UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

Try checking the NVIDIA website or NotebookCheck, which have a quite good list of all GPUs available

 

but if the laptop screen size is 17.3"??will games like L4d2,batman, or those high-end ones run well in GTX 260M or ATI 4650,which is the better one??

 

The GTX260M is better due to the 256bit bus vs the 128bit bus of the 4650HD, considering both use same GDR3 VRAM.

It depends on what resolution you are playing, the settings you are using and what you consider as "well".

 

"Well" is irrelevant here. 260M is just better, faster, stronger than 4650 . On any screen, with any CPU, memory or HDD.

 

I agree to some extent.

But the 4650HD could bear better results on WXGA than the GTX260M on WUXGA if the first has a SSD and the second has a 5400RPM...

 

Note that not all 4650's are the same. Compal has them clocked at 600/800 while Sony & HP have them clocked at 450/600...

GTX 260M no contest.

As for the SSD, you could always upgrade the 260M machine to SSD down the line and it would be much faster.

They're in two different leagues. (upper and midrange)

 

Yes, but the point I was trying to explain is that the GPU alone is not the only factor.

I completely understand that the GTX260M is a lot more powerful than the 4650HD, but that is not the sole factor.

 

alrite many thnx.....i been looking around in Asus laptops,aiming these 2 which have GTX 260M,
Asus G51J-A1
Asus G72GX-A1
but both have different processors,i not too sure which is the best choice...
which one should i get for gaming,entertainment,video editing, etc.....??
cheers

 

In raw processing power, the i7 is stronger than the C2D or C2Q generally. But what games?

In some cases the difference could be very small and if the i7 is more expensive could not worth it in SOME cases.

Have you tried the "What Notebook Should I buy?" Forum?

 

How should a i7 820XM and 4670 hold up at 1920x1080? I just bought a Dell Studio XPS with the RGBLED screen and was just curious. I got the system for photoshop and general usage.

I saw a youtube video review of someone playing Crysis and CoD MW2 with little to no lag max settings (Crysis had shaders on Gamer) on this same setup but was wanting input from people who honestly know.

 

First of all, this is really really really really awesome forum site to ask very "techie" questions, and people are very very very helpful and KNOWLEDGEABLE, kinda hard to find nowadays. lol.


Okay here's my questin and something I dont get it and understand and confuses me... I'm currently on Gateway P-7805u but i'm thinking of upgrading to HP dv8t with i7, obviously, the processor in HP is way better but.......

But, my dilemma is with the video card...

HP DV8T: 1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 230M
Gateway: 1GB Nvidia GeForce 9800M GTS

I'm really weirded out here... according to www.notebookcheck.net the 9800M of my Gateway P-7805u is way BETTER than the HP's DV8T video card GT 230M.

BUT, windows WEI (windows experience index(?)) states:
HP - GT 230M: 6.4
Gateway - 9800M GTS: 5.9

NotebookReview.net's article/rating:
HP - GT 230M: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-230M.17646.0.html
Gateway - 9800M GTS: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9800M-GTS.9918.0.html

What's the truth here?! Should I get the HP anyway? I am really doing some hard core gaming with hard core graphics and its only the video card that's my concern. please help me guys.

 

A vote here for 9800M GTS unless the processor can overcome the GT 230M's deficiency.

 

Don't trust WEI as a benchmark. In any case, the 9800m GTS will beat the 230m silly.

 

is that possible?

 

yeah, that's what i thought, so WEI is not a good basis??? hmmm... that's sad to know.

 

If you only want it for gaming then the 9800m gts is the way to go. Not only does it have 64 cores versus 48 but it also has a 256-bit memory interface versus the 128-bit in the 230m. The 230m may be more optimized and with that processor may bench better in some synthetic benches and some old games that are cpu bottlenecked but the 9800m gts is the still the best card for gpu intensive games.

Plus I have the 8800m gts (slightly slower than your card) and it gets a 6.7 score in Win 7 but used to get a 5.9 in Vista so I think those WEI scores you comparing are from Vista for the 9800m gts where the max was 5.9 versus Win 7 for the 230m which allows for a higher rating.

 

Yep, WEI is crap. My 3650 gets a 6.1 in gaming graphics, when in reality, any 9800M series GPU is going to slap it silly.

