Under what circumstances will i7-3610QM bottleneck a 7970m?

This is what I am on about on other threads about getting old tech. ULV cpu's nearly keep up with 920xm i7 dual cores are level on most tasks.

675m is like old tech as well.

Also one more point 920xm laptops take around 40-50w on idle as it is basically desktop power consumption in a laptop with slight undervolt and slower clocks.

My view is why get a 7970m for such old hardware. Its quite funny the intel i7 45nm version was worse then the 45nm core 2 quad performance per watt. qx9300 beats the 920xm on benchmarks and probably takes 10-20w less. Like I said on previous threads 675m very inefficient fermi card most power hungry single gpu card ever released as it is a 580m. 920xm one of the most power hungry cpu except maybe when desktop p4's were being put in laptops. The 45nm i7 were like intel selling pentium 4's when pentium m were out.

 

What ulv can keep up with an OCed 920xm?

 

Like you just oced lol. To make it fair 4 ulv cpu's should take similar power consumption to an oced 920xm.

This 17w ulv with igpu included beats a 920xm by 7% on pcmarkvantage and this ain't the top end ulv lol.
Intel Core i7 3517U Notebook Processor - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Anyway for me latest tech are amazing. Its crazy you could get a 90w system these days that would beat 200w systems 3 years ago.

 

your point???? does it matter? The amount of energy wasted is minuscule compared to the cost of buying a new one. you can run the 920xm OC to 4GHz for a mere 50 cents a day if you run it on full load 24 hours a day. But the only people who do that are people like me who run F@H so he would only run 10-30cents a day tops. pointless to spend another thousands dollars

true but again not worth buying a whole system when he has an XM chip. it is wasteful when you can just upgrade a graphics card...

also that ULV on load is far more then 17w. The TDP is not an accurate rating when it comes to power consumption. You need to read up on what TDP really means and how it really plays out to power comsumption. Many i7 chips say 45w TDP but on load they use 65-75ws. Also the 920xm can hold its own against a 3610qm when overclocked and maybe even beat it.(i am almost sure it is actually faster when running at 4GHz on all 4 cores

will post screen shot once imageshack comes back...you are crazy...it clearly shows the 920xm is close to the 3610 and if you overclock the 920xm it can clearly beat the 3610. Granted it may use 3x the juice but not worth while to buy a whole new system

 

Yeah lets OC the ULV........ Oh wait you can't. Well bang goes that theory then.

Some people care about their gaming power consumption.

Others would just like twice the performance for $500 instead of $1500.

 

also there is no 4 core ulv..that ulv is dual core

 

Yep and single threaded performance is the same as a 2820qm.

 

here we go imageshack back up

 

On pcmarkvantage the i7 17w wins.

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread late but I have just purchased a M17x with the 3610qm and a GTX 680m and it is currently in production. From most of what I have been reading it sounds like the 3610qm should be more than enough for a long while. I plan on keeping the laptop for 3-4 years at least (more than that would be great) and hope to have the option of upgrading the GPU at some point down the line.
My main use will be gaming and I like to run newer titles at the highest settings possible although I will adjust them as needed to play in 3D as I ordered the 3D Vision kit as well.
I know that the 3720 is not a huge upgrade but I am wondering if it is worth the relatively small investment compared to the total system cost to add some future proofing by way of the clock speed increase and modest overclocking ability. Do you think the 3610 would still be viable as an option to keep up with whatever GPU's we are dealing with in 3-4 years?

 

keep the 3610 the advantage of the 3720 is you can also overclock it as little but not really worth the money unless you get it super cheap. Also you cna alwyas buy an XM chip down the road. 2-3 years larger XM chips go for 200-300 bucks

 

That sounds like a good plan if the XM will be that price. I will try to push for the 3720 still but won't pay full price for it. Cheers

 

Sorry to resurrect this thread again, there won't be any chips faster than 3920xm getting released will there as Ivy Bridge is a dead end socket no? In that case is the 3920xm going to overclock much more than the 3720 without special cooling? Just wondering how much of a real performance difference you would see between them. I would rather fight to get a 3720 now for 150 (or less hopefully) that will be included in my warranty than pay 200-300 down the line if the performance won't be much different.

 

it can run as high as you can with in cooling means. I have no idea how good the m17x off my head but i am sure you could squeeze in 80TDP total which is a good bit of room for overclock. Can't make any educated guesses sorry. Also you cna always find ways to better cool them. I got an XM ship running decently at 80-85TDP in a laptop that is notorious for the worse cooling ever made. I have the R4 but never played with it since i am selling it now.

