Volta: NVIDIA's Next Generation GPU Architecture (2017-2018)

Notice the core count is similar to polaris and VRAM too.

 

Interesting. Now the real question is, when can we expect a 1070ti Max-Q?

 

Rather ask when we should expect... 1030Ti-1050Ti-1060Ti-1070Ti and FINALLY 1080Ti for the normal graphics. Then the exactly same model range, but for the Max-Qrippled versions Yeah, You must have your tongue straight in your mouth when you buy new hardware, LOL

 

An gtx1080ti Max-Q could actually be a not so bad ideia. It's not really feasible to put a 300w chip in a laptop...

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Max-Q has some other Design Features that we wouldn't want, limiting the TDP down so low as to reduce performance is one, the 40dba noise limit being another, and of course paying Nvidia for the use of Max-Q would be another

A 1080ti adjusted to fit the maximum cooling TDP of 200w-250w would be great, but reducing into the 110w Max-Q range would be too much of a reduction.

 

1080Ti shouldn' be re'named and crippled for fitting in an Jokebook. On top pay ++premium price

 

Oh it's a bad idea, my friend.

Last time a massive GPU that had no business being shoved into laptops was forced upon us, we ended up with the GTX 480M. Those were dark days.

You also have to just look at the prices of the laptops holding GTX 1080 Max-Qs, to realize that 1080 Ti Max-Q laptops would start near $4k.

 

Nvidia DGX-1 With Tesla V100 Spotted in GeekBench With Staggering Numbers
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...ted-in-geekbench-with-staggering-numbers.html

 

Milking continue... GeForce GTX 1070 Ti Specs and Details - Based on GP104-300-Guru3d.com

"More specs of the upcoming GeForce GTX 1070 Ti are surfacing online. You have seen the rumors and teaser yesterday already. This post will shed some more information."

 

Well, unless you want to pay $500 for a GTX 1070 because miners...

 

So when will a volta gpu be available with a clevo or msi laptop?

 

2018 summer at the earliest.

 

Asking release dates for cards that haven't even been officially announced will never get you much closer to the truth.

 

Nvidia might BAN OVERCLOCKING on new 1070Ti
Rumors point to a frequency lock on Nvidia's next graphics card.
http://www.pcgamer.com/you-might-not-be-able-to-overclock-nvidias-geforce-gtx-1070-ti/

"We are fairly confident that Nvidia is readying a GeForce GTX 1070 Ti graphics card that slip into its product lineup between the non-Ti variant and the higher-end GeForce GTX 1080. However, if you are hoping to squeeze out GTX 1080-like performance through overclocking, you might be in for a rude awakening—the latest rumors suggest Nvidia is locking the frequency on the GTX 1070 Ti."

Nvidia might BAN OVERCLOCKING on new 1070Ti - WAN Show October 13, 2017
01:01:52 - Rumored 1070 Ti rumored to not be overclockable

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It sounds like Nvidia is having 2nd thoughts about releasing a GPU cheaper than the GTX1080 that could conceivably OC to the same or higher performance than the GTX1080.

The AMD Vega RX56 has nothing to fear from either the GTX1080 nor the GTX1070ti

 

Nvidia is so greedy i wouldnt be surprised if by the next gpu model release they start to sell 2 models of every gpu. Just like intel cpus one model will be locked and the other will be unlocked for overclocking. And of course the unlocked one will be more expensive. When does it end??

 

Saw this over on Guru3D, over there the census was that AIB cards wouldn't be able to offer overclocked versions, but that manual overclocking would be allowed. If that's the case then no problem, we'll just overclock them ourselves. However, if NVidia really do block overclocking by the end user on this specific card then I am dead against that, just as I was with NVidia's brief restriction of overclocking on mobile GPUs - I'd kick up a fuss about that, just as I did with the mobile variants! NVidia did a 180 deg turn & re-enabled overclocking on mobile GPU's after everyone kicked up a stink! Banning or limiting overclocking on any of their cards will NOT be popular at all - the internet is likely to explode! Was called the "Clock-Block", my memory re-ignited after a bit of googling just now!

