Who wants the next total war game to be Rome 2?

Well, Shogun 2 is done, medieval 2 was out and we've covered the musket era. I've also read that something like WWI may not be feasible or fun as I quote Mike Simpson, Creative Assembly studio director: "We could do a World War I game quite well but I’m not sure it will be fun to play.” Source: Rome: Total War 2? | Total PC Gaming Magazine

So why not make Rome 2, a sequel to one of the most successful total war games? Perhaps add historical story like Caesar's Gaul campaign or a civil war campaign etc.

So what are your thoughts?

 

I agree that a WWI game might not work well. In WWI you had planes, balloons etc fighting so everything was more spread out. Whereas the Total War series has been known for throwing mass armies on the same screen fighting it out with low tech weapons and horses.

I like the Rome 2 idea.

 

rome 2 would be great. but i long for a remake of medievel with this new engine

 

I would like a Rome 2 as well. There are some games trying to do total war style for WWI/II, which didn't end quite well. An example is warleaders: clash of nations I played a while bad, it's simply not fun at all. Heck, even napoleon/empire with all those guns and cannons are too boring.

 

Hmmm how about an American Civil War game? Sid Meier did an awesome job with Gettysburg.

 

Are you talking about the new engine for Total War: Shogun 2 which supports up to 56 000 men? Unfortunately I don't think they will do a medieval 3 after medieval 1 and 2 so soon.

The musket era has been covered, WWI may be too hard to make into a fun game and we have medieval 2 and shogun 2. I'm just so longing for Rome 2. (mainly because I enjoy playing total war games and I'm a Classics student ) I'm just one of those people who can't bear to play old games with outdated graphics.

 

I found an up-to-date forum discussing the possibility of Rome 2:

Could Total War: Rome 2 Surpass Shogun 2? - Total War Center Forums

Looks like Rome 2 could be very popular with polls indicating that a lot of fans would like to see it. If finances were more important than ambition of making a TW game on an unprecedented era then I'd go for Rome 2. Just my thoughts.

 

Yeah sign it up! The community is great in there, im also a member.

I would want a rome2 but with the possibility of endless battles between hello kittys and pokemons Im fairly torn :/

 

IMO rome is probably the most fun total war game, you get tons of weird units like gladiator, flaming pigs etc, it's not just rock, paper, scissors like in Shogun, you can actually have those long pike units that will destroy swordsmen who charge into your spearwall, everything is more flanking based.

 

Absolutely yes, it would be great. I loved rome total war, the best strategy is in it! Napolen was boring like hell, even the late years in medieval 2 with musketeers and cannons was pretty mediocre, except for the part when you were blowing castles with them. And the economy became complicated as the game continued. Rome total war kept things simple and had the best fights, a newer version with simply better graphics and modern engine, that alone, would make this game awesome, just awesome!

 

I want Warring States: Total War. Take the series to where Sun Zi's principles were first applied. In addition, there's plenty of historical records to get some data on which to build the game. To date the only (English-medium) official game I've seen on the period was a Civilization IV Warlords Mod.

 

is this the romance of the three kingdoms? there was a strategy game from long ago that had the same title and it was friggin awesome.
it would be great to see that in total war but i think it would not provide as much diversity as rome or medieval. it would almost be like an expanded shogun actually. would i buy it at full price? probably not, but it would make a great expansion though.

 

Wrong period of history. I'm talking about the period before China was unified under a single Emperor. You're referring to the 3 Kingdoms period which is set over 500 years later.

Both Japan and China have had historical epochs named the Warring States, the only difference being the duration and the starting date.

 

ah the founding of the qin empire. good period but my comment still stands- it would make a good (stand alone) expansion

 

I enjoyed Rome but only on the grand strategy scale, I did not like going in for the fights themselves there or on the later total war games. Coming from my point of view I would love to see another one but not be forced to fight any battles and stay on the world level. The spy I always thought needed work and the diplomats could be better fleshed out. I think I'm in the minority though as to staying on the strategic level, most folks seem to enjoy the battle portion.

 

There's no way CA would ever make the Chinese Warring States as an expansion to Shogun 2, the fanbase would have them shot and any player with a half-decent history grounding would prefer to see them lynched. If there is an expansion to this, it may be a remake of the Mongol Invasion or perhaps the latter attempted conquest of the Korean Peninsula under Toyotomi Hideyoshi.

