Why the British are not overpowered in opposing fronts company of heoes.

I will go through a through explanation about why they are balanced.-

First I will start with various components of the British army. While some components of this army may seem to be overpowered there are several things that prevent this from occurring. For one thing although slit trenches are almost impossible to defeat, they are unable to stop a tank from rolling past. These same trenches also take up resources that are needed to prevent these same tanks from overrunning the British's base with the production of anti-tank guns. Even when the British go completely anti-tank, they will be unable to win because they will not be able to go offensively, and eventually the British will have to either destroy some of these emplacements or risk being eventually over run. With the ability to build multiple artillery emplacements, and also a few priest mobile artillery devices these also have a weakness. If you build too many of these emplacements for one thing you will not have enough anti-tank, and second it takes a while for them to recharge and if you are not careful you can easily waste a barrage. Now if you are even able to find a balance between anti tank, artillery, and building tanks for offensive operations you are still vulnerable because of not knowing what the enemy is doing. For example if the enemy is panzer elite is secretly building an army of tanks, and you do not have enough anti tank they will break through and easily wipe out the artillery and the British base. A second example is that the panzer elite could easily go on the defensive easier than the British while still using offensive tanks to push forward, you can send hetzer tanks and a couple of panther tanks to push the British back then send your marder 3 tanks lock them down, and they can easily defend the area. This would eventually cause the demise of the British by limiting their resources.

Second I will talk about why the British are not overpowered in the beginning of a match with their slit trenches. Before i talked how they were obsolete once tanks are in production, but now i will discuss how they can be countered in the beginning of a match by the PE. First as PE you send the kettenkrad up and capture a far away resource point and send all infantry to the close points quickly build scout cars and then send them to farther points and toward the kettenkrad. while the trenches are hard to defeat early on the British can't build them when they are being mowed down by a scout car machine gun. After the scout car the Armour cars can be used to defend these resource points along with infantry and eventually marder tanks can be used to defend theses points. with the limited amount of resources the British will have, it eliminates all chance of British advance and a weakened defense/ artillery line. with this simple strategy you can easily prevent the over powering of trenches and completely reduce the strength of the British. while the British may seem powerful in a 1 v1 match a Panzer elite will almost always win. This is due to the fact the British alone can not actively be offensive and defensive. they must choose a side and each side will reduce their ability to win. The only usefulness for British is in a 2 v 2 match, and they are used as support.

Anyone wish to debate with me so I can get excited about finally being able to play this game again on my new laptop? .

Sorry for any grammar issues- fixing them as I see them.

 

Your theory seems quite sound, i also only use the british as a secondry unit, when i play two vs two or higher having a british unit is very helpful more helpful than having a team of two or three americans, the british are fantastic as a support unit.
I havent played using the germans yet as theres still quite a few maps i get destroyed in using allies, namely some of the three vs three maps that dont have bridges. I dont play online anymore and when my mate and i lan up we usually add one expert to our team and play against three expert germans NPC, they generally spam out tanks and we cant seem to hold our resource points. Frustrating but still a heap of fun.

 

Just got coh:gold edition from steam half off sale last weekend. I gotta say the learning curve for this game is kinda tough although now I get the basics. Played 2vs2 on the map that has bridges through mid island as Brits. I like how Brits r very powerful with arties.

 

yep panzer eilite are especially effective with maps that have bridges all you need is two marder tanks and a hetzertanks for support. one time i was going against an american who sent 6 tank destroyers and 5 shermans all at once at one bridge. Needless to say every one of his tanks was destroyed with barely a scratch on my marders .

 

Yeap its a fantastic game, each unit has its strengths and weaknesses, its just a matter of patience and perserverance and some epic games are to be had, its my favorite RTS by far, i love how you can be nearly destroyed, but then plug afew resource points and build up to win the match. PE are a lot like the brits in my eyes a very good supporting unit.

 

lunaandbela, you keep forgeting that the british has:

Heavy Churchill tanks with, either with a 280mm mortar, a regular churchill, and or a crocadile.(Unlike the sherman croc, this british croc gets to keep its main gun, and has heavy armor thus effectively making a main battle tank and infantry killer in one.In the engineer tree tanks can dig in, making an already hard tank harder to kill.