 

oh wow... thanks a bunch fellas.

one quick question, kinda off topic but i wanna ask anyway, so i dont open a new thread.

does a COLDER processor (with better thermal compound on it connected to heat sink) will perform better? how bout GPU? coz the reason i asked coz i dont get the point about some post in this forum where the guy just disassembled everything in his P7805u just to replace the original thermal compound on his processor and gpu.. i dont get it, why would he do that? what's the advantage of doing it?

 

It will only perform better if the heat generated through usage is causing the processor to downclock.

People apply thermal compounds for this reason, but also:

1. The notebook is uncomfortably hot - whilst this may not impact performance, it is just a comfort factor
2. To extend the life of the notebook - reducing temperatures may extend the life of the notebook if it is heating up too much. Hit's really the hot/cold cycles that do the most damage.

In a good proportion of cases, it is purely because the user can apply the thermal compound that they do.

 

Not necessarily. Only when it gets to about 90C give or take depending on it's preset tolerence, when a GPU and CPU throttles itself, is when you'll see a decrease.

 

nice ... just so nice. i'm so happy this forum exist and knowledgeable people like you folks exists, making me humble and realize someone else is better than me, or else i'de feel i'm the most knowledgeable person on earth re computers. lol

 

Nobody knows everything, but through this community we can all hope to learn more and more as each day passes

 

i guess you're right. im thinking of my next question to ask here actually as i'm typing this... you see, its 3:05am and still thinking about question to post. hehe

 

When I came here, I felt the same way.

 

And now you say "Lol Wut" in Russian.

I think that's Russian.

 

Yes sir, it is.

Mikhail Gorbachev

 

1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 230M vs 1GB Nvidia GeForce 9800M GTS - However they are NOT DirectX 11. A graphics card is for life not just for Christmas

Bring on the new ATI 5970 (yes Nine) - Hot n Fast - DirectX 11

 

Looking at the OP, in the Performance Gaming section is a list of GPUs and the section finishes with the sentence "A true high-end card has a 256-bit bus."

I was just thinking this is not really true anymore with GDDR5 coming soon. A part on the new process(40nm TSMC) with a 128bit bus can likely outcompete many (maybe most) of the older 256bit parts. Nvidia has a 128bit GDDR5 part in the GTS250m/GTS260m, ATI in the 5xxx series of cards.

A better sentence might read: "A true high end card has a high memory bandwidth, this can be achieved by a wide memory bus(ie 256bit) or a high speed memory type(ie GDDR5)."

Finally does anyone know of list of GPUs and the notebooks that contain them? I have been trying to build my own but it is a slow process.

 

i think we just moved on, top end cards have 256bit bus+ gddr5 now. and 128bit gddr5 is the new mid-range, 256bit gddr3 is getting phased out.

 

The point i was trying to make is that GDDR5 and DDR3 have quite large performances deltas, if you just specify the bit width that does not give remotely the true picture. Its a shortcut that used to work but doesnt apply anymore. The measure you want is the memory bandwidth.

I dont think there will be any 256bit GDDR5 parts for notebooks, ATI is not putting out a mobile version of their 256 bit part and Nvidia's new high end part is way too big for notebooks(bigger than 55nm GT200 chip which never had a mobile form).

Am thinking new 256 bit parts might be history, at least for 2010..and by early 2011 intels Sandy Bridge and AMD's Fusion will arrive...if the latest leaked Clarkdale/Arrandale performance figures are anyway close to accurate discrete graphics parts look like becoming rarer and rarer.

 

I don't think we should re-write half the guidelines every time we change standard. Memory bandwidth is indeed the thing which we are comparing at the end of the day by talking about bus width and memory interface therefore I agree that it'd be simpler and more accurate to simply say it like that.

 

Source?

I mean notebookcheck states that the 5870 will have a 256bit bus, although I know the site is not always accurate. http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5870.23073.0.html

I actually agree that the sentence should be changed. However, I now am interested in whether there would be a 256bit GDDR5 discrete GPU in any of the forthcoming lineups from Nvidia or ATi.

 

From July: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1385125

Basically Broadway replaces 4830/4860, Madison 46xx and Park the 43xx/45xx.

