Very slow 1070m issues

Hello and greetings to one and all.
I have now had my new 1070m Laptop for about a month now, and am having some very curious issues with it that I would like to ask people here about to gauge their insight and knowledge to seek a solution.
When I first got the 1070m, I was able to play Doom, Borderland, Bioshock, etc at very high FPS rates- about 125 for Doom and 62 for Borderland, all at Ultra Maxed out settings, which is what I should be getting.
Within the past week, every game that I play has now seen a drop of 50% in all FPS rates for some reason.
I am still using the same OEM Nvidia drivers that came with my gaming laptop- 368.71, and I have done nothing else to affect gameplay.
FRAPS now shows my frame rates on Doom at 35-40 FPS, whereas before, I was routinely getting 125, which is what I should be getting at Ultra and Maxed out settings.
The same massive drop-off is with all my other games, too.
I have no idea why I am seeing at least a 50% drop off in frame rates on all my games with a brand new Nvidia card that is less than a month old. I should be getting really high frame rates with all my games.

Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening?

 

What temperatures are you getting when playing a game?

 

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I thought about that, too, but the FPS rates are the same no matter if I play the games seconds after I first turn the Laptop on in the morning, or have it on for hours.
At first the FPS rates for Doom and other games were very high when I started playing them when I first got my Sager, but suddenly after 2 weeks, they have dropped to below 50% of what they were, so it's not high temps that are the cause here.
I have no idea at all why this is happening. Is it a bad GPU?
After having it for less than a month, I can't say for sure, but these massive frame rate drops on all my games, has started to make me wonder....

 

Show us temps, HWMonitor..

 

Which laptop do you have? Temps?

 

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15'6 Sager/Clevo w/ 1070m.
Less than a month old.

Installed on played Doom for hours on Day 1, and FPS rates were in the 120's to 130's as they should be.
Didn't play it for a couple of days, and then played it again, and now FPS rates are ranging from the low 30's to 70's.
Can't be heat issues, but I believe that throttling is happening, as I see the a form of "micro-stuttering" taking place, which is weird, because it's not an SLI machine.
Where there are sudden drops of FPS with micro-second freezes taking place.
With as powerful as the 1070m is, I should see consistent rates in the mid 120's all the time on Doom, as I saw those rates initially when playing, but after a couple of days, something happened, where these Frame Rates are no longer happening.
It cannot be temps, because no matter when I play any of my games, the Frame Rates stay low from start to finish, and it never gets back into the 120s where it should be, and like what it was when I first started.
With Bioshock, I should see consistently FPS Rates in the high hundreds as well, due to the age of the game, and having those rates on my old 880m.
I am now wondering if my 1070m is bad, or is getting there.

 

What you think doesn't matter. Check the load temperatures.

 

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During Doom gameplay the Core temps get to about 48 C.
At Laptop start-up, temps stay in the low 30's.

 

That doesn't sound right... The GPU temps are 48c when gaming at ultra settings? What about GPU utilization percent?

 

Make sure you are in balanced or high performance mode. Check your control center.

 

I will say it again, give us HWMonitor screenshot, it takes 5 minutes, we can see frequencies, utilization and temps

 

there's a 1070M? i thought they ditched the 'M' moniker?

 

Don't fall for marketing... its the laptop version. It doesn't matter what you call it. It is also physically different to the desktop core (different amount of cores, TMUs, clocks etc).

 

1- First of all, stop calling it a 1070M, it's the desktop 1070 with 5 to 10% less performance
2- This looks to be an Optimus issue, since you said microstuttering is existent. Does your laptop have Optimus? If it does, then make sure your power plan is set to High perfirmance when plugged in, and make sure the preferred card in the Nvidia control panel is the High performance Nvidua GPU.
3- No optimus but still issues? I can only think of the power plan. Make sure it is not set on power saving.

 

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Thanks for your input, Meaker.
Yes, I did check that, and no, it wasn't the issue that is causing it. It was on "Performance" all the time, and I also checked all the other possible settings within the Nvidia Control center, and they were fine, too.
This is just nuts. I never changed any settings at all anywhere, and suddenly there was a huge drop off in FPS all across the board on games.
When I first got my 1070m from Sager, games like Doom were playing at maxed out settings, and Doom was playing @ 125 FPS, which is where it should be at.
That was early on, and then about a week later, that all changed. I began to see Doom playing anywhere from 30 FPS to 70, which is NEVER supposed to happen.

 

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1) It's still an "M" on the 1070, because it's a Mobile variant of the 1070 Desktop card, so I will keep calling it that to distinguish it, so yes, it's the 1070m.