-Gliders, the british airborne Commando tree is probably the worst of it all.The british can land gliders with commandos anywhere on the battlefield.Oh, lets not forget the tank glider, allowing to land a tank anywhere when they are losing.

-Artillery, Creeping barrage special abilities, decoy smoke, mobile artillery.

And the best part about the british, their buildings are mobile as well.This means even if you do break through the british defences, they can just pack up, move, and go hide somewhere and establish a new base.

Now, stock british(without support tree) get stuart light tanks, Cromwells, and British Fireflies.Their artillery and AA Guns also have an entrenched barrier around them while the other factions are stuck out in open.

Look at the Panzer Elite:

You say they they could be building an army of tanks.You forget to mention that the PE uses an obsolete version of the Panzer VI, with a short barrel high explosive gun that can't penetrate worth a damn.

Marders, yea they can kill a few tanks but remember that as a ''tank destroyer'' they have like no armor what so ever, so once the enemy sees you say ''bye bye'' to the marders.They also dont have a turret like the American M10 tank destroyer, so they can't manuver around evading the enemy tank's turret.

The support tanks, they cost way too many support points(5 pts) for what they do.I had a Jagdpanther taken out by a cromwell hitting its frontal armor!It takes 3 hits to kill a stuart, which a Jagdpanther should abosutly obliterate with a single shot.Because this monster cost so damn many support points, you have to wait and hold off forever against Churchills and Fireflies.

You also say that the british can't build trenches if a scout car is shooting at them, well all the british have to do is launch a grenade or two or use the Bren guns and that scout car will die pretty quick.Also the scout car's machine gun offers no sepressive capability.

The Panzer Elite also get mobile artillery, but has a very slow reload time, making it pretty much worthless in a real battle.British M7 Priest gets to fire right after they load the shell.

Dont even try playing against the british on a bridge/choke point map....

Whew.....I need a break.

 

Marter tanks once locked down easily rotate. it is impossible to break through a bridge with 2 mater tanks and a hetzer tank covering it. enough said. while the Pe have weak units by themselves. if you spam hetzer tanks, armor cars, and panther tanks. they are nearly impossible to stop. with the tank glider the tank can almost be one shot by a panther tank. With commandos all you gotta do is set up a few machine gunners and back them by other infantry. All british tanks are weak compared to PE. the hetzer tank is incredibly fast and agile and it packs a nice cannon. Artillery alone is more of a support unit, just like it is in real war. with the bunkered artillary and bunkered tanks all you gotta do is flank um and they are dead meat. Lastly with the packing up and moving for one it takes a long time to pack up, two the trucks drive real slow, third it takes another 3 minutes to set up the base again. If you really want to go against me british vs PE ill show you why the british are balanced. just let me install
COH on my new laptop .

 

This all bull$hit.You forget the british gets fantastic artillery, so all the british have to do is bombard the other side of river to bits.I once had an arty shell land right in between the crew of my marder landing right on the breach, it was beautiful yet sad.

Also you are forgeting the Sherman Firefly, this thing has a very tough armor, and the fantastic 17 pounder.Coupled with dig in ability of the engineer support tree, it makes it almost untouchable, and make short work of Hetzer.Plus, the Firefly is a stock tank so you dont even need to get a special support tree to get it.

The hetzer is a support option, so you have to get a specific tree to even think about getting the hetzer.

Oh, and unlike the british, for the PE anything but the Tank destroyer command tree sucks a$$ anyway. lol

And when you challenge someone, do it right.Of course you want to play the british side, I quote:

''If you really want to go against me british vs PE ill show you why the british are balanced.''

You want to play british side because you know the PE sucks, if really wanted to prove a point you would've wanted me to play british and you to play PE to prove the PE doesn't suck.That pretty much proves you're full of it right there. lol

 

I hate using the brits haha. I just suck at building lots and lots of defenses. I guess you could say I'm more of a offensive guy...

 

I meant that you be british of course . i'd rather be PE anyday .

 

With heavy tanks, Glider commandos and Glider Tanks, rifle grenades, and a movable base, how more offensive can you get. The Movable base was the worst, you could all of a sudden have a Cromwell pop up and kill you from anywhere....only to discover the british moved their base behind some trees.Especailly on large maps, the british could hide their base anywhere.

 

well if you think the british are so over powered then i guess you are asking for a challenge against me? once i figure out how to update my grpahic card drivers ill install coh ok?

