Why so much disrespect for mobile gaming rigs?

I find many people are quite prejudiced against mobile parts, for example, i was talking to some friends one day and they asked me what CPU i had, i said i7-3610qm, and they immediately assmed its crap and slow since its mobile. they dont even bother to look at some benchmark settings and find out its better than the i5-3570K or the i7-2600s. is there a reason for this kind of prejudice? or just because they are unfamiliar with laptop components and judge it by its size and assume it has to be weak? maybe 10 years ago it was true, but i dont think its necessarily true today.

 

I'm currently using an Alienware m18xr2 with an i7-3920xm cpu, and dual 680gtx's in it. It can't compete with a maxxed out desktop, but it's definitely in the ballpark. I'm willing to trade a bit of performance, with the ease of portability my laptop offers me. It's great to unplug it, stick it in my backpack, and my damn powerful gaming rig is ready to roll. That quick n easy.

It's pretty much just yet another case of people just needing something to complain about. Your xbox sucks; your ps3 sucks, your pc sucks, your laptop sucks, your football team sucks, you car sucks.....I heard your sister sucks.... ;^)

Human nature...

Screw 'em. Buy what you like and enjoy, and bend over to give the whiners a place to kiss.

 

They are just stupid Actually... it's true
Many people say that buying a gaming laptop is stupid and useless because it is expensive and weaker while if you buy very good gaming laptop then it will be VERY expensive and such a brick that it has no advantages like portability.

I'd like to look at them when they have no place in room or when they are taking all their stuff to another apartment or my best part... when they are trying to figure out why the h@ck their PC doesn't work or lags because there is SO MUCH possible reasons

I just know that the best way acting in such situations is just saying "Whatever"

I'm saying that at home it is good to have all kinds of PCs like 1 Desktop, couple laptops, 1-2 tablets, smart phones, and even reader. But some people has so narrowed brain that they believe that only thing their cut imagination can produce is the best in the Universe no matter what.

So long post... I guess I'm busted that I also have such "friends" and familiars LOL

 

It's just old misconceptions refusing to die.

Most people associate laptops as being portable machines where you can get some work done when away from a power socket. Few years ago, we didn't have switchable graphics for gaming laptops. You were stuck with massive 17" notebooks that got about 45 minutes of battery. Today that is not the case.

It's also about cost. Before to keep up with desktops you needed a CFX/SLI system and those cost $3000-5000. Which I would agree with desktop gamers, stupid.

So I guess I would agree and disagree. I still think 17" SLI machines are stupid. They defeat the point of having a laptop. I would agree that 15" and lightweight 17" gaming laptops are now affordable, powerful and plenty deserving of respect as gaming laptops. 17" SLI, no they are just too dumb for me to accept, both cost, power requirements (sometimes two bricks) and size etc.

I used to have a 17" machine that was heavy and large, and now thinking about it, it was pretty dumb. Just too big, too heavy. But I wouldn't mind taking a look at one of those sleek machines from Samsung.

 

yeah thats why i went for 150em, its just withint the boundary of what i can handle to carry around everyday, and it churns out a very accpetable level of gaming. also very upgradeable and easily maintained

 

Weight has never been an issue for me, I do a lot of gaming with friends (LAN parties!!!), and even when I was in the same area, carting my Crossfired overclocked monster (55LB) desktop with keyboard, mouse, 24 inch monitor, power cables, video cables, power strip, and all that was just a headache. When I switched to laptop gaming, I have no concern with battery life - only power. It is a portable desktop. Close lid, insert into backpack. place mouse and power brick into backpack, arrive at destination, remove 3 items from backpack, apply power, connect mouse, open lid. No worries about taking up 3-4 power outlets, built in wireless so no hunting for a 30 foot ethernet cable, etc etc.