That contradicts the link above. Also from a logical point of view seems suspect: the 4870 desktop part consumed ~150W the 5870 ~190W, for mobile not really allowed to go above 60W the chip used in the 5870 is just too big and power hungry when active.

Not from ATI, Nvidia has a GDDR5 384bit part that is just too big for mobile. Nvidia are a fair way off for their Fermi derivative parts(4 chips) very unlikely to see them before late Q3 or Q4. Some rumors these parts have been designed for TSMC 32/28nm, if that's true likely wont see them till 2011.

256bit GDDR5 can feed so much data to the core > 100Gb/s that need a very large number of shaders to make use of it all. The large number of shaders drives the power required above the limits of what notebooks can deal with(ie battery drain/overheating)

 

Cool, I did think notebookcheck was a little dodgy in that respect - but I couldn't find much else on the subject anywhere else though.

 

thanks for the graphic card list
its actually very usefull for me..
but i got some question..
what is actually the different between 9800M GS with GT or GTX

 

Thanks for a great guide. I myself don't know much about current gaming/media mobile cards, but have been researching about workstation cards.

Cheers.

 

hi !
i have been hunting and hunting around for mxm graphics for a few months now trying to sort out what might work to what performs best to value for cash, and i have found a few cards that i can get my hands on relatively easily. I was wondering if anybody can post up 3dmark scores for these cards or show me in the right direction for a good comparison between them. I will not be overclocking really so overclockabilty is not really one of the subjects on my mind i more want to compare when stock. Also if anyone knows themselves which they know (or believe) is better then that would be good for me aswell.
cheers!

 

well the best 2 uprgades would be HD4650 DDR2 or 9600M GT GDDR3... if ur laptop supports the MXM type... i would personally get the 9600GT GDDR3 and OC it... it should beat the 4650 then....or u can hold out and wait for newer MXM cards or ATi 5000 series MXM cards...

 

so you wouldnt recommend the hd4570 then...? what's the diff between the 9600M gt and the hd4570?

 

9600M GT is significantly faster

 

haha fair enuf, well i've just slammed my head into info until i understood overlclocking, and i've just managed to get my crappy HD2400 xt up by about 8% so i think i might go for this overclocking biz.
9600M GT it is then! i know it has a few probs with compatibility tho, we shall have to see

 

The 4650 will be fairly close to the 9600M GT. If you can get a 4650 with GDDR3, then that would certainly be better than the 9600M GT.

And the 4570 is actually quite a capable card, a GDDR3 4570 will out perform a DDR2 9600M GT.

The VRAM on these cards makes no difference between 1GB and 512MB. These cards won't be powerful enough to drive the games at the resolution and settings that would require any more than 512MB.

4570 will be pretty much crippled at resolutions 1440 x 900 and upwards, as it only has a 64 bit bus, and therefore not very much bandwith. The GDDR3 memory partly makes up for this though.

 

cheers! trouble is i havn't been able to find anywhere to get a gddr3 4650...

 

well then , get a MXM 9600M GT... u can also find one in the notebookreview.com forum which is here..

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=442567

this thread hopefull has the right MXM version 9600M GT...

 

ye i saw that, but i have seen one for sale that has the subvendor as acer which has a different vbios so i think i may try and go for that to try and eliminate as many compatibility probs as possible... cheers tho

 

Hey guys I got a Asus N10J, Its got a 9300 video card.. it has a switch on the side to go from onboard graphics to 9300.. I switched it to On. I go on to Youtube but HD videos are all skippy, and not playing fluently like they did on my other laptop (ati x1650). This video card is capable of playing HD right.. it plays Call of Duty 4 pretty damn well.. I went to device manager and updated the card to the newest that it could find. Wanna help me out guys?

 

Download Adobe Flashplayer 10.1 if you want to run Youtube vids using your 9300....otherwise it's going to run using your Atom.

 

The Asus N10J actually has a Pentium Dual Core.

But update your flash.

 

ASUS N10J was the 10" Atom N270 Netbook with a discrete GPU.

http://www.notebookreview.com/price/product.asp?pid=231934&productFamilyID=1264

 

Right. My mistake, I learned that in the other topic.