 

Sweet save the match and give me the save file please i may be able to pick up afew tips from you both.
Whats your new machine lunaandbella?

 

msi 1651 aka power pro 15;2 with 160m graphics card. having trouble updating drivers.

 

sure......

By responses, I think I pretty raped the hell out of all of your arguments, after my last post you couldn't come back any counter because you know I'm right.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be an a$$hole here, I'm just making a point.No hard feelings.

Edit:I'll be happy to play against you.I actualy need to reinstall Opposing Fronts my self.My relic online account is the same as my username.

 

Try here http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
Then just select 100m series and your OS. Of course you have probably tried this but these have the latest offical drivers.
Goodluck and remember to save you match so i can take a look.

 

thanks. I finnally got it to work. i will install it after trying crysis for a little bit. but if you wanted we can tonight or just wait till tommorow. the only reason I didn't counter was because you just repeated points i had already countered earlier, but anyway we will put our talk to the test when we challenge each other. just let me play a few practice games with coh since it's been a while since i've played .

 

Let us know who wins

 

I don't really think the brittish or ANY of the COH armies are overpowered... they only grudge I have is that playing against the Brits is just plain annoying. Not to say that defeating the usual brit-arty/usa-ranger combo isn't impossible, is just that you need a lot of patience... which I dun wanna waste too much in a videogame. Not to mention that it simply hurts my feelings that the only thing the enemy knows to do is annoying you with artillery and sending masses or ranger squads to your base to their death, while you try to strategically cooperate with your teamate to send an army of tanks and infantry and maybe some rocket-thingies (I forgot their name) to their weakest front, and have the rocket barrage/V1 rocket ready for anything. Always try to obliterate the American base first, since the brits always spend all their points in Artillery emplacements and they are unable to defend themselves.... Oh well, compstomp all the way for me, I think.

 

Exactly Purlpo. Panzer got the game installed gonna play a few games for practice then we can play.

 

Ha!, what are you talking about?I had a rebuttal to every counter you had.Read over the thread I addressed all of comments.Don't even try and pull that.

Anyway, installing Opposing fronts now.I need a few practice games myself, I've been busy playing Men of War.I'm probably going to suck and lose anyway, but I never back down from a challenge.

EDIT: Damn, it's going to take a while to update this game....

 

after you guys are done, how about NBR forum COH matches?
it would be fun for whoever playing coh like myself although i'm a noob

 

Jeez, each patch is like 100 MB, take like 30 minutes to install, and the last patch is 1.4 GB.This is going to take awhile, and trying to download all the patches at the same time is really putting a strain on my connection.This was the only thing I hated about Company of Heroes, updating was tedious.

 

yeah I know lol. Yeah hwa we can most def play some nbr member coh matches. my name on coh is mpcunlimited. gonna play some practice games now.

 

I'm level 8 with every army and I'm sure that the British are Underpowered at the higher levels of gameplay.

No good mobile AT to speak of. And if you turtle...you lose...COH is a game about capturing territory. Mass schreks or mass stukas own brit defences every time. 'Nuff said.

 

I may change my mind about the british, looking at some of the release notes from the patches, they made alot changes in balance.They may have nurfed some of the british.I notice on some of the notes that Gliders can't land in enemy territoies anymore, and the Firefly reload time has been increased.Once I finally finish updating I'll have to check it out.

 

I think you may find that in a supporting role the brits are devastating but on a one vs one match they get owned, every one vs one match ive played with my mate has ended with him losing going as brits or vias versa when ive gone the brits......but we may just be bad at the game lol....still its going to make for a good match up you vs lunaandbella make sure one of you save the replay so i can take a look, what i wouls suggest is a two match game like i play with my mate, first you take the brits and him PE then switch roles......thats the fairest way to play this type of chellange.

 

haha i wonder who might win , im new to COH , got the last one its called tale of whatever ... its a nice game but i guess im still noob , i play allied side (american & british) ... gotta double train now after seeing the clash of fire and flame in this thread

 

One really good thing is if they save the replay they can give it to us and we can add it to our save files and view the entire match from anywhere we wish, fast forward look at it from either side, its really helpful for learning new techniques and strategies.

 

One word: DAMN

I just patched up and it's like a whole new game.Menus are cleaner, you can even customize your army.Not mention a $hitload of new skirmish maps.There really is alot in that 1.4 GB patch, I have to say I'm surprised.