Nowadays a laptop is a must, since I live 800 miles from home, when I go visit I just toss my laptop in the car and I can game with the best of them. I mean, you could take my buddies approach and have 6 gaming desktops set up and ready to power on at any time at his house... And with an AMD A10 APU, I can game even on battery for a few hours, turn on my 7970M for an hour, or plug in and unleash the beast and game all night. Or I can sit in my living room for 5+ hours and browse the web and goof off. Or lay in bed and watch a movie for a few hours.

Will I ever get a gaming desktop again? Absolutely! I just don't have the money for a stationary powerhouse at the moment. But $1200, for a beastly quad core A10/7970M laptop was right in that "I can afford this" and "mother of God santa is real" sweet spot.

 

Gaming while at work......

.....wins.

 

I have no respect for monstrous 17-18 inch gaming laptops.

 

It's a matter of need vs want and price vs performance.

A lot of people dont need the laptop to game, its just a desire. A few people like those that travel a lot for work and don't come home every day to a desktop system can really justify a "need" for a mobile gaming laptop.
Then when you get into the issue of price vs performance where the desktop always wins hands down (and is generally easier to upgrade or overclock) those same people can also justify the higher cost due to it filling a need.

Somebody willing to drop $3000 on a 17" gaming laptop and then comes home to a $600 desktop system could have been a lot smarter to get a $600 laptop for school, work, facebook, etc and then had a $2000 desktop. Not only would it out perform the $3000 laptop they would have saved money that they can put into games, accessories, or upgrades.

Most people bashing are probably not breaking it down into a comparison like I am, they are simply thinking about max power and thinking that a maxed out laptop cant beat a maxed out desktop. While true and all the counter point to that is who needs a system that is so high end as long as it plays your games and at settings you like, then thats all that matters.

My other +1 to desktops is multi-monitor gaming, that is indeed something totally different than a laptop can produce and makes desktop gaming have a uniqe edge. There are a few laptops that have the ability now, but not the hardware to really push it.

The +1 to laptops is simply mobility. Even if your not away from home for a week at a time for work, there could be an occasion where your out for an hour and can kill time gaming if you want. If your into LAN's and stuff then I would much prefer to have a gaming laptop to do that than pack around a desktop.

 

i personally dont have a desktop, just the laptop, weighing just over 4kg with the power supply, which is my upper limit. I game everywhere, both at home and school where i spent like half of my time, so a desktop doesnt make too much sense

 

I have an m18x r2. I'm a heavy gamer and full time worker and student. My laptop is used for maxing out all the games out there with high frames. It's used for school, to do research papers, ect and study in the library. It's used at work for payrolls, scheduling, and hiring paper work.. Goes to all these places and is the perfect all in one. Can your desk top do that?

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Don't most folks need a laptop for school or work? Although various jobs have provided a desktop to use, I still need a laptop for working at home or when traveling. Come to think of it, been using laptops for more than a decade but I've never purchased a desktop in my life.

I think there is a lot you can do with your smartphone these days, particularly email, but some tasks are simply much more convenient with a laptop.

And if you are going to buy a laptop anyways, why not spend at least few hundred dollars more than the bottom of the barrel netbook and get something that will last a few years and can run games as well? It's cheaper than forking out extra cash for a separate console that will only run games at 720p, and it's better than a gaming desktop because you can use it for work or school projects anywhere you go.

 

Says the person that posted from his Cell Phone lol, guess you didn't want to break that 18" monster out to make a post or browse the forums.

Point of the matter is almost any laptop can do any of those tasks other than super heavy gaming, but as a Father, Full Time Worker, Gamer, Etc myself I find that I can easily save heavy gaming for home (where it is much more enjoyable) and no need to be burdened with a over priced over sized laptop for everything else.

But where it really hits home for me is the value, a M18X is just going to be ridiculous in cost for a high end setup, the desktop will beat the performance so easily for half the cost and you can still have a really good gaming laptop for on the go.

To me it sounds like your just trying to justify your purchase, but really didnt give any hard facts on why you need it or why its worth it.