 

The i7-3940XM is on the way.

 

Already a new update on Ivy bridge? Wow that was fast

 

yea...really fast lol
what are the specs of the XM chips and how far can they overclock?

 

So what will the 3940XM do bump it 100MHz? Will it be replacing the 3920XM?

 

Most likely a small frequency bump at the same voltage (part of the manufacturing process maturing). It will replace the 3920xm just as the 2960xm did to the 2920xm.

OC headroom will probably be the same.

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This has happened every year, at the same pacing, since Clarksfield. It's just that the first run of Ivy was late.

If it's like Sandy Bridge, we'll see a 200MHz bump on all of the processors.

 

PassMark - Intel Core i7-3610QM @ 2.30GHz - Price performance comparison


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so does anyone know these refresh will take place? or at least when the 3940xm will be released? tbh i was hoping for a 200 mhz jump like intel did with the 2920xm-2960xm =/

 

Between Sept. and Nov., the entire IVB lineup should be out.

Also, the X series can easily be overclocked so the bump really does not matter. If you sit in a room freezer, you can go up to whatever the OS can handle . 4.5+ has been achieved many times.

 

that is my target lol. i wanna be able to run at 4.5ghz, or at the very least 4.2ghz at constant speed on all 4cores/8threads 24/7. of course with temp around 60 ish.

 

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason you want to run that fast?

 

I would like to know as well...

 

whatever delete this post too please you BIAS forum. I can not believe you guy's allow people to post BIAS ignorant posts and delete mine when i call people out on being ignorant and ruining this forum. MY BAD for trying to keep this forum non-BIAS

 

Most single threaded games run on older hardware just fine and 3.1GHz 3610QM is more than adequate. Most video encoding software is multithreaded, or if you aren't using multithreaded if you need 4.5GHz, best to invest in a decent encoding software, and F@H, I guess if you're dedicated to the cause, about only real reason I can see the need for it. Well that, or just because.

 

I think single threaded and video questions have already been answered. To add to that, if he needs that high of an OC 24/7 and is doing video encoding, then he needs a a Quadro or something else because many video encoding software take advantage of CUDA.

4.5 GHz, imo, is either because you CAN (which isn't a useless thing, some people love engines whirring, some love to see a big number in CPU-Z) or you are doing something that can be done on servers or (if you don't have access) GPGPU. I am curious as to the exceptions to that rule (I'm sure there is at least one).

 

the newer games run on all 8 threads just fine, at least it did for my borderland watching CPU meter skyrocket on the old CPU lol. also i do a lot of video audio and image editing. video encoding and movie making etc. simple stuff really, but i do it quite often, maybe spent about 4-6 hrs/day on it.

just curious and for brag rights lol, but 3.0 stock and 4.5-4.6ghz on the 3940xm would be AWESOME. or maybe i should just wait for ivy E to be released in sager's notebook and buy that instead.

 

The guy mentioned at least 4.2 ghz on *all* cores, so I don't see where single threaded perf comes into this. Faster is faster... There's plenty of uses for that (like video encoding, as mentioned).

 

Q: Under what circumstances will i7-3610QM bottleneck a 7970m?

A: Overall P benchmark scores in 3DMark11/3DMarkVantage. That is all.

 

so.. notebookcheck.pl has 3940xm release date out, oct 1st and which means probably wont be in the notebook till mid or end of october. daYUM

 

Now I want to undervolt the 3610qm ... cant find anything for it yet though

 

No access to voltage offsets so no luck there.

 

sorry to bump this old thread, but i think ask a simple question here is more suitable than adding a new topic
My friend has a m18x r1, which has a 2610qm cpu and a couple of 6970 crossfire, he intend to upgrade to monstrous 7970 crossfire
the question is will 2610qm drag them back?

 

as mentioned only single threaded older games otherwise you should be fine plus he can upgrade to an XM chip. Keep an eye out over the next year or so they should be dropping in price considerable. Than he can make his system last even longer. Also check about whether a 7970 Xfire is worth it. I think the drivers still blow so I would check that out because you could be wasting time/money. Also you could just get one card since it'll be miles faster than the crossfire with only a single card. That way you can wait for another year until next gen and buy a 7970 on the cheap or reupgrade. Your friend has a lot of options to consider. I recommend a new thread with all your details in it about your best option. If you make a new thread PM me so I can check it out. Also post it in the Alienware section for best results. BTW good chose on coming here for advice! Already made a step towards a smarter decision