2) I never changed any settings in the Power options within Win10 or Nvidia, so I doubt that it's a function of that change. I did check all the needed settings in both, and found that both were in Performance mode.
The huge performance drops in all my games occurred without my doing anything, and none of my settings had changed.
Could it be Optimus? Doubtful, but at this point, I can't rule anything out.
I DID send my Sager back to the Service Center, and through "thorough diagnostic checking" that they said they did, they found "nothing wrong", which is a lie, because there is indeed something wrong with the unit.
The Tech guy said that FRAPS was the cause, which is hilarious because he said that FRAPS was "bloatware", and it would cause System resources to cause huge performance hits.
B.S.
That is not true at all, because I was using FRAPS to see that I was getting INITIALLY the 125+ FPS frame rates on all MAXED OUT games like Doom, (62 FPS) on Skyrim, and (62 FPS) on Borderland so why would it negatively affect performance a week later all by itself?

3) Power plan and all settings were on Performance, before and after the massive performance drops so that wasn't the issue.

The Sager Tech people say that everything's find and dandy, but I say they're wrong. FRAPS isn't the cause of the problems, and it's not "crapware" on my Laptop that's the problem, because there's no crapware on it, as I installed all programs myself from the bottom up.
The 1070m should be getting me 125 FPS on Doom all maxed out, as it was originally, but it's not now, and there's no cause that can be found.

 

Oh, one other thing that the Sager techs told me that I found to be hilarious. They said that my "Nvidia drivers are really old, and way out of date", which they said "could also be a problem".
LOL.
Really? You mean the same OEM Nvidia drivers that I got from Sager that came with the Laptop?
I installed the exact same Nvidia drivers that came on their own Drivers' Disk, which was 368.71, and then Nvidia auto-installed the latest and newest updated drivers a week later, and those are "old and out-dated"?
These Sager Tech guys must be really young and inexperienced.
This is now starting to feel like an episode of Seinfeld.

 

I'm extremely serious about the Optimus "issue" though. The massive FPS drops, as you described, happen in the desktop too for obscure reasons. Everything will freeze for a second and then it's super smooth again. Most of the lads with the Optimus laptops (i.e MSI GS43VR and GS63VR) had the exact same micro stuttering, but others with G-Sync certified laptops (a.k.a no Optimus) had everything super fluid under the dGPU. Some Optimus laptop owners tried plugging an external display and suddenly all the lag and stuttering is gone.
Like I said, the issue has to do with Optimus, since non optimus laptops don't have it, and the Clevo support probably knew there was a problem but have no idea how to deal with it (unless instructed otherwise by Nvidia).

 

• See if you're in Optimus mode. That has randomly caused stuttering for people.
• Are you on Windows 10? Have you seen if your intel drivers have had an update (again tying into optimus mode)?
• Are you making sure your GPU is remaining clocked up during gameplay?
• What are your clock speeds and utilization under load? Temperatures don't tell the whole story. Playing a game in windowed mode with HWiNFO64 in sensors only mode should be fine to check this.
• Also, what about your CPU? What is IT doing in game?
• Have you tried forcing "prefer maximum performance" on a game and seeing if that helps?
• Mobile 1070 is *NOT* the desktop card. It uses 2048 cores like the mobile 980. It's basically a mobile 980 version of pascal. Desktop 1070 has 1920 cores. This card alone isn't a "variant" of its desktop counterpart.
• Manually install 372.54 drivers; those are the most stable recent ones I know of.

And finally, if all else fails, check and see if GeForce experience's new version is screwing with your system. Because I know for a FACT that the new "share" overlay crap causes SERIOUS problems with peoples' PCs. If using DDU to install 372.54 drivers, do not install GFE and see if the problem goes away. If it does, then install GFE manually and see if it shows up again. If it does, then consider running DDU --> 372.54 again, but this time, manually installing an older form of GFE and taking steps to prevent GFE from auto-updating to the newest cancer version (you'll have to google those steps; I don't open GFE and I don't want to anymore).

 

Just call it a 1070N. Short for 1070 notebook gpu.

And are you sure you are not running a frame limiter or vsync enabled somewhere?

 

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****Update****
Thanks. Great answers D2, and most appreciated for your inputs and expertise. Thanks!
I have checked out most of them weeks ago as per the advice of our fellow gaming brethren here, and none of what has gone on has made any sense to me.
I talked with the Sager people about this, and they were as stumped as I was, so since I couldn't identify any problems that I could troubleshoot myself, I sent my Laptop back to them, and they were also unable to replicate my issues.
The funny part was, they said that it "was my drivers" that "too old" and that they needed to be updated.
"Too old"?
I asked them if they were joking, because the Nvidia drivers were the OEM ones that they gave to me to install on my system, and were less than a month old, so how on earth could they be "too old"?
My System started off GREAT, in seeing very consistent and high FPS rates on Doom, Borderlands, Skyrim, etc, but after about 2 weeks of great performance and play, the FPS rates on Doom went from 125 to about 40 (with FPS rates of 30 being seen in many areas), Borderlands went down to 40 as well, and I didn't do anything to cause this via settings adjustments, updates, or anything.
Was it Optimus? I thought so, but Sager said 'no'.
It just happened all by itself two weeks after I got it, and I didn't do anything to cause it.
Sager's conclusion was that they couldn't find anything wrong with it, and everything was "fine", when it clearly wasn't.
When you see massive drops in gameplay, where frame rates consistently go from 125+ down to 30, then it's not a random issue.
Also just as important, my Laptop screen was not functioning correctly, either, as I saw yellowish/Orange tinting discolorations on my screen at the lower left and right corners when the screen was all black during game play or on game load up.
In the last 17 years that I have had laptops, I have never seen this on any display screens that I have had.
Has anyone ever seen this tinting discoloration before on their Laptop Display screens?
I haven't.
Since it was under warranty, I told them to get me a new Motherboard and 1070m, and they did.
I got my Laptop back with new parts, and VIOLA!
Problem solved.

