Upgraded my MXM card and this happened :p

Well I used a GDDR3 nvidia 9600gt from an msi notebook and exchanged it for my hd3650 BUT at boot I got a damn message saying that the bios doesnt support the -mxm module that I should reflash the mxm rom or add the callbacks to the bios also that it will run in "balanced mode" and it remains there for 30 secs... Then I get a normal boot screen I entered to vista (vista 64 bits) and then vista installed the "standar vga driver" then I installed some nvidia 64bits drivers then I rebooted and again that MXM message...

After that I entered to windows and the resolution was ok, everything ok, even temps ok,, I even get it known by gpuz:



Ok after that I ran 3dmark06 and guess what? I got only 2800 points thats worse than my hd3650, now Im trying to overclock but its hard to find a nice oc utility for vista 64 bits also I guess that vista isnt using the "full" clocks of my 9600gt.

What can I do??????? Im still getting that stupid mxm bios message :s.

HELP PLEASE!

 

I thought the ATI 3650 > Nvidia 9600m...

edit: It looks like they're supposed to be about equal, unless your 3650 was using dd2, then it's slightly weaker than the 9600m gt.

Nvidia system tools are the best software overclocking tool for 64 bit vista.

 

Nope HD3650 = 9600GS.
Also my HD3650 is DDR2. FYI

thanks Ill try them .

 

Did you exchanged ur GPU with your notebook vendor? If yes then contact them again and ask for your specific ATI card.

 

Update: Its seems that I cant get to the Performance 3d settings using rivatuner, maybe its that damn bios thing .

Btw Its a different card from a different vendor from a different brand lol

 

I guess it's incompatibility issue. As far as I know there were cases of C90S acting the very same way. I don't know is it fixable or not though. I guess you should dig in deeper in the "C90S with 9600M GT" thread

 

Thanks!!! Argggh I really want better performance on this lappy!.

 

Yeah, me too, but 5920G can't even boot with 9600M GT in there. Waiting for HD4670

 

Lol it seems that I will not even have a chance to upgrade to the hd4670, its seems that this is more bios related .

 

Why not? As I already said, 5920G can't even POST with 9600M GT, but it can handle HD4650 DDR2 and hopefully HD4670 DDR3 I guess the evil nVIDIA has something about all of those "incompatibility" issues

 

No, it seems that the stock clock rates are fine, the nvidia bios is fine! drivers are fine! temps are fine, blu ray playback is fine, games are fine!!! damn everything is fine but the card cant get in high performance mode! .

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

Well, that is what I mean with "incompatibility" It varies from one laptop to another. Yours can boot, but can't get most of it, mine can't even post

 

Lol Ill restore everything if it cant overclock , aahh lol nice try the good thing is that I didnt pay for the 9600gt .

 

I know how to fix this... cough*buy a sager*cough

 

Yeah, it's nice that you borrowed it I don't know, but maybe fresh Windows install could do the trick.

Ahahaha, you missed the rob-a-bank part

 

Go back to NightWalker's topic on the 9600M GT for his solution on how to kick the 9600M GT out of low power 3D mode.
Might help.

EDIT: And if there's a 9600M GT vBIOS for the 9600M GT GDDR3, I'd recommend flashing that.

 

Mexicansnake run gpu-z while idle and then while playing a game. If the clocks change at all during gaming then use nibitor and change the clocks for thrtl and 3d to 500/1250/800. Nightwalkers guide seems rather overcomplicated for when he talks about using nibitor. Post back here if your clocks do change or you need help with how to flash your bios.



DO NOT USE TehSuigi's advice about using the bios in Nightwalkers guide.

I repeat do not use the bios in his guide this could severely dmg your card.

 

I did not suggest using the BIOS in his guide - I simply pointed him to the post to give him ideas, OR if there exists a Gateway vBIOS for the 9600M GT to use that.
Separate concepts, there.

 

The PCI-E bus seems to be running at 1x. That's likely the problem.