Unfortunately I can't find my Original Company of Heroes CD-Key, so I was only able to install Opposing Fronts.Oh well, I'll just get Tales of Valor.

I played a skirmish game, my thoughts on ''new'' company of heroes after all the patches:

-Menus, definitly much cleaner and much easier to do things
-Better performance, I play on High settings and it was pretty much 60 fps the whole game.(except for a few shutters now and then)
-Definitly a worthy effort by relic for balance.I played british versus PE.I raped the AI, the PE's light vehicles were no match for my Churchills.I still think the british could use some work, the british shouldn't have a heavy class tank that early in the game.The AI did make good use of the AT-Halftrack, if you spam those you should be able to hold off the british.Overall though, much better.
-AI improvements, the AI is way smarter now.It knew when and where to hit me, for example there was only one territory that connected my base to my other territories....the AI did a great job of forcing attacks on that munitions point, killing my supply lines for nail bitting moments.

-Overall Relic, well done.

 

if you. want to do that match i'm ready

 

Can we do it tomorrow? I only have to get off in 10 minutes, but tomorrow I have all day so whenever you wanna play....

 

well i work all day until like 5 pm est. but anytime after that we can play . I want to practice some more anyway .

 

Sweet, the gauntlet has been layed down now we will wait with baited breath on the outcome....'who will win the epic encounter between the british and the P.E....only time will tell, stay tuned for updates as they unfold'

 

*eagerly awaiting news...*

 

leaving for work now but when i get back i'll let you know panzer. so the war or all wars will occur. . After the epic war everyone who has coh can play in a match.

 

I may just suck, and that may well be the case, but I just got raped as PE vs British in an Online match.

The British are still a bit overpowered, my marders and infantry helped but some how while I had barely enough resouces getting any vehicles out, the british were somehow spamming Churchills and fireflies at an unbelieveable rate.I destroy a Churchill, but then hear comes 2 more Churchills and a firefly.We were playing on standard resources, there's no way you have that many fireflies and churchill that early in the game.The dig-in ability sooo OP.All the british had to do was move their tanks to my a base and dig-in making almost impossible to destroy.That was just cheap Bull$hit.

The Churchill Croc has to loose it's main gun.The Churchill croc is way to overpowered, you get the flame thrower but still get to keep the main gun, destroying my base while burn my HQ at the same time.The Churchill Croc has to go.

 

Put up a replay after the match! I wanna learn tactics from it

 

just got home so would you like to start our battle panzer?

my name is mpcunlimited. join the channel amsterdam in chat, and ill add you as a friend. anyone else on NBR who wants to play in a match after our game also join the channel amsterdam and send me a friend request then ill invite you to the after party match .

 

Even a noob like me can play with u guys? Not 1v1, but like team match haha

 

I can't get on right now but feel free to add me (name in sig). I manage to win about 50% of my games. I generally stick to Brits and Americans though and never play as PE.

 

How do u add players to friends list? Because the only way I know is that the player u want to add need to be in the same channel or game?
Are there any other way to add that I do not know of?

 

The game crashed on me, thats why I left, lunaandbela.

(In case anyone is wondering, we finished the game, we were getting ready to a rematch when it crashed in the main menu)

I lost, nice job by lunaandbela spamming the hetzers.The panthers caught me by surprise, I tried winning without using the cheap british tactics but I couldnt do it.

Errors:
I should've built the 17 pounders and tanks, but I decided to stick with engineers, infantry, and bren carriers until the very end of the game when I say his panthers.(Cromwells were no match)

 

yeah sure hwa you can play too. i think you have to be in same channel. hey panzer it wouldn't let me end game without blowing up buildings, and i couldn't chat back. if you want to do restart we can.

 

hey i saved the replay for our first battle. but does anyone know how i can upload it and where do i do this?

 

Do you want to play the rematch now or later?

 

i will now if i can can be wermacht instead of PE cause i have been playing PE non stop since i reinstalled game and i want some variation lol

 

Ok, starting Opposing fronts now....

 

Replay is saved in mydocumemt/games/coh folder. So you should be able to find the replay file in that folder.

 

Sweet nice job guys, cant wait the see the reply please upload when you get a chance lunaandbela thx.