EDIT: Linus talking some rubbish in that video though, talking about overlap of 1070ti with 1080ti, I think he meant GTX 1080! No way is GTX 1070ti when overclocked a competitor to 1080ti, it's a GTX 1080 overlap more to the point.

 

How very ... Nvidia

 

There's no way Nvidia would do that, it'd doom the GPU to DOA status before it releases.

 

And, if Nvidia didn't lock down the "GTX1070ti" it would overclock past the GTX1080, killing sales for the GTX1080.

Which is why I thought the GTX1070ti was a bad idea in the first place.

 

Maybe they don't want to sell many more GTX 1080's, maybe their current silicon & GDDR memory type is better suited to GTX 1070ti production.

 

Can anyone honestly say when volta will release?? Even a window?? Do you guys think it will at least be in 2018?? And what kind of performance jump are we looking at compared to current pascal architecture?? How much bettrr will volta really be?

 

Any answer you get will be mostly speculation, so no, no one that can talk about it knows the answer to your questions.

Speculation :
Most likely comes next year, more to the second half
Performance jump will be less then the last jump
Comfort 4k as you have 1080p today most likely only on 7nm

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I can't comment on performance, although there is a professional 'specialist' Volta chip that is already out there, but that's wildly different to what we're likely to see in the consumer space - so perhaps some extrapolations could be reached when comparing performance of that released chip. In terms of release date, a lot of what I've heard is based around GDDR6 availability as it is touted that this will want to be used on Volta consumer chips - this pegs Volta to about end of first quarter to end of second quarter 2018 as far as I recall.

EDIT: to put a very broad brush stroke to it, I expect we could see performance increase anything from 45-75% increase based on what I remember from previous generational increases.

 

gddr5x is more expensive. Prices has been all time high a long time Nvidia have to rely on buyers who ain’t interested in Oc their graphics. Sell 1070Ti for better price vs. 1080 will probably increase the sales. Nvidia can instead use all the 1080 silicon for 1080 Max-Q and max out profits. Big win

 

NVIDIA’s Upcoming Geforce GTX 1070 Ti Graphics Card Gets First Benchmarks Leaked Through AotS Database

"The GTX 1070 Ti gets an overall score of 6200, which is an acceptable score from the GTX 1070 successor. We have seen some highly overclocked 1070s reach this range but we have also seen lower clocked 1080s reach this range as well. All in all it looks like NVIDIA will finally be plugging the hole that the Vega 56 is sure to carve in its lineup. The most impressive thing however, is that the average frame rate in the normal batch is at an all time high. This is actually faster than all of the GTX 1070s and many of the GTX 1080s and goes on to show the potential this card could have once performance tuning is completed."

 

Without DDR5x this GPU will be the darling of Mining. It'll sell well enough for mining to make it scarce for gaming.

And, when it kills the GTX1080 sales, the RX 56 will out perform whatever Nvidia has left on the shelf.

AMD and partners need to figure out how to deliver more RX 56 product to take advantage of this Nvidia bungle.

 

Yep, that's what I was hinting at, 1070ti = better profits potentially than GTX 1080.

 

I think that article is wrong though, they even state in that article that the GTX 1070ti wouldn't have GPU boost, as well as not being manually software overclockable - I think they're gonna be wrong on both counts.

 

Looking at the trend on how long Nvidia clings to an architecture, I'd say volta would be around 2019, if not even 2020.

 

So... Not much news about Volta yet?

Still 1080ti kind of all GPUs as far as consumer grade GPUs go?

 

My assumptions....

GTX 1180 = 20% faster than GTX Titan Xp

GTX Titan Xv = 40% faster than 1180
GTX 1180Ti = 35% faster than 1180
GTX 1170 = GTX 1080Ti
GTX 1165 = GTX 1080
GTX 1160 = GTX 1070

Volta was SUPPOSED to be a decent amount faster than Pascal but we'll see.