 

The speeds didnt change, yer I would rather want help for bios flashing thanks.

 

Maybe you are right, how can I change that?

I see as I read the other c90s thread I highly understand now... The card MUST get into 3dmode! urm Ill mess around for a while then but I would like to have some advices for flashing first! .

Please I need a guide of how to use nvflash.

 

Hers step-by-step on how to flash a video BIOS:

1. Unistall your old driver, restart, press F8 on splash screen and boot Windows in Safe Mode, use Driver Swiper to clean the Nvidia content, restart, instal the DOX drivers
2. Download HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool
3. Download Windows 98 system files
4. Once installed use HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool select your USB Device, check-mark "Create a DOS startup disk" and under "Using DOS system files located at:" click on the box with "...", locate the previously saved Windows 98 system files which were extracted into a folder
5. Hit Start and let the application do its job (it should take around 10min or less)
6. Once that's done download Nvflash and extract the content into the USB Key (root folder)
7. Save the two provided ROM's called NEWBIOS.ROM and OLDBIOS.ROM into the key (root folder)
8. Restart the computer
9. On splash screen press Esc, select USB as bootable device (sometimes you may need to repeat the process until it boots through the USB)
10. You should see a Windows 98 dos splash screen then the prompt
11. Type
12. It will ask you to press "Y" to proceed
13. If all is done right it will say the flash was sucessful so you press Ctrl + Alt + Del and the computer will restart
14. Done

List of downloads:
DOX 182.05: http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...howtopic=23114
Driver Sweeper: http://phyxion.net/Driver-Sweeper/View-category
HP Boot Utility: http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=197
NiBiToR: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/V...S-Editor.shtml
nvflash: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/V.../nVFlash.shtml


PS. I suggest you don't flash a BIOS that's not compatible with your system.

 

Thank you! Ill try my luck .

 

Looks like you have the same card I do in my msi 1651. The pcie is not running at 1x, thats just how it shows in gpu-z, mine does the same thing. Try using step 5 in nightwalkers guide or if you want since we have the same graphics card I can make a copy of my vbios and edit it for you.

I think as a last resort though you could just edit the 2d mode to extra mode clocks and voltage. Your laptop will always run a little on the warm side, but it won't go any higher than max temps while gaming. At least that way you can use the card for gaming.

Edits:also for cheesmans guide, your only going to be editing your own vbios so it will work no matter what, but nvflash seems to have a problem with the 9 series cards. Instead of typing in nvflash NEWBIOS.ROM for step 11, type in NVFLASH -4-5-6 NEWBIOS.ROM. This will force flash the vbios. I suggest write down the guide or print it out before you do this.

 

Man It WORKED I love ya!!!! Im gonna keep this I still get the bios problem but I guess I can live with it maybe some bios editing and voilà but it works it works

 

Bios edit

 

Nice to see that you've solved your problem

 

Do you want to hear the funniest part?

Ok I finished everything, no bios problems, no nothing.

Everything is fine BUT I get similar perfomance, its not really worth it, I only get 200 3dmarks more using a 9600gt than using an HD3650 .

Ill redo everything, having an ATI card is better and cooler...

 

LMAO

On a serious note, it is DDR3 right, it's not possible to have similar performance

 

Believe it or not!!!

With my 3650 I get 4650 3dmarks (yep a lil overclocked stock 3900), with the stock 9600gt I get around 4900 3dmarks.

But my max gpu temps for my overclocked HD3650 are 73C and the max stock temps of the 9600gt are 85C.
the hd3650 idles at 41C and the 9600gt at 52C.

Its like the same for me... No REAL performance gain after all, nvidia runs hotter...

 

Wow - shows us, eh?
My OC'd 9500M GS is pulling 4600s on my testbed Vista Home Premium SP1 installation.

 

Something is seriously wrong with your 9600mgt

 

stock gateway vista installation X64.