Played Cossacks? More diplomacy there and less emphasis on the battlefield combat. Plenty of iterations out as well to suit the discerning strategist.

 

I think a new cultural period such as Asia would be more interesting than examining different periods in military technology. Shogun was interesting for that reason, but a WWI theme would essentially be one big massacre in a muddy field.

 

It can wait. I want Greece Total War, the Romans can be in the extreme end of the game.

 

actually i was also thinking in line of the peloponesioan wars. thats would be different and diverse i think.

 

people would complain even more about the size of the map.

But a pure rome 2 with some good mods backing it up, it will be good, but no burning pigs, dogs, roman ninjas, no phalanx germanicus, no goldie egipt, real naked fanatics, no screaming women, and the list goes on....

 

not an expansion as an extension of history of shogun but as i mentioned above a stand alone expansion in the sense that it isnt a full prized game but tackling a different historical period altogether.
my point is that the chinese warring states period doesnt provide enough novelty and diversity and interest to command a full price but could be marketed as a stand alone expansion on a different period.

 

Think again. Combining the Spring and Autumn Period and the subsequent Warring States Period gives close to five hundred years of material to work with. Coupled with the overlapping Eastern Zhou dynasty and that's an extra three hundred years more to play with.

The Three Kingdoms period is more popular because of the historical novel and official history, the period I want made into a Total War is simpler in battlefield terms but is much more complex in terms of diplomacy, the evolution of governing systems and the number of kingdoms involved.

It's easy to forget that this period is where Sun Zi wrote his treatise and applied it to devastating effect, his descendant also did the same to a lesser degree. Of course most common folk outside of the Sinosphere have little to no clue what the period is about with the exception of the result and its legacy (Great Wall). However it's definitely feasible for an adaptation in Total War.

The Greek wars of antiquity are also good, however Rome: Total War more or less covers the arms and technologies involved. The only thing required would be to turn the clock back several centuries and change the players slightly.

 

WWI would be just fail. If any general at the time read Sun Tzu's Art of War they would have shot everyone in the planning room. Attrition, lack of strategy besides charging into machine gun fire, using thousands of men to take a piece of turf then getting it retaken by the enemy to start back to square one with many thousands dead in the middle.

I do believe a Total War game based in China would be very interesting, and I've played a Total-style Three Kingdoms game (Chinese version) with big map and 2-D sprites ages ago, but since I'm a Classics student, I'm naturally biased towards the Romans.

 

i agree but like you said most people with no chinese heritage would not care. as an asian and history buff, im personally fascinated by the qin empire but have little knowledge of it.
not withstanding your love for this period, i dont think many people will pay full price for this. check the total war official forums, the do polls on what people want to see next in tw series. you can suggest this but i doubt you will get much support.

 

It was a personal opinion, nothing more. It's the developers who'll have to decide which market they wish to cater to, it's true they face a horde of competitors if they turned the franchise to the 3 Kingdoms period but the Warring States is an underdeveloped field.

If it came down to pure demographics, it would make financial sense to try the Warring States if CA wished to expand their player base to the Far East (notwithstanding potential piracy problems).

Since I don't even own Shogun 2 yet I can't really post on the TW forums without getting laughed at, but CA now have plenty of funds from the successful franchise and they do their research somewhat well for game design so whatever period they pick next should be good.

It's a shame that historical accuracy took a turn for the worse from Rome onwards.

 

yeah but honestly for me the era doesnt matter much as long as they refine a.i.
shogun 2's graphical are phenomenal even at dx9, and its gameplay it near perfect with almost all info readily accessible.
what the series sorely needs is an ai revamp. i think for most gamers that are attracted to this kind of genre, that would be the most overwhelming improvement if they actually did it. id buy a shogun 2 expansion even if it all it had were a few maps and a competent, aggresive ai.

 

Isn't the AI brutal enough for new players on the higher difficulty settings? Veterans of the franchise laugh at how boring it is but there's a limit to how much CA can cater towards the hardcore fanbase without alienating the general market, or am I missing something here?

Siege AI I hear is still a mess but everything else seems to be working as it should.

 

the ai is improved but i wouldnt call it brutal. siege ai is still kinda broken. you still have a lot of units not attacking/standing still in land battles also.
also, i dont think the tw series was ever a game for the general market.