But if you really want an honest answer to what sounded to me a superiority complex statement of a question I do a lot of things on my desktop that my laptop nor yours would be able to do.

I do a live show every week and it requires a lot of equipment and connections that the laptop would not be able to furnish and it would be a major pain to connect and setup everything every time I need it.



I need all 3 monitors I have on the desktop, and I do work that uses 2 monitors every single day (if your doing a lot of work you should make note that a 2nd monitor increases productivity by as much as 60%)
I have my soundboard, 2 sound cards, 8 Hard Drives, 2 Video Cards, and a lot of other things that the laptop wouldn't give me that I need for my work.

Things I need, maxxing out a game with 120fps is more of a want not a need. Playing on Medium settings at 50fps is more than fine for gaming on the go. (IMO)

 

IMO, people complain about price too much when they compare desktops & laptops.

If you've got an hour to spend on the phone with a company, like Alienware for example, you can save up to $1,000 or more. So in the end, it can either be equivalent in price to what you would get in a desktop (price vs performance), or less. But if we're talking about only comparing website configurations without any deals, then yes, mobile gaming rigs are usually more money because the hardware is smaller and portable - it's more difficult to build a gaming laptop than it is to build your average gaming desktop (in general, assuming you don't add cryo-stage cooling systems, seeing ice on your CPU/GPU) - that's some intense sh*t.

I've always preferred mobile gaming. I've actually never owned an expensive gaming computer before, desktop or laptop, so perhaps my perspective isn't accurate. But I've grown up using desktops and only until recently did I switch to laptops (4-5 years ago or so). In the end, most of us need both. There are applications that require a desktop for the performance (w/ multiple monitors), usually at a lower price. And then there are those of us who need something on the go. So far I don't regret purchasing an M18x, however, it isn't easily portable by any means (at least not as much as I'd like it to be). But it is a lot more portable than a desktop rig, and I can pretty much out perform just about anyone wherever I go.

People complain about mobile gaming rigs because they've either never owned one, or read reviews about people complaining about them, so they assume they're bad. Or they're jealous. Or they're simply idiots arguing something just to argue (as someone said above). I just agree with these people to disagree. Then I start up a game like BF3 and they're like, "wow!", and watch me play...

 

Find better, open-minded friends

 

Oh ok, guess I can't use my phone anymore, guess I have to use my laptop for everything. You just owned yourself with stupidity. Why would you need anything more then a phone to browse a forum or post something? I can hook up multiple monitors to my computer too. It's an all in one powerhouse. I'd rather have a powerful system that can do it all and come everywhere with me then a 100 ton box that just sits there and can't go with you anywhere. I need my laptop, I want my laptop, and I have the money for my laptop. Don't need to justify my anything to you.

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I have both a 17 and an 18 inch laptop so I'm not biased against them in the least............what I am however is intellectually honest enough to admit that from a cost vs performance standpoint the desktop destroys the laptop.

And my desktop doesn't have to do all of that, I have laptops for those traveling requirements. Attacking another poster because you disagree with what he says only makes you look childish.

 

Aww hit a nerve eh?

Unfortunately friend this is a forum, a place to share information. We have 2 kinds of information.

Facts & Opinions.

And Opinions carry no weight without justification, so if you care not to justify your opinion its worthless.

I was simply poking fun at your comment "The perfect all in one" aka it encompasses everything and that would include using the forums, as I use my laptop every day for that. But yet you posted from your phone.

Its this thing we call irony, and it goes hand in hand with this thing I have called a sense of humor.

As you can see I have a gaming laptop, so I see a reason in having one. So I am not just bashing something because I don't know about it or never experienced it I speak from experience.

BTW no, your laptop is not an all in one, I already told you a few things I personally use my desktop for that a laptop cant do so get off the high horse already and try not to hurt yourself on the way down.