 

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Thanks for the reply and your input.
No, I wasn't using any frame limiters anywhere, and V-Sync was and is OFF on all my games and in the Nvidia Control Panel.
The frame rates that I saw were massive drops all across the board, where Doom- which should be getting 125 FPS on almost all areas, went down to 30 in many areas that was never seen before, whereas in those same areas, I was getting that same 125 earlier.
Every single game I was playing when I got my Sager were all playing at high performance rates and levels for two weeks, and then all of a sudden, then a massive performance drop occurred without warning, and that is when I also saw the yellowish/Orange tinting discoloration on my Laptop screen on the lower left and right corners.
I am not sure if this is typical issue with IPS Laptop screens or not, but I have never seen that discoloration from any Laptop screens in my life.

 

Hummm, that would not be typical...indeed.

Glad it all worked out and you are back up and running!

 

Hello! How is your laptop now? No propmels with new motherboard?
I have ordered XMG P707 (Sager P670RS) and now quite concerned was it a right decision.

Thanks in advance.

 

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I sent my Sager back in for repair, and they ran a series of tests on it, and "couldn't find anything wrong", which, as I said, was nonsense, because despite the temps being low in a new Laptop, I was getting suddenly decreasing FPS rates across the board in all games I was playing.
Doom went from 125 FPS down to 30 in some areas, with 70 or so being the "new normal".
I sent my Laptop in, and they just replaced the whole thing for me, which was very nice of them to do that.
All was well for 2 months, until again, out of the blue, my games just suddenly stopped booting up. They all crashed within seconds of the load-up screen while using the 1070 GPU, but those same games wouldn't crash at load-up while using the IDGPU (Intel 530).
Very strange and very odd.
I have no idea of the cause here, so I re-formatted and reinstalled Win10 and all my drivers.
I talked with the Tech guys at Sager, and they asked me if I used Driver Booster, and I told them- Yes, I do, and they said that I should NEVER use Driver Booster to supply my Sager with Boosters "updated Drivers".

Anyone else have the same issues with Driver Booster?
I suspected a

 

Driver Boost,What ?

 

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Yeah, it's called "Driver Booster", and it's a 3rd party software program, that is SUPPOSED to supply your laptop and Desktop systems with "the correct, latest, and greatest drivers" from Intel, Realtek, Nvidia, AMD, etc, depending on what system you use.
"Driver Booster" was recommended to me by the good folks at Zone Labs, who make the Zone Alarm Firewall, and they INSISTED that I use it to "update my out-dated drivers".

I used it and everything seemed to be working okay, until I noticed that my Realtek soundcard no longer worked as it did before, and that all my games started to lock-up, freeze, and crash on me.
I contacted Sager about this, and they essentially scolded me for using Driver Booster, because they said that ANY 3rd Party program like this would eff things up with my system, because Driver Booster's driver offerings can't be guaranteed to work, and that my Sager drivers are specific to my system.
The ones from Driver Booster are generic at best, and can't be trusted to provide the exact drivers Sager Laptops need.

Sager told me to stay away from all 3rd Party programs like this that supposedly supply "updated drivers".

 

Woah, just... don't use that, please. I wouldn't touch that kind of programs with a ten foot pole. Just search for appropriate drivers a bit instead of using this bloatware

 

if you want to do that I would recommend: http://driverscloud.com/


isn't bloatware, and works pretty well to detect all component driver

 

I agree, there can be decent ones, but I just don't like it. Detecting components is fine but I prefer to install all drivers manually, from trusted sources. I don't know where and what those programs will download automatically if I allow them to.

 

Sometimes drivercloud find ones for a hardware that I don't know its name. Could be useful in that regard too.

 

Just update your gpu drivers regularly after verifying that they are okey via the topic in the forum, afterwards see from you manufacturer website for the EC updates/Audio driver, the rest of them shall stay the same if they dont conflict or are incompatible with some applications..

 

Hi guys,

I randomly landed on this thread. You should give a look at my topic where we also tried to adress this issue which seems to be common to all laptop with a gtx 1070, now I've read this topic.

Try some of our solutions and tell me if it gets better : http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ce-and-fps-drops-lets-find-a-solution.799316/

 

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Sorry for the delay in responding to your post and question.
I sent my Sager back in to get it R&R'd, and they sent me a new motherboard, so that was the issue, and the problem has been fixed and solved.
Hopefully this is the last of the problems with this, and I can now look forward to great gaming from now on, and throughout 2017, 2018, and beyond.

 

Indeed, best of luck and hope you have many epic gaming moments going forward on it!