Why not ATi?

I am noticed that majority of the people are trying to upgrade to the 8600M GT from nvidia, however, I haven't seen or heard much about ATi Card like the ATi 3650, which I read on ebay is MXMII, is there are particular reason?

 

Mack1982 it may work for some? Most cards are not MXM so is still not an option for most. But for those it might be an option nice info.

 

i like ati better, ive herd alot of bad things about nvidia this year, especially about the 8600m.

 

ATI graphics cards run a bit hotter, which is a consideration in laptops, but otherwise, no real reason (other than it being hard to find).

 

Mostly because they are so rare. I would like a top end ATI based laptop, but i've been pretty much unlucky in trying to find one. (especially one that might even support crossfire)

Plus there is the heat generation issue, but you would think that could be counter acted pretty easily between manufactureer and aftermarket cooling

 

Same here. Besides, nVidia now is on trail because they carried on selling faulty chips.

I've read somewhere that nVidia are better with OpenGL, and Ati are better for DirectX.

 

What about the OCZ whitebook? It scores very nicely on 3Dmark (14K zone)

 

Actually its quite the opposite, the current ATI cards are 55nm where as the Nvidia cards are 65nm. Which means the ATI cards are more power efficient and runs cooler, although they might not be as fast.

That just depends on cards, you are not going to be doing much OpenGL stuff with a Geforce or Radeon card anyway.

 

Honestly, because i've never seen a whitebook (apart from the DIY model and it used nvidia cards)

Any recommended place to check them out?

 

Up to rescently, most CAD and 3D applications used to rely on OpenGL. But I think lately they have been moving to DirectX, such is the case for AutoCAD.

For laptops it's abit hard to say due to the lack of benchmarks but I think ATI pproducts right now are better and fault free. Ati integrated solutions rock.

In the world of desktops ATI is the best value for money, and the fastest (i.e.HD4670, and HD4650).

 

MXM is purely situational, meaning that its based on the manufacturer of the notebook and not the brand of the GPU. As for not choosing ATi over nvidia, at this time ATi is behind nvidia performance wise so that makes it less of a choice. Hopefully with the 4000 series they will close the gap and possibly beat out nvidia to bring back some competition.

 

On the whitebook OCZ like all typical ATI products great 3DMARK06 scores but bad game performance, which is really dissapointing.I have been reading and listening to all the hype about this laptop but someone did CRYSIS benchmarks on it and it had bad scores.****!
Maybe it was a driver issue but I am a little worried that this is all flash and no fire.I hope someone with a official review can post better numbers.
Sorry to get off the subject.

 

I don't believe in synthetic benchmarks, I also don't believe in using crysis as any type of benchmark either. Granted there is a gap in performance between ATi and nvidia, but there are benefits to using ATi over nvidia (e.g. heat and power usage).

 

i dont like nvidia because of there driver
and btw ATI is dominating the market
but still they dont have the new graphic card on the market
well the ati hd3650 sucks big time because it working with max 128 mb bus speed.

hint never buy less then 256 mb busspeed otherwise it is ****ty card and it cant run a decent game

for example the 8600gt got 128 8700gt also 128 HD3650 also 128
but there is 1 laptop in the market that i found that ati got
and thats from MSI they have there the ati HD3850 and thats the best that i found from ati atm in the market the laptop is the MSI GT735
this laptop is cheap and better then mine laptop that is working on sli 8600GT

 

Killernotebooks got the first sample and has been testing it.

Benchmarks - http://guruofgaming.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2294
General Discussion - http://guruofgaming.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2202&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Hope it helps!

 

wow...

Unfortunatly i'm still perfectly happy with my gateway 6860 right now, but i'm looking to get a new notebook about the time of Nehelam's die shrink (or soon there after) and if Killer notebooks still does that kind of case mod work and offer ATI cards i do believe i know where i'm going for the next Bat Wave (with custom aluminum and carbon fibre batman symbol with yellow acrylic inlay) Those case mods are bloody amazing

 

crysis and crossfire don't mix...as in it only uses on card

 

- I don't know about the perfomance, but they do have a smaller 55nm process, which I believe, coupled with the defective 8600M GT, a preferred choice. I found some ATi cards selling on ebay. The only issue I see was that I don't see an Acer BIOS for ATi cards, I needed on to flash my C90 8600M GT card.

 

Just because it runs on a smaller process, doesn't mean its better/cooler. The desktop variants consume more power and run hotter than their 65nm nVidia counterparts. While there have been a higher than normal (where norm is extremely rare), rumours have pushed this nVidia thing way out of proportion. Majority of nVidia cards are fine. I personally haven't used ATI in a while (since ATI All-in-Wonder series) because they had crap drivers, nVidia is still a bit better in this respect. However, the newest 48xx series for ATI is an awesome card and if I were to get a desktop, I would definitely choose that over the 9800 GT/GTX+.

 

I heard that almost all 8400M and 8600M chips are defective.

 

Well not in notebooks but in desktops ATI's 4000-series cards are all the rage and giving Nvidia a run for their money.

 

Not true, some are more prone to failure from heat than others. That's why Dell released firmware to sped up the internal fans.

Nvidia runs on every Macbook Pro and Dell XPS series laptops, no widespread reports of failures.

 

Well last I checked, ATI cards are just rarer in laptops. I rarely find many ATI cards within laptops, but many Nvidia cards. This mostly explains that Nvidia currently is bigger in high end dedicated graphics cards compared to ATI.

But... apparently ATI's new HD 3200 (and possibly HD3450) GPU is interesting so maybe they'll get a better breakthrough in the lower-end/integrated GPU market (considering Intel IGPs suck ).