Next time you would be better off explaining why its all in one for your needs and not make it a comparison or an aggressive statement by saying something like "can your desktop do that" because you were just asking for somebody like me to answer.

 

I'm not really sure I'd be willing to call an Asus or an MSI a "gaming computer" Marine.........just sayin' hahaha

 

I don't understand what all the fuss is about, you buy what you need or want.

I bought a gaming laptop because of traveling weeks or months at a time, now that things have settled down I'll be going back to desktop gaming as soon as my sager can't hack it anymore.

People that doesn't appreciate the benefits of a gaming laptop just didn't have the need for it so they tend to compare the price on performance per dollar.





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I had 4 desktop computers since 1998. First was an Acer with a Pent. 3. Second was a Delll XPS (1998) which I customized through Dell's website with its latest GPU and CPU. The 3rd and 4th were built customized with still the latest GPU at that time (a Radeon 4000? ..and a GTS 8800). 2004-2011.

Then I bought my ASUS G73SW 'cause my condominium got flooded and I needed something portable were I could still play my PC games. Right there and then I realized that at 2011 this ASUS was capable, really capable. The first game I played in my ASUS was Fallout New Vegas. The game detected my GPU and says that my default gfx setting would be, "Ultra High". This is with stock clocks.


I realized how neat it is having a gaming laptop (no bulky tower and a mess of cords and wires). I work in Aviation not with the computer industry, so I don't like collecting or stocking too many PCs'. Besides I already have a big mess of stuffs with my lead guitar, multiple effects processor, amplifier and softwares when I record guitar tracks, bass tracks and drum tracks.

Now with the M17XR4 with the 680M, I trully don't need a desktop.. And Price-wise it's not bad at all for a typical working individual.

And in my personal opinion and experience over the yrs., I will never have a desktop comp. again, 'cause I don't like them anymore (personal preference).

 

Thank you!

This thread is officially over.. the only "problem" is that people have old misconceptions of what a mobile workstation or gaming machine is.

 

Where and who did I attack in that post? Please tell me. I feel like I said what I used my laptop for and why I wanted it. It wasn't even directed at anyone, so please.. Point where? After that then I got attacked

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It's an all in one is relative to the person using it. To me, it is my all in one. It's all I need. I don't do anything that it can't do. Not everyone needs 60 screens.

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Now I admit I'm not an English Lit major and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but calling someone stupid (no matter how you word it that's what you did there) would pretty clearly be considered an attack by most folks with common sense. The post you were replying to was an obviously humorous post with an ironic bent to it, you apparently took it personally and responded in the manner in which you did.

No matter how you view it, bragging about your awesome laptop and how it's all you need from a cell phone is funny as hell and that was what the other guy was pointing out.

 

I love it when people say that their monstrous gaming laptop is easy to take with them everywhere. I couldn't imagine how much of a PITA it would be to lug an 18" gaming laptop with me everywhere, my god. A friend of mine has an M18x-r2, so I know what you are dealing with.

 

It is ignorance, and misconcpetion.

Mobile parts have gained significant performance improvements in just the last few years. My GTX 680m with i7-3610QM is about 50% faster than than my desktop i5-2550 and GTX 460, which is only about two years old.

 

It's about as bad as carrying a suitcase for work, not a big deal IMO, especially if its necessary. Or if you have a backpack, you could use that.

 

I love how anyone complains about carrying any "big" laptop around with them (apparently, the feeling I see sometimes in WNBSIB is 15.6" is the new 17.3"...lol).

Anyway, I wish I had bought a cheaper laptop and placed my money on a desktop. Only reason I bought and nearly maxed my W520 is because I thought that I wouldn't build a desktop while in college, and now I have a freaking desktop (cheap one, but it plays my games well). Oh well, another life lesson learned

But if I was into LAN parties and the like, gaming laptops all the way. I still think that Alienwares look silly though. Would rather have a Clevo.

