Volta: NVIDIA's Next Generation GPU Architecture (2017-2018)

I think you are.

I'm trying to say that for the majority of systems, they won't bother spending even an extra few cents. They'll want to push massive price premiums on things for us that people won't pay. Look at the 5400RPM vs 7200RPM drive difference. It's maybe a couple dollars more to use the better drive, but most lower end notebooks will never touch it, because if they do they'll want to pawn off an extra $30 or so on us that people won't pay.

For the high end machines like the PxxxDMx and GTxxVR series, it might show up, but it's such a small section of the market all things considered for them to develop R&D into it, and make sure it's completely leak proof, etc.

 

Oh, you're basically suggesting they won't invest in it because it's not worth it. I see... Don't agree with that entirely (for every gaming laptop), but I see the point.

If only acquiring patents did not cost tens of thousands of dollars...

 

Many patents are incorrectly issued, though. That is why people hate "patent trolls," because they "destroy wealth," but many times the patent should never have been issued our corporations were using a patent without paying a license fee to a blocking patent. Sorry, slight tangent.

Patent monopolies created by purchase of large portfolios are just used as a defense against lawsuits or to force licensing, in some cases inappropriately...

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Hmm what kind of simulation/testing have you done to see that it can cool it? Without access to Volta's thermal resistance values, you cannot know if your idea even works.

Designing cooling systems are very complex projects.

I mean no offence towards you but without any CFDs/actual testing to back it up, I must question this cooling.

 

I actually made a scale version in some software that simulates temperatures based on variables and data from existing GPU setups. It showed a fairly decent temperature under a 10 minute test simulation. Nothing beyond that. As I said above, there really isn't any physical design or anything at this point. When I inquired with legal services at my University to apply for a patent, they informed me it would cost at least $15,000.

Software simulations are not accurate representations of how it would work. As you said, we don't know anything about Volta... But it's a starting point.

 

That is because you hire the attorney to draw up the paperwork, research prior patents that may be in conflict, make sure it fits the novel requirements, etc. So, cost for patent application is paying all that, plus filing fee, etc. I have some friends that do exclusively IP work and, I believe, some that may have jobs at the US PTO currently...

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If they refresh Pascal, I hope it has something improved... Not just another overclocked re-brand.

 

Seconded.

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Depending on how AMD's Vega architecture does, it could really impact not only the release date, but also pricing of Volta.
Rumors are the "RX 490" (we will just call it that for now) is going to be sporting Vega and be better than the 1080 and a lower price.

 

I predict that this year will see some Pascal refinements but Volta wont be seen until at least 2018 (especially if the new cards aren't going to be ready for laptops).

 

Yes that is the only way to bring Pascal users from Green Side to Red side. I hope Vega is worth the hype. My guess is that Volta would embrace AMD GCN like architecture with a weird codename like Tiled CUDA cores or something.

 

AMD's Vega apparently has a new architecture called NCU.

From reddit: https://i.redd.it/72f1onz2sf7y.png

This might solve power issues and hopefully enable Vega to operate in laptops. Looking forward to seeing AMD be competitive in the laptop market.

 

At least judging by the graph, the GTX 1060 I just ordered in a new laptop from www.hidevolution.com should be relavant for a while. I'm looking forward to seeing how well Khronos's new Vulkan graphics standard works on Linux. It seemed like the jump to Pascal and the Vulkan API change should be the largest jump for a while...but you never know with the technology sector who has what up their sleeves.

 

2-3 years at 1080p, no problem. On fairly decent settings, too.

People still use 400 series cards to play games at 720p/low settings. You'll be fine. Just keep it cool!

 

I would agree with you since with the next Xbox and PS coming out soon, the games with get a bump in performance that will stress the GPUs.

I wonder what the upcoming consoles will get in terms of hardware.

But the 10xx GPUs are monsters. Let's see what happens.


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To combat the heat density, move the cooling to the die carrier, bring chilled water to the die:

Water-cooled chip a breakthrough for processing power
Researchers send de-ionized water within a few hundred microns of the transistors.
https://defensesystems.com/articles/2015/10/07/georgia-tech-darpa-liquid-cooled-chip.aspx

 

Leaching would seem like the most obvious issue with DI water.

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-volta-12nm-finfet/

 

Nice, hopefully on schedule for the compute side, and ahead of schedule for the gaming side

Super exciting times, potentially 2 generations in a row of 2x+ GPU performance improvements!

 

Yeah, however IMO the earliest we will see Volta GeForce cards is GDC 2018. May be wrong though, but I don't think that we will see any this year.