 

Every generation, people here on NBR predict small 20% improvements, like clockwork. Then we get 40% or more, suddenly it's shock and surprise.

 

If you look carefully at my chart, it comes out to be:

Titan Xv > Titan Xp (60% faster)

I used 1180 as a base since that will be the more popular GPU, especially in the laptop sector.

 

I'm still amazed Clevo hasn't put a 1080 ti in a laptop. Some of their laptops are about as thick as a full height desktop GPU. They may as well go all the way and offer the 1080 ti and even Titan. Maybe once Volta comes around, it will be done, unless the thermal profile of Volta skyrockets.

 

Man i really hope your right!! That makes me feel better about my decision to wait unti 2018 to buy my first gaming laptop. Plus all of the games im really looking forward to wont be out til 2018 and a lil later. With the exception of maybe 1-2. Just think about the performance increase you mentioned with a 6 core cpu. Those laptops will be absolutely monstrous!!

 

Clevo's X7200/P570WM is probably one of the thickest laptops I've had the honor owning. They could probably fit one in that chassis, cooling it is a whole other story.

 

In terms of whether it would fit, I don't see why not. Compare the dimensions of this 1080 ti with the forthcoming Eurocom X9C. With some re-engineering it wouldn't be much of a stretch to fit that desktop card in there, no MXM form factor needed. Replace the 2 MXM cards with a bay for a desktop card, and include a vent on the bottom for the card's own fans to cool it. Prop the back of the machine up with some fold out feet, and I don't see why it wouldn't work. As long as the card's own fans are capable of keeping the card itself cool and you're using it on a hard surface, it should be fine. If you thicken up the 15" Clevo machines a little and sacrifice some of the internal storage, you could even make it work there.

 

Oh I wasn't talking about you, your number are realistic.

I'd say you should give up on making predictions, if you really think they are going to stand pat with Pascal for another two years.

There really haven't been trends. Fermi came out in 2010, Kepler came out in 2012, Maxwell came out in 2015, Pascal came out in 2016.

Only Tesla and Kepler lasted more than 2 years.

 

Maxwell came out in 2014, both Maxwell I (GM10x) and Maxwell II (GM20x).

 

I still noticed prices coming down in Romania, for pc parts and laptops

Something is going on with Nvidia

 

Nvidia could also just do a Pascal refresh and cancel consumer Volta altogether. Throw in a few bells and whistles to go along with GDDR6+process shrink and they're still at the top of the market in all price segments, if they choose SKUs/prices accordingly. As long as they get their post-Volta architecture out before AMD gets their post-Vega architecture out, they'll lose nothing. And given that Volta was ready before Vega, I'd say Nvidia has a decent chance of being able to do that.

 

What are u even talking about?
Kepler was from 2012 - 2014
Maxwell was from 2014 - 2016
Pascal is from 2016+.

The biggest thing for Nvidia here is that AMD is not competitive anymore. Thanks to the miners the AMD cards are now much harder to get and are really exepsive, there is absolutely no reason for Nvidia to bring out a new architecture since the competition is gone, hence I think we will first see a new architecture around 2019.

 

What are tose miners, and how does one become one of them?

 

The first consumer Volta card is now for sale, the Titan V: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/8/16750326/nvidia-titan-v-announced-specs-price-release-date

From the article:

 

And not forget http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/wanna-go-sli-with-titan-v-nvlink-bridge-costs-599-usd.html

 

I honestly wouldn't be suprised if volta would be pascal only that they removed the crappy power management crap.

 

More info here:

NVIDIA TITAN V
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-titan-v.811584/

 

They are copying Apple's money making scheme. For better/fast charging(apple) pay $200 and get that feature. on Nvidia for SLI you need a bridge which is priced extra when someone pays $3000 for a GPU that doesn't come with a bridge these days.

 

But why do you want SLI on this? It's built for neither gaming nor driving DCC viewports, and other compute tasks don't utilize the SLI bridge.

 

Ask Ngreedia.