 

I just read that around 4800 - 5300 is pretty normal for a 9600gt.
Maybe my guess is right:
HD3650 = 9600gs
HD3670 = 9600gt

 

Here's my best result so far.
The OC'd GeForce had a huge advantage on SM2.0, but the Radeon HD 3650 takes the lead on SM3.0.
And you've also got a faster CPU.

 

I can overclock even more but I dont want... Also I dont want to damage my card .

The processor speed difference isnt that big I also have a bad resolution I would have like 300 more at 1280 x 1024, I advice you not to overclock that much because the core of your 9500GS is the same as the 8600GT you can seriously damage your card! .

 

Seems OK. I can pull out 4300+ (1280x800) @ 700c/600m on my lappy and 3700 @ stock. What are your clocks?

 

The 9500M GS may use the same core as the 8600M GT (albeit revised), but it's been rock-solid stable at these speeds for a few months now.

 

3900 at stock, and I got 4700 at 730c/620m (using AMD clock) but with my 1366 x 768 resolution (which is awful for benchmarks) if I translate that to 1280 x 800 I guess around 5100 3dmarks, is just that this res isnt that powerful at all and I cant use a lower res ...

Btw How can I add a custom res in windows?

 

Keep in mind that 1366x768 is actually slightly MORE pixels than 1280x800 (1049088 pixels vs. 1024000). The two should be roughly interchangeable.

 

I have an Acer 5930G which contains 9600m GT GDDR3 inside.
I was able to score slightly above 5300 in 3d marks at any time at stock resolution.

Something is capping down your scores because the 9600m GT GDDR3 is at least 10 to 20% faster compared to HD3650 M.

On the other hand ... 3d Mark scores are NOT always an indication on how the gpu's will perform in games.

 

Yeah maybe you are right, but I also see that the card is hotter, it would be hard to overclock also the difference isnt that big... Also I guess that my scores with my HD3650 are higher since I run 3dmark06 at a higher res.

4900 3dmarks for the 9600gt isnt that bad its like between the average but I can feel that I could get at least 150 3dmarks more, maybe the answer would be to change the drivers since I use vista X64. Also I ran COD W@W and it ran maxed with both gpus (HD3650 overclocked) but the 9600gt got like 3FPS more... And that for me isnt a huge difference.

 

Yes, try the latest drivers from Nvidia (186.03). They were able to bump up my score by about 100 points at the same clocks.

 

With my 5520g and 9600m overclocked and 2.2ghz CPU @ 2.5ghz at 1280x800 (max res of my monitor) I score around 6500.

 

Thats why.

 

Yer also, I dont even want to think in overclocking an nvidia card again! I remember those nightmares when I overclocked the nvidia gpu on my xps m1330, I know that those gpus had faulty cores but it seems that the nvidia card isnt that cool at all, I mean at full load my temps are 87C and idle 51C, with my overclocked HD3650 my full load temps are 71C and idles at 39C.

Btw I tried to overclock the 9600gt and it started to overheat I mean at full load 96C and idles at 64C! and it was a mild overclock! these things are like time bombs waiting to explode! I dont wanted to risk the gpu so I returned everything to normal. Im sure that I can push further my HD3650 and IF I had that 1200 X 800 res I would be getting easily more than 6000+ but like I said I dont want to risk my gpu´s.

 

Why were you expecting a more drastic difference? The cards are in the same performance class.

 

I just realized that .

I rather prefer my ATI because is cooler, 55nm, directx 10.1...
Maybe an HD4670 would make a difference.

 

25,088 pixels will not make a 1000 point difference in 3DMark scores. Especially when you consider that 1280x1024 has 1,310,720 - a 261,632 pixel difference - might result in a 500 point drop.

 

My gfx clocks were 625/1700/1000 (2000 DDR) (its what I run all the time now)

The 3% difference to 1366x768 will mean little, of course there is a big difference between 1280x800 and 1280x1024 so its not fair to compare to a standard 3dmark 06 score.