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Yup, that's my vote in the poll too, early 2018

 

Slightly old now, but figured I'd post it here anyway:

Nvidia Big Volta GV100 GPU Spotted In Latest GeForce Driver Release - http://www.game-debate.com/news/223...-gpu-spotted-in-latest-geforce-driver-release

 

According to a Chinese report Volta will be produced on 12nm by TSCM:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170313PB201.html

Edit: Forgot to add there´s talk about it being an iteration of 16 nm but called 12 nm. Not sure how that´d work, either it´s 16 or 12. It´s a unit of measurement, not an Nvidia rebrand.

Edit 2: Fourth iteration of 16 nm with changes big enough to justify a name change:
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20161128PD206.html

 

"XXnm" is the smallest feature size, but the actual density can vary a bit, so there is room for playing with words.

 

I don´t know man, the whole naming scheme just feels wrong

NEXT UP: TSMC develops worlds first 7 nm chip!
Disclaimer: Ninth iteration of 16 nm. Actual production process may vary.

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-20-volta-graphics-card-q3-2017/

What do you guys think of this report? Possibly legit or just nonsense? And the Chinese source says it will be on 16nm. Even if it does come, will it overheat?

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Ignore, it's WCCFTech.

They legitimately took @Mr. Fox's and @Prema's april fools joke and reported it as if it were real news about a mobile 1080Ti.

They showed a picture of two GTX 980N cards side by side, and called one a 980M and the other a 980N. And the source, Notebookcheck, states that they're both 980N cards.

I mean... it's wccftech.

On the other hand, since Volta GV1x0 MUST launch this year for enterprise tesla cards, it's possible they can launch Volta if they rush it I guess. But I'm not holding my breath. If it does launch it'll probably be late Q4 and laptop chips won't hit till 2018. And even if it does, GV1x2 won't hit our shores until at least late 2018, and that's the really good stuff.

As for it overheating, if the thermal density isn't so bloody high it might do quite well. GP100 is not nearly as hot as GP102; the die is larger afaik and the thermal density is reduced, and it's much easier to cool. I suppose the double-precision encoding block takes up die space and this is how it was achieved, but I don't know what they're doing with Volta. Anyone who had insider info seems to have vanished, like Ethrem.

 

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-notebook-gpu-performance-leak/

 

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Paging @Ethrem. Are you still around?

 

Somehow, wrong user. You must mean @Ethrem (whose tag doesn't seem to show up for some odd reason when I use the @ function).

 

You got the wrong one...
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Leave off the '.', and you will get the right one

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@hmscott, ah, yeah, I didn't realise there would be a fake Ethrem. Man, I sure do miss his insight...

 

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/248267-sk-hynix-will-launch-gddr6-2018-hbm2


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Interesting read, an early 2018 release now sounds very plausible.

 

Volta has arrived:

www.anandtech.com/show/11367/nvidia-volta-unveiled-gv100-gpu-and-tesla-v100-accelerator-announced

Could this mean consumer Volta in mid-late 2017? It's looking increasingly likely.

 

I just still reckon it's gonna be 2018 before we see consumer cards. But, how long was it from announcement by NVidia of big Pascal until launch of consumer Pascal?

 

1 month

April 2016 (GP100) to May 2016 (GP104)

 

I would still expect early 2018. Since even the GV100 is only shipping to customers in Q4, IIRC.

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I guess it wouldn't really make sense to kill off the 1080 Ti so quickly after it launched.

Oh really? I hadn't read that far into the article.

 

I don't even remember if it was in the AnandTech article, but I recall reading it somewhere.

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You are right, it's at the end of the anandtech article:

"The first product to ship with Tesla V100 will be the NVIDIA DGX-1V, the Volta version of their DGX server. Similar to their Pascal launch, starting with DGX sales allows NVIDIA to sell 8 GPUs in one go, and for a premium at that. A DGX-1V will set you back a cool $149,000. The payoff? It ships in Q3, whereas OEM P100 designs won’t be available until Q4."

 

Nvidia's Monstrous Volta GPU appears

Duh, forgot about this thread

I'll see if I can get those posts moved over here...

We also discussed here:

1080 Ti Unveiled

 

SK Hynix said they were mass producing GDDR6 for a high end GPU release in early 2018. They didn't say it was for Volta but they may as well have because that's the only thing that makes sense.

 

Cool, looks like Volta consumer cards won't be here until 2018 then - keeps my GTX 1070 relevant for longer I guess!

 

Hey, you can live on that GTX 1070 for many years to come, that's a great GPU

 

Especially if you're not planning to increase your display resolution/refresh any time soon.

 

That's my plan at least! I have to turn down a few details to achieve close to a stable 144fps in some games at 1080p res, but for any games that don't need quick reaction times, then I'm happy with 60fps or less and at 1080p that's easily achievable!

 

Im wondering what size of card we tallking about with that big chip