much(as I've said it's RTS). Lb cache allows for more data streaming, but if there isn't much to stream in the first place, you won't notice it much.

 

I don't game but I do run folding@home it is now able to use the gpu to perform calculations. I would like to know which cards can be programed to use less power when the laptop is running on battery.

 

So what is the diffrence. I have heard that the 9800 runs cooler and has like a 10% boost in performance.

This is to help re inforce my decision to get my 7811fx laptop.

 

In 3dmark06, you will see about 1.5-2k more. In terms of game performance it is closer to 10%. Depending on the age, some 9800m GTS were built on the 55nm process, which yes would make them cooler running and use less power.

 

From what I read, the 8800 is based on G92 (desktop 8800 gs), the 9800 based on G94 (desktop 9600 gt). Newer architecure is always better right? Yes, but unfortunately it doesn't make a great deal of difference. The 9800 is faster, 500 to 600 core and 1250 to 1500 shaders, but same shader count, which would make an obvious difference. 8800 GTS to 9800 GTS is less of a difference than to an 8800 GTX - don't waste your money!

 

same thing, just upped clocks, dont waste more money on the 7811, if they are close go for the 7811 obv.

 

last years fx was only 700 on tigerdirect yesterday

 

what do you mean for "last year fx was 700"??

However 9800M GTS is higher clocked (due to 55nm) and it has 1000MB of vram against 512Mb of 8800M GTS