 

Don't go through life worrying about what others think. Do whats best for you and surround yourself with people who like the the person you are. Not your material possessions, looks, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs.

 

As to carrying around a 18 inch laptop, it's not that big of a problem but is dependent on how much you're willing to tolerate as far as weight goes. I carried my HDX18 + power brick and 1 or 2 school books in a bag while I was taking college classes for year without problem, and the HDX with battery in it is about 10 pounds. When I got it I wanted a computer that could get everything I did on a normal basis done without having to worry about what file was where, included light gaming (which I was new to admittedly ). It actually irks me when I see people complain about weight but I don't really say anything because it causes problems with people complaining endlessly. The only problems I've come across with using it out and about is trying to use it in coach on airplanes and its short battery life (which is a given).

 

I don't think the majority of consumers really need both. Unless you are doing some hardcore video editing, or need to run games higher than 1080p resolution, etc., I don't see much need for a desktop.

In my case, I travel frequently and need something relatively thin and light. That extra inch of thickness and those extra 5 lbs of weight can become annoying after a while. That's about double the thickness and weight of my hp envy. Used to have a huge, bulky laptop back when that was about the average size and eventually I broke down and started using one of those roly suitcase things to cart it around.

 

Deskops is kind of LEGO constructor for slightly older children Next step is a car (and it must be a russian or ukrainian one... or former USSR one otherwise it won't be so interesting ). If you know what I mean LOL

P.S. Someone also puts a bike in the list or other hobby.

 

Because the desktop morons think you need GTX 680 in SLI to play games in 1080p.

 

I bought my 17 Sammy because I like to game sitting on the couch with a lap desk, so I'm not cobbled away in some dungeon so my wife can talk to me. I actually get more gaming in this way than I would ever get in otherwise. Plus it takes up a minimal amount of space for a perfectly powerful solution. Perfect for me, I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it.

 

It's true that mobile hardware has made leaps and bounds. However, expecting a mobile ivy bridge i7 to out-perform a desktop i5 or i7 is actually incorrect.

A desktop i5 or i7 will be overclocked on top of its stock clock speed advantage. Comparing a mobile 3610qm running at 2.3GHz (non-turbo) to an overclocked 2600K running at 4.5GHz on all four cores is not even close to fair for the mobile chip.

While the hardware is nearly exactly the same between mobile and desktop processors within generations, the cooling is vastly superior for the desktop. This means the desktop parts will have higher clocks and thus higher performance.

Comparing an i5 3570K to a 3610qm is a dirty trick... benchmarking something that uses hyperthreading may very well allow the stock chips to compete... but let's face it... no one runs a 3570K at stock and most games gain nothing from hyperthreading. The moderately-OC'd desktop 3570K will outrun the 3610qm in gaming every day of the week.


That being said, mobile parts really are quite potent. Confortably gaming at 1080p is quite realistic for moderately-priced laptops. Even lower-end laptops that focus more on mobility can handle 720p very easily.

Don't get me started on the whole "too heavy" thing. Anything under 10lbs is more than mobile enough for anyone not physically handicapped.
(The 12-13 lb SLI laptops are designed for a small portion of the consumer base who really need or really want that much power everywhere.)

The people complaining about "lugging" around 7-8lb laptops are just being silly. Lap-cooking 4lb laptops are all the rage, but I'd rather have a 7lb one that stays cool.

The good news is that the lap-cookers (guys) have a good chance to darwin themselves out of the gene pool.
Nothing to see here people... natural selection at work!

 

what i meant was comparing at stock, because the 3610qm cannot overclock, thus would not be a fair comparison.

 

I find my 4.3ghz 3940XM to just about do me But a well cooled 3610qm will spend most of it's time at 3.1ghz when needed and this is quite frankly enough for most tasks, it's the graphics you need to look at and my 680M is on par with a desktop 670.

An overclocked 680MX would be on par with a factory overclocked 680 desktop when overclocked.

 

You`ll have to prove it when that time comes

 

Same chip, same clocks, not too hard to guess =)

 

might have to overvolt it though

 

However, the topic is why the desktop people disrespect mobile hardware.

The fact of the matter is, the desktop processor can and will outperform the mobile version.

The point of which is simple... Mobile processors are indeed quite potent, but the one you listed in particular is not faster than the desktop processors you listed in practical usage.

As Meaker mentioned, a well-cooled 3610qm running at max turbo for quad-core operation will be at 3.1GHz. Run-of-the-mill K-series desktop processors with mediocre cooling will be at well over 4GHz. You cannot overclock the 3610qm. Real-world victory goes to the desktop processor.

The mobile processors are not that far behind and definitely game worthy, however.

As Meaker mentioned, the GPU is the largest contributor... but those are ALSO usually underclocked. (not to be confused with meaker, who runs his 680m at warp speed)

I just didn't want the thread to leave reality here. Mobile processors are really good... they just have limitations in power, space and thus cooling. In the end this means lower clocks which means lower performance. It isn't so much performance lost that it makes them unplayable, but it is actually a step slower.

Let's just keep it real.

 

Perhaps one day soon it will be the other way around. What if in ten years desktops are no longer wanted, or needed for that matter? I see a future of ease, readiness, and luxury as long as we maintain financial security - people will be on the move more so than now. Perhaps desktops will become a burden more so than mobile computing, and it will flip-flop making high-performance laptops cheaper and cheaper. My grandparents always talk about how back in the day automatic transmissions were more expensive and had a lot of issues, so no one used them unless you were rich. Now days manual transmissions are rare and actually more money depending on the vehicle. This is similar to how Alienware's are now - overpriced and targeting the more fortunate of us, or those who are just willing to fork over the money (like me :hi2 . It may turn around, but who knows...I could be wrong.

Either way, I don't think mobile computers should be disrespected at all. It's about our needs & wants more so than performance vs price, at least in my opinion it is. Average people don't even worry about this stuff, they just buy whatever will get the job done. But gamers will spend thousands on a computer for the performance, so it boils down to the target audience.

 

The GTX 680M is actually on par with the GTX 660.

Oh really? So people are getting the 50%+ overclocks on the GTX 680MX that would bring them inline with a standard stock clocked desktop GTX 680? Because as it stands, the GTX 680MX performs almost as good as a GTX 660 Ti, which can also be overclocked, and probably a lot more than the GTX 680MX can.

 

I don't believe the 680MX will ever be in a mobile gaming rig. I believe at least one of the 700 series GPU's is going to be based off the 680MX's capabilities and they'll skip right to that generation.

 

LOL 50% overclock would mean it would beat GTX 680 by 10%+.

Meaker got his 680M up to 1100MHz+. GTX 680 runs @ 1058MHz.
Memory on the 680 runs @ 1500MHz. Meaker got his 680M up to 1250MHz-ish. That is going to be a problem imo.

You hear that Meaker. You got a task in front of you

 

Somewhat like that. I still think the 780m will be similar to the 680MX but likely within the 100W TDP. I am curious to see what Maxwell has to offer. I realized, short of an accident, I will have no reason to upgrade my laptop until Maxwell and Intel Broadwell. Although if Broadwell is truly going to be all BGA, I may opt for Haswell, the last socketed Intel CPU, apparently.

 

Somewhat like that.. don't forget the core does much more than the memory, but the memory is strong.

OC memory is tough business though lul

 

while i OC, i dont go crazy with it, happy with a 15% OC as long as temperature is fine

 

The memory on the 680MX is full voltage, since the 680 has such a strong memory controller (arguably stronger than the 7870) then there is no reason why it wont reach the same region of 1500-1600mhz as the 7970M.

We would be looking at final game stable clocks of around 1100/1550 which would be a factory overclocked 680 desktop. No